Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35778695)

and your point is what?

Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35778695)

and your point is what?

Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35778728)

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.....clear to all but the most blind far left wingers. Time and time again gangs of Asian and non-British men are in court on sex offence charges. Unless there's a wide-scale conspiracy in the media to play down reports of white British male gangs doing the same thing there is CLEARLY a problem in the Asian community that is not being dealt with. The authorities seem far more interested in community cohesion than dealing with this issue.

Think I'm being racist? Ask my GF and her 2 daughters who are British-Indian or our son who is mixed-race (although with him being 10 months old he may offer little more than a gurgle or two) what they think about that.

Apologists for the Asian community or those desperate to be seen to be sticking up for them will point out that all those being charged with offences connected to Operation Yewtree are white males.

A valid observation of course but it falls on its face when you take in to account that their heydays were a period where if you were anything other than white Anglo-Saxon you were extremely unlikely to get anywhere near mainstream TV or broadcasting.

The same for Catholic priests - the vast, vast majority in our towns and communities would be white.

If you do a google for "sex gang in court" and go back say 5 pages tell me how many cases show up that don't involve Asian or non-British men. Again, this could be down to Google chosing to only select certain types of cases but I'd very much doubt that.

Unless you can offer a different and more straightforward alternative scenario there are extremely regular reports of 'street' gangs of men from certain ethnic backgrounds in court on sex charges where they repeatedly target vulnerable girls. Some try to say they only target white girls - that does seem to happen too but I make no comment on that as in the vast majority of these cases the the courts hide the details of the victims (as is the law) but I don't see that as being the overriding issue.

There is a clear and massive problem in Asian communities surrounding this and nobody seems willing to deal with it as time and time again we hear of these court cases. No amount of PC-ness can hide the common denominator in each of them. Some try to suggest it's always Pakistani men, others often try to throw in the word 'Muslim', I'm not that destructive. When I see a headline (and no I don't mean the Daily Mail, I'm more a Mirror reader) about a sex gang in court I'm always pretty certain I'll know the kind of names contained in the report.

Can you prove me wrong? As I've said several times please please do. I don't mean that in an arrogant or facetious way, I genuinely want to be proven wrong as doing so will reassure me our society doesn't really have the problem I believe is so apparent. To date I'm sorry to say nobody has succeeded in my request yet.

Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35778739)

If you'd bothered reading the thread you'd know what his point is.

Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35778774)

Unlike what others believe, I have read this thread.

I do not disagree that the Asian community has an issue that needs to be dealt with. Moreoever, they need to be seen to be dealing with it.

The point I am making is that the media have to be very careful in how this is reported. This reason why is this: I have very good friends who are Asian, Sikh specifically. They have put up with years of petty racism from various idiots they meet in their daily lives .. like the **** who shouted racist insults after 9/11 and 7/7 acusing them of being Muslim.

Imagine a headline in the Sun or Daily Mail: "Oh look, another Asian sex gang in court." This is exactly what these petty minded bigots want to hear. They wouldn't think too far beyond this sort of headline and would inevitably lead to more racial incidents.

In my opinion, this whole subject has to be handled very carefully (in the media) to avoid inflaming racial tensions. This is my point ..

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Thank you for this insight

Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35778776)

You're welcome. Thanks for yours - it added precisely nothing. So you knew what Russ's point was but asked anyway?... ;)

Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35778774)

Unlike what others believe, I have read this thread.

I do not disagree that the Asian community has an issue that needs to be dealt with. Moreoever, they need to be seen to be dealing with it.

The point I am making is that the media have to be very careful in how this is reported. This reason why is this: I have very good friends who are Asian, Sikh specifically. They have put up with years of petty racism from various idiots they meet in their daily lives .. like the **** who shouted racist insults after 9/11 and 7/7 acusing them of being Muslim.

Imagine a headline in the Sun or Daily Mail: "Oh look, another Asian sex gang in court." This is exactly what these petty minded bigots want to hear. They wouldn't think too far beyond this sort of headline and would inevitably lead to more racial incidents.

In my opinion, this whole subject has to be handled very carefully (in the media) to avoid inflaming racial tensions. This is my point ..

Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35778781)

Handling it "very carefully" is exactly what South Yorkshire Police and the Rotherham authorities did for 20-odd years and look where that got them. Placing 'community cohesion' above the needs of vulnerable children is the most arse-backwards and ridiculous approach to take.

If the Asian communities feel these bad apples give them a bad name then surely they ought to be doing more about the problem from within. It's very straightforward.

Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35778782)

I am talking about the reporting of these events in the media

Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35778783)

The media have a responsibility to tell us what is going on out there, plain and simple.

Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35778728)

V

.....clear to all but the most blind far left wingers. Time and time again gangs of Asian and non-British men are in court on sex offence charges. Unless there's a wide-scale conspiracy in the media to play down reports of white British male gangs doing the same thing there is CLEARLY a problem in the Asian community that is not being dealt with. The authorities seem far more interested in community cohesion than dealing with this issue.

Think I'm being racist? Ask my GF and her 2 daughters who are British-Indian or our son who is mixed-race (although with him being 10 months old he may offer little more than a gurgle or two) what they think about that.

Apologists for the Asian community or those desperate to be seen to be sticking up for them will point out that all those being charged with offences connected to Operation Yewtree are white males.

A valid observation of course but it falls on its face when you take in to account that their heydays were a period where if you were anything other than white Anglo-Saxon you were extremely unlikely to get anywhere near mainstream TV or broadcasting.

The same for Catholic priests - the vast, vast majority in our towns and communities would be white.

If you do a google for "sex gang in court" and go back say 5 pages tell me how many cases show up that don't involve Asian or non-British men. Again, this could be down to Google chosing to only select certain types of cases but I'd very much doubt that.

Unless you can offer a different and more straightforward alternative scenario there are extremely regular reports of 'street' gangs of men from certain ethnic backgrounds in court on sex charges where they repeatedly target vulnerable girls. Some try to say they only target white girls - that does seem to happen too but I make no comment on that as in the vast majority of these cases the the courts hide the details of the victims (as is the law) but I don't see that as being the overriding issue.

There is a clear and massive problem in Asian communities surrounding this and nobody seems willing to deal with it as time and time again we hear of these court cases. No amount of PC-ness can hide the common denominator in each of them. Some try to suggest it's always Pakistani men, others often try to throw in the word 'Muslim', I'm not that destructive. When I see a headline (and no I don't mean the Daily Mail, I'm more a Mirror reader) about a sex gang in court I'm always pretty certain I'll know the kind of names contained in the report.

Can you prove me wrong? As I've said several times please please do. I don't mean that in an arrogant or facetious way, I genuinely want to be proven wrong as doing so will reassure me our society doesn't really have the problem I believe is so apparent. To date I'm sorry to say nobody has succeeded in my request yet.

Originally Posted by greeninferno (Post 35778807)

Is there any way someone could find this out?

The proportion of sex cases involving the nationalities/religions involved?

Freedom Of Information maybe?

Because the word "asian" is essentially meaningless.

Originally Posted by greeninferno (Post 35778807)

Is there any way someone could find this out?

The proportion of sex cases involving the nationalities/religions involved?

Freedom Of Information maybe?

Because the word "asian" is essentially meaningless.

Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35778785)

There is no such thing as "plain and simple" media reporting.

Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35778778)

Let's agree to differ on this

Originally Posted by greeninferno (Post 35778807)

Is there any way someone could find this out?

The proportion of sex cases involving the nationalities/religions involved?

Freedom Of Information maybe?

Because the word "asian" is essentially meaningless.