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I don't give a turd what their reasons are.The crime is the true fact here and it should never,ever matter when it comes to sexual crimes.
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If it is true that in Asian cultures young girls are treated this way, we urgently need to address the matter if it is something being seen to be happening in the UK. I doubt the result of this case will do anything to deter other like-minded people. If anything I believe it will just make them try harder to not get caught. |
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If you don't identify the reasons why, then you can't identify any current perpetrators or prevent it from happening in the first place.
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They need no excuses or reasons.They merely proffer them as a means of reducing their part in the activity or to point blame elsewhere.
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I don't think reasons are being offered as mitigation, more like a way to identify future such crimes before they happen.
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There is of course still a lot to do still as regards sex crimes because we still have a tendancy to try to bury them .It is true that this case hit the headlines because the perpetrators where all asian ,i doubt very much that there would have been the same coverage if they had all been white which is part of the problem imo |
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Personally, I don;t think this was racially motivated. These men would have picked up young asian girls if they had been available (by that i mean troubled asian girls who could be maniuplated with drink or booze). I have listened to many talk radio phone ins over the past few days, saying how this is a Pakistani cultural issue, or how this is a Pakistani Muslim culture, both views which I think are totally incorrect and generalise a community negatively. Also I find it interesting that when you have a group of pakistani perpertrators their race and culture hasd become a huge issue. When you have reports of child cruelty, paedophillia rings in the UK (where the majority of convicted perpertrators have been White and in a lot of cases English) their race/ethnicioty is never an issue. They are judged as evil, simply because of what has been done. Although I do not agree with child brides, yes it happens in Saudi and no doubt it goes on in otjher countries, cultures and religions. By making refering to this in your post, there is an implication that this is a Muslim issue (Pakistani + Saudi must equal muslim), and you are bringing in a religious factor to the discussion. ---------- Post added at 13:14 ---------- Previous post was at 13:08 ---------- Quote:
There crux of the matter is that this is an abhorent crime which any decent human being would be totally disgusted by and condemn, regardless of race, clour or creed. Unfortunately there are already views that I have read, saying it happens all the time in pakistani communities, oh it's ok because these girls were white, oh they wouldn't do it to their own etc etc etc..... There are calls for community leaders to go on the radio and say that this is not something we agree on etc etc etc. The fact of the matter is that they are evil scumbags, why should their colour or background or religion cause for calls on the wider community to react and defend their culture because people automatically assume it is because of their culture that they have done this? |
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The mistake i think we tend to make is ignoring any race issues or putting them forefront in any crimes .We do need to consider any race issues but not to the extent of putting victims last they must always come first and race issues treated as secondary,not ignored, and dealt with separately so as not to confuse the real issue which in this case was rape and exploitation. Make no mistake that the BNP and others have managed to cloud this issue to the extent where the victims have virtually been forgotten about and because of there actions may result in a retrial where the victims will have to go through all the pain of testifying again and i think these groups should be taken to task over it |
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The gangs then pimp the girls out to others and threaten them with violence against them and their families if they refuse. Obviously not all Pakistanis are like that and neither are all Pakistani gang members. But it happens a lot. She is part of the Asian community and is privacy to what is talked about, what goes on. She has even been warned about it from her own family when she was growing up. |
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Doesn't make it a racist issue necessarily though, just one of of readily available vulnerable young girls who just 'happen' to be white..Most Asian girls are heavily chaperoned within the community and are therefore unlikely to be targeted..I'm pretty sure if they weren't that they would become targets.
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If the gang in Rochdale were in an area rife with vunerable Pakistani girls, do not for one minute think they would have left them alone. TAke out the word asian in your post above and that applies to all people who pimp out girls/run child prostitution rings. No one, especially me, is disputing that Pakistani men do not do it. Unfortunately evil is not confined to one race or colour, but the reporting, views and opinions of late are that this is a massive problem in the Pakistani muslim community and because the victims were all white, its all ok. ---------- Post added at 14:14 ---------- Previous post was at 14:09 ---------- Quote:
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As my OH was growing up she was not warned about gangs of white youths looking for girls. She was specifically told about Pakistani gangs. Even to this day she warns her eldest daughter about them.
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