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nick_f 09-02-2012 13:07

Media Player?
 
Hi all im after some advice, i travel away with work alot to Saudi Arabia and before i go i usally download avi's etc before i go as the hotel Tv service is shocking,
Im after a small unit that i can transfer files on to play through tv HDMI port?

Will this work?

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Sumvision-...item3a6ebb8318

many thanks:)

qasdfdsaq 09-02-2012 14:39

Re: Media Player?
 
Do you not have a laptop?

nick_f 10-02-2012 09:44

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yeah but i like to use my laptop for work and games while films etc are playing

qasdfdsaq 10-02-2012 13:14

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Laptops can do more than one thing at a time these days...

nick_f 12-02-2012 12:11

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not while using an hdmi output genius

Stuart 12-02-2012 12:25

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Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq (Post 35379371)
Laptops can do more than one thing at a time these days...

Depends how much CPU power the applications need. It's not always practical.

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Originally Posted by nick_f (Post 35378698)
Hi all im after some advice, i travel away with work alot to Saudi Arabia and before i go i usally download avi's etc before i go as the hotel Tv service is shocking,
Im after a small unit that i can transfer files on to play through tv HDMI port?

Will this work?

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Sumvision-...item3a6ebb8318

many thanks:)

Should do fine. You need to think about storage though.

admars 12-02-2012 15:51

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it may be worth thinking about the newer 2, or 2+ version, or version 3

http://www.ebuyer.com/342378-sumvisi...-cyclonemicro3

plays mkv as well. I've got the Ion Vortexplus which is more or les the same as the Cyclone2

http://www.play.com/Electronics/Elec...rlrefer=search

and is great at playing xvid, divx etc off usb stick or sdhc card

qasdfdsaq 12-02-2012 17:37

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Originally Posted by nick_f (Post 35380445)
not while using an hdmi output genius

Yes while using HDMI output genius.

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Originally Posted by Stuart (Post 35380455)
Depends how much CPU power the applications need. It's not always practical.

Admittedly true, but it's generally fine in the vast majority of cases since almost all laptops with HDMI outputs also have hardware acceleration for video decoding, putting CPU use for the video playback bit at 5% or less.

idi banashapan 12-02-2012 18:33

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Originally Posted by nick_f (Post 35380445)
not while using an hdmi output genius

if you're using the HDMI output for an external monitor/screen, why not just dual screen the laptop it have the video on one and your app on the other? what spec is the laptop? save yourself some cash.

Stuart 12-02-2012 18:48

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Originally Posted by idi banashapan (Post 35380708)
if you're using the HDMI output for an external monitor/screen, why not just dual screen the laptop it have the video on one and your app on the other? what spec is the laptop? save yourself some cash.

Is it worth it for £20 and the cost of a memory card? Especially when you bear in mind that some games don't run well with something else using the second monitor.

admars 12-02-2012 19:07

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I didn't "need" my media player, I could hook up the laptop to the tv each time I want to watch a media file my tv/blu ray player doesn't support, but it's so much easier to just copy the files to usb stick/memory card, put in media player.

Also, those media players do an excellent job of playing media files larger than 2gb with no problem.

Stuart 12-02-2012 19:18

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Originally Posted by admars (Post 35380738)
I didn't "need" my media player, I could hook up the laptop to the tv each time I want to watch a media file my tv/blu ray player doesn't support, but it's so much easier to just copy the files to usb stick/memory card, put in media player.

Also, those media players do an excellent job of playing media files larger than 2gb with no problem.

I'm was in almost the same position. I had a load of media files that I wanted to play on my TV. I have a Macbook that was (and is) perfectly capable of playing them through the DVI connector on the TV, but I still got an external media player because it frees up the laptop to do whatver I want while the movie is playing.

