Originally Posted by Maggy (Post 36018707)

https://www.theguardian.com/society/...CMP=GTUK_email




Rationed NHS? Not what was envisioned by the originators of the NHS.

Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36018711)

Of course this sort of thing never happened before 2010.:rolleyes:

From Apr 2007

Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36018730)

Can’t criticise the Tories without acknowledging that the same failures existed in New Labour!

Originally Posted by Taf (Post 36018728)

I have never been called for my 5 yearly Health MOT by our GP. This should include a PSA test for prostate cancer. He thinks it is "unnecessary" despite him being paid to provide the service.

Over the years GPs here have also withdrawn minor surgeries (splinter extraction, cysts drainage, etc.), wart and verruca treatments, lice and headlice treatments, ingrowing toenail treatment, podiatry for the disabled, old or infirm, etc. etc. And now there are no walk-in consultations, just an appointment system with no evening or weekend cover, and neither for 2 afternoons per week.

And now they want to opt-out of out-of-hours cover and most home visits, demanding "another body" be set up to do it all instead.

Ad yet I suspect their pay will not drop a penny....

Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36018708)

We can expect a lot more of that in future if we priotise tax cuts over investing in our health. You get what you vote for.

Originally Posted by Angua (Post 36018737)

Blimey, even I get the bowel cancer screening now. Though Mr A gets annoyed by the reminders for his annual check-up, which he refuses as he is already getting these for other reasons.

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Thats the problem. Successive Governments seem absolutely terrified of direct taxation, even for a specific purpose.

Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36018735)

Nothing to do with failures on either side. Nothing to do with tax cuts. Some of those things are likely to have been already restricted in certain health authorities, even before 2010. Eg The arthroscopic cleaning of arthritic knee mentioned in this list, has been found to not be effective and was restricted in certain(possibly all) regions.
2005

2014
Although.

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36018742)

Terrified because they know it's not what people want. If the electorate wanted it, they would get their wish.

Good luck with Jo Swinson's proposed tax increase. That should see her installed as our next Prime Minister! :D

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36018742)

Terrified because they know it's not what people want. If the electorate wanted it, they would get their wish.

Good luck with Jo Swinson's proposed tax increase. That should see her installed as our next Prime Minister! :D

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36018754)

The electorate want the benefits without the cost, which is not possible in the real world.

They need to be educated in TANSTAAFL*

There Ain’t No Such Thing As A Free Lunch

Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36018756)

You can however borrow against your children’s future ability to find their lunch.

Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36018748)

It’s everything to do with tax cuts. The decisions of what we do (and don’t) fund are a direct result of tax revenues.

You appear to be clouding the matter by bringing in a separate matter on a point people would universally agree: there’s no point funding treatment doesn’t work. That’s of course different from the wider issue.

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“It’s not what people want” is a curious interpretation. You’re assuming people are well informed, and that politicians strive to inform them appropriately.

As I’ve pointed out before - after 40 years of the neo-liberal consensus we are £2 trillion in debt. Politicians were happy to peddle the low tax myth without spelling out to people that it wasn’t sustainable. People were happy to vote for it. Future generations will foot the bill.

Originally Posted by Angua (Post 36018761)

Council cuts are down to central government reducing how much they give councils. So they cut repairs to roads, library funding schools & support services, as they are stuck with looking after children in care and the elderly, because they have also been prevented from raising council tax. So people are spending more on car repairs needed due to poor roads, ends up being a false economy. The same applies to NHS funding, if people do not get the treatment they need in a timely manner, they lose their jobs through being unable to work, so more tax income is lost, whilst benefits go up.

People have been sold getting something for nothing. It cannot be sustained.