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alanbjames 14-03-2018 20:26

Lightbulb help.
 
Im looking for advice on lightbulbs.

Lastnight the LED bulb in my bedroom decided to pack in, it was a 43watt bulb.

Today to replace it thinking the lampshade was max of 100watt where its 60watt i bought some halogen classic bulbs to replace it which are 100watt = 129watt.

Now i know the reason they put the max wattage on lampshades is because of heat, my question is will it be ok to put a new bulb with existing lampshade? The new bulbs dont give out nearly as much heat as the old bulbs this is where im confused and asking.

Thanks.

Hom3r 14-03-2018 20:46

Re: Lightbulb help.
 
If the bulb wattage is too high the lampshade could melt if it's made from a plastic material, or potentially catch fire if made from material.

I would get a different lampshade.

pip08456 14-03-2018 21:14

Re: Lightbulb help.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Hom3r (Post 35940728)
If the bulb wattage is too high the lampshade could melt if it's made from a plastic material, or potentially catch fire if made from material.

I would get a different lampshade.

I'd get replacement LED bulbs. Minimal heat, high lumens (brightness) less power consumption.

Ken W 14-03-2018 22:06

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Quote:

Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35940735)
I'd get replacement LED bulbs. Minimal heat, high lumens (brightness) less power consumption.


I agree, you can buy LED light bulbs up to 150 watt equivalent now with consumption of 10 Watt.

alanbjames 14-03-2018 23:02

Re: Lightbulb help.
 
OK thanks guys.

heero_yuy 15-03-2018 09:14

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I would suspect that the 129W value is the light equivelent of a standard bulb compared to the halogen. The 100W will be the heat equivelent.

However I'm steadily replacing all the conventional bulbs in our place with LEDs as they fail. If you need something that looks like a conventional bulb, especially in fitments that need that sparkley effect then consider LED filament bulbs. These are available in a number of styles including antique immitations like this:

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nashville 16-03-2018 15:49

Re: Lightbulb help.
 
My LED bulb average 60 watt is not nearly as bright as my older type

oliver1948uk 16-03-2018 15:54

Re: Lightbulb help.
 
My 11 watt LED bulbs rated A+ are far, far brighter than old fashioned type 60 watts, but they are expensive. Let's hope they last as long as they claim.

nashville 16-03-2018 17:53

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Originally Posted by oliver1948uk (Post 35940904)
My 11 watt LED bulbs rated A+ are far, far brighter than old fashioned type 60 watts, but they are expensive. Let's hope they last as long as they claim.

Mine is just Pifco, Luman =22W. AC W3 bulb size 60" The bulb sits under the glass shade facing upward to it will not take a larger bulb, it is not as bright as I would like , ;)

heero_yuy 16-03-2018 18:16

Re: Lightbulb help.
 
The figure of merit for any lightbulb, irrespective of technology, is the Lumen. As a guide a standard 100W filament bulb emits about 1600 Lumens. This is the total light output of the bulb.

Scale as appropriate and select your LED bulb accordingly.

I've had some really good bulbs from Lidl under the Livarno Lux brand. The Narrow beam GU10 dimmable reflector ones are rated at 5W but are a perfect replacement in colour, brightness and beam for 50W halogens. These have 3 LEDs with colimating lenses in front.

Taf 16-03-2018 19:13

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Home Bargains have been selling GLS style LED lamps for a while now. I have all my chillie and strawberry seedlings under the 100w equiv ones, and the whole house is now bright and cheery.

9w (60w equiv) 806 lumens daylight (6500K) £1.59

12w (100w equiv) 1500 lumens daylight (6500K) £2.99

They sell both bayonet and Edison screw versions.

alanbjames 16-03-2018 20:32

Re: Lightbulb help.
 
I bought a 10watt = 60watt LED in Wilko, its not as bright as my old bulb which is gonna be a pain as i use my webcam to skype so im gonna have to use a lamp to.

Taf 17-03-2018 11:15

Re: Lightbulb help.
 
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Originally Posted by alanbjames (Post 35940936)
I bought a 10watt = 60watt LED in Wilko, its not as bright as my old bulb which is gonna be a pain as i use my webcam to skype so im gonna have to use a lamp to.

I have noticed that the "warm white" lamps have a much lower lumens rating that the "daylight" ones. I wouldn't buy them anyway, who wants yellow light in their homes (apart for those that yearn back to gas