Not to mention the fact that if I just want to watch a quick video, I can do it in a few clicks on a remote control, where as with the Macbook (and any PC), I would have needed to start the computer up, start the program then go hunting through the media files.

idi banashapan 12-02-2012 19:27

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Originally Posted by Stuart (Post 35380721)
Is it worth it for £20 and the cost of a memory card? Especially when you bear in mind that some games don't run well with something else using the second monitor.

the thing is, for £20, i would personally be really dubious about the quality. might be worth putting a bit more money into it, perhaps? as for the games not liking a second monitor running, it's never been an issue I've come across in 10 years of running dual screens when gaming, so it's not an issue I'm aware of.

Stuart 12-02-2012 19:43

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Originally Posted by idi banashapan (Post 35380761)
the thing is, for £20, i would personally be really dubious about the quality. might be worth putting a bit more money into it, perhaps? as for the games not liking a second monitor running, it's never been an issue I've come across in 10 years of running dual screens when gaming, so it's not an issue I'm aware of.

Well, I do have this player's big brother, and while the video quality is never going to win any awards, and neither is the user interface, it's certainly watchable, as good as the video quality from any laptop I have seen, and a lot more convenient.

qasdfdsaq 12-02-2012 19:43

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Originally Posted by Stuart (Post 35380754)
Not to mention the fact that if I just want to watch a quick video, I can do it in a few clicks on a remote control, where as with the Macbook (and any PC), I would have needed to start the computer up, start the program then go hunting through the media files.

Yeah, but the OP is talking about travelling (with his laptop) to various places including hotels and hooking it up to their TVs. At which point connecting a laptop is no harder than connecting a laptop and a media player (easier some might argue) and he won't have to copy stuff off the laptop to the media player as well. I see no point in carrying around two devices when one does the job, especially if one has to travel light.

In your own living room where the weight doesn't matter and it's plugged in once and left indefinitely, it's a different matter.

idi banashapan 12-02-2012 19:52

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Originally Posted by Stuart (Post 35380767)
Well, I do have this player's big brother, and while the video quality is never going to win any awards, and neither is the user interface, it's certainly watchable, as good as the video quality from any laptop I have seen, and a lot more convenient.

but we are talking about the little brother... if the big brother isn't great, I'm now definitely dubious about the quality of the little brother!

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Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq (Post 35380769)
Yeah, but the OP is talking about travelling (with his laptop) to various places including hotels and hooking it up to their TVs. At which point connecting a laptop is no harder than connecting a laptop and a media player (easier some might argue) and he won't have to copy stuff off the laptop to the media player as well. I see no point in carrying around two devices when one does the job, especially if one has to travel light.

In your own living room where the weight doesn't matter and it's plugged in once and left indefinitely, it's a different matter.

what he said.

Stuart 12-02-2012 22:17

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Originally Posted by idi banashapan (Post 35380775)
but we are talking about the little brother... if the big brother isn't great, I'm now definitely dubious about the quality of the little brother!

But you missed or ignored the bit where I said the quality was "as good as the video quality from any laptop I have seen". I don't think most Laptops or desktops would win awards for video playback either.

qasdfdsaq 12-02-2012 22:33

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I'm not sure there's any such question of quality when we're talking about digital reproduction of an identical digital bitstream.

Either what the laptop outputs is an exactly 100% perfect bit-perfect representation of the original, or there's a fault in your system. There should be no question of quality. The data is exactly the same, the decoder (if properly following standards) should output exactly the same thing, and the HDMI interface which is also digital should transfer the output bit-perfectly with no loss or change of anything. There is nowhere for "quality" to be gained or lost.

Nothing in the middle - e.g. RAM, processor, or I/O busses should be modifying the data in any way and if it does anything that could lose quality, you'd have bigger problems than video playback - your system wouldn't even boot to begin with.

Stuart 12-02-2012 23:15

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Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq (Post 35380909)
I'm not sure there's any such question of quality when we're talking about digital reproduction of an identical digital bitstream.

Either what the laptop outputs is an exactly 100% perfect bit-perfect representation of the original, or there's a fault in your system. There should be no question of quality. The data is exactly the same, the decoder (if properly following standards) should output exactly the same thing, and the HDMI interface which is also digital should transfer the output bit-perfectly with no loss or change of anything. There is nowhere for "quality" to be gained or lost.

