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There will not be a next time. You will do no such thing or make any requests to any members regardless.

* They are your opinions that YOU believe to be true, just because you say they are does not make it so. Sure, challenge people on what they say, but demand their silence because you don't agree with their point of view, that is a no no.

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So we get circular arguments. Lies. Truth. Lies. Truth. Round and round we go. Does anyone believe that’s genuinely helpful? Nomadking himself conceded that he was arguing with a point I wasn’t actually making.

I think if we’re all being honest here if I was in the other side of the Brexit debate or a Tory systematically dissecting the remain/Labour arguments nobody would bat an eye. However clearly some in the thread have taken to playing the man and not the ball.

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This is not open to debate, do as you are instructed.

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https://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/i...st-jc-1.493698

One has to wonder who is feeding the Jewish Chronicle such false information, and why?

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https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a9223846.html
What a low life party. All sponsored by Putin no doubt.

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Also..

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50624086

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I don't think you do need to wonder....

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Is there any evidence from the Jewish community about some Labour activists being hateful towards the Jewish people.


This article from:
https://www.thejc.com/news/world/bel...nesco-1.493790


really is over the top and is not funny in the slightest and should be banned. Question is who's horrible float is it.

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Who sponsors you for promoting nothing but utter rubbish?

Remember, which leader came to Putin’s defences when the Scruples were being poisoned on our streets and it wasn’t the Conservatives, is was the real low life party, lead by Corbyn. :rolleyes:

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https://twitter.com/russianembassy/s...270605312?s=21

Let’s remember who the Russians were backing in 2017.

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Clearly not the Tories, that looks like a typical Russian piss take.

It’s still irrelevant and does not alter the fact of Terrorist loving Corbyn, defending Russia and Putin, during the Salisbury poisonings.

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I don't think he was defending the Russians I think he simply wanted the investigation to proceed without jumping to conclusions. There's still more questions than answers to that case.

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What you think is immaterial, the fact is, there was strong evidence at the time that implicated it was Russia and Corbyn was dithering, demanding further various testing.

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Corbyn peddling fake Russian news. Who'd have thought it?

(BTW I linked the Sun but it's in most news outlets)

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The LibDems are promising to plant lots of trees. They'll need it to replace all those cut down for the volume of paperwork they've sent us both directly (addressed to both my wife and I and each of us individually) and unaddressed mail drops.

I think Labour and Tories have maybe one or two at most.

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I think we're confusing facts and opinions again.

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Yes you and only you. certainly are.

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Who’d have thought it, Russian interference that is an attempt to help Corbyn. Blows the crazy assumptions that the Russians want the Tories to win.

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The papers are either clearly civil service briefing for meetings or they aren't. If Russian sources are involved in providing them I fail to see the relevance. If they're genuine they are genuine. If not that should be easy to prove.

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The relevance is obvious. The papers are being used out of context to allow one side of the debate to advance a certain point of view (actually just a riff on the same threat they’ve been making for 40 years, and it hasn’t happened yet, but hey). The effect is destabilising and the potential gain for Russian foreign policy is also therefore obvious. They’re not interested in any one party having a strong grip on power. Their greatest benefit is in weak, unstable government, of the kind gifted us by the 2017 election.

To repeat, for the benefit of those who have been thoroughly brainwashed by 40 years of Labour claiming the Tories really, really, honestly definitely this time, on the brink of selling the NHS: these are briefing documents arising from exploratory talks designed to set out the UK position and discover the US position. So what if the US wants to buy the NHS, or increase its prices for selling goods and services to the NHS. Nothing anywhere in this material says the Tories are about to give it to them.

Except, as I keep saying, people will believe what they want to believe.

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Pat's latest "Last chance for Brexit" video...

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New Statesman editorial link here

They're pretty scathing about all the leaders and the state of UK politics.

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Meanwhile, the Jewish LABOUR Movement has said in a private (leaked) submission to the Equality and Human Rights Commission that it thinks the Labour Party is no longer a ‘safe space’ for Jewish people.

https://order-order.com/2019/12/05/r...mitism-labour/

Considering this anti semitism lark is all just a great big Tory smear, they have been surprisingly effective at getting Labour’s own traditional support base to sign up to it.

See also Labour activists opining that Corbyn is unfit for office ... when they’re presented with his anti Semitic opinions, but told it was Boris that said them:

https://order-order.com/2019/12/05/c...sm-said-boris/

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I've got the popcorn readyfor jfman's reply.:D

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My thoughts exactly.

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I was reading this earlier,it's all a bit disturbing.
https://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/j...ation-1.493993

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No, that was so sarcastic it came over as sincere. I absolutely don’t think that, but when Momentum/Labour’s anti semitism problem has come up in this discussion before it has been dismissed as a confected Tory non-story (the last major scandal, for example, was pooh poohed because the chief rabbi is apparently a massive Tory and therefore motivated not by concern for the entire British Jewish community that he has pastoral responsibility for, but his big mate Boris).

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With pleasure:

This was page one of this thread, but several people were so taken aback by the fairly outrageous comments about Israel, that the dismissal of the chief rabbi’s concerns for the entirety of the British Jewish community on the grounds of his friendship with Boris seems to have gone unremarked.

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Will he? Won't he?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50679252

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I am surprised how many have said they will vote Conservative.

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Probably not. And I doubt it will make any difference. Which will have been the calculation made by CCHQ.

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Why? Boris has pretty effectively portrayed himself as the only one who will draw a line under Brexit in England and Wales, and stand up to the YesNP in Scotland. Labour has its core vote plus a chunk of tactical Lib dems. In Scotland Labour looks like an ineffective coalition of metropolitan liberals pursuing their own ideological obsessions at the expense of the working class voters of the central belt they used to take for granted.

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I’m a addressed by name here about ten times. Having sat out the thread through a ban I’ll point out I’d love to reply but there’s a moderator instruction.

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If the replies tie in with the topic, sure you can reply.

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I'd need clarification from the moderators. It appears to me that criticising Labour is on topic, criticising the Conservatives (Islamophobia, Grenfell) is off topic. As I say I've been banned from the thread before, yet I don't see any action against anyone on the other side for ignoring instructions to move on, even though many address me directly.

I suppose we only have another week of the forum being used to push the Conservative party agenda and we can get back to the Brexit thread.

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Hang on are you accusing me of anti-Semitic? If so I'd suggest that's quite improper in the absence of any evidence at all.

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Excuse me, but all the above is pure bullshit. There has been plenty of critical points put forward on Tories, unchallenged by the team, no team member has told anyone they cannot be critical of any particular party.

You have not been banned for your highly critical points on the Tory party. So don’t you dare make up ridiculous assertions and accusations. I/we the team, couldn’t careless who you vote for, which party, you wish to slate, what I do care about is your attitude towards other members, how you speak to them, you referred to one member, to like having a lower paid job, belittling them. That is a no no. You suggested to another member, you were far more experienced than they were on economics, because in “your” mind, their arguments were flawed.

So this business or game, you appear to be playing now, seeking clarification, you damn well know what you’ve been told to stop doing and it certainly isn’t what you’ve ascertained above.

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