Nothing in the middle - e.g. RAM, processor, or I/O busses should be modifying the data in any way and if it does anything that could lose quality, you'd have bigger problems than video playback - your system wouldn't even boot to begin with.

You forget one thing. All Mpeg 4 based compression systems are lossy. This inevitably introduces errors or artifacts into the compressed data. A system with good decompression will minimise the effects of those artifacts.

And just in case the discussion heads this way, in general, I don't agree that more expensive cables and components automatically make for a better digital reproduction.

qasdfdsaq 12-02-2012 23:23

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Originally Posted by Stuart (Post 35380933)
You forget one thing. All Mpeg 4 based compression systems are lossy. This inevitably introduces errors or artifacts into the compressed data. A system with good decompression will minimise the effects of those artifacts.

But that has nothing to do with the hardware or device, it's entirely up to the software used. Every laptop or media player with the same decoder will output the exact same data with the exact same artifacts, and you can always change the software on the laptop, it's nothing to do with the laptop itself.

Stuart 12-02-2012 23:28

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Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq (Post 35380939)
But that has nothing to do with the hardware or device, it's entirely up to the software used. Every laptop or media player with the same decoder will output the exact same data with the exact same artifacts, and you can always change the software on the laptop, it's nothing to do with the laptop itself.

Except if the decompression is done in hardware, or is hardware accelerated.

qasdfdsaq 13-02-2012 12:22

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Well that's another argument of laptop over dedicated media player then, in that the laptop you can freely choose the software you use, and the drivers for the hardware which determine it's decompression characteristics can also be freely changed. You can also freely choose whether to use the hardware acceleration or not. None of which is easily done on a standalone player.

nick_f 13-02-2012 20:04

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Originally Posted by Stuart (Post 35380754)
I'm was in almost the same position. I had a load of media files that I wanted to play on my TV. I have a Macbook that was (and is) perfectly capable of playing them through the DVI connector on the TV, but I still got an external media player because it frees up the laptop to do whatver I want while the movie is playing.

Not to mention the fact that if I just want to watch a quick video, I can do it in a few clicks on a remote control, where as with the Macbook (and any PC), I would have needed to start the computer up, start the program then go hunting through the media files.


Cheers stuart thats what i was hoping, plus when im at home i can use it on my tv there hassle free, its nice to see sarcasm isnt always required!;)

Kymmy 23-02-2012 19:43

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Here's a great little tool for those wanting more than just a media player when on holiday or away on business..

http://www.saverstore.com/product/20...r-Media-Center

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Media player adapter, e-mail, internet surfing, gaming social networking, e-book and much more.

idi banashapan 23-02-2012 22:30

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Originally Posted by nick_f (Post 35381463)
Cheers stuart thats what i was hoping, plus when im at home i can use it on my tv there hassle free, its nice to see sarcasm isnt always required!;)

lol - the irony

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Originally Posted by nick_f (Post 35380445)
not while using an hdmi output genius


qasdfdsaq 24-02-2012 15:27

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Originally Posted by idi banashapan (Post 35387275)
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Originally Posted by nick_f (Post 35381463)
Cheers stuart thats what i was hoping, plus when im at home i can use it on my tv there hassle free, its nice to see sarcasm isnt always required!;)

lol - the irony
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Originally Posted by nick_f (Post 35380445)
not while using an hdmi output genius


Pwnd.

Hom3r 24-02-2012 17:20

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Originally Posted by Kymmy (Post 35387172)
Here's a great little tool for those wanting more than just a media player when on holiday or away on business..

http://www.saverstore.com/product/20...r-Media-Center


So I guess I could be able to connect a USB HDD to it and the unit to a TV?

Scrubbs 24-02-2012 18:12

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I travel a lot and use my archos 705 which I can watch a movie in the airport or plug it into the scart socket of most hotel tv's. I am up to season 3 of "house md" I can also plug in a usb stick/card reader for any other movies I travel with.:)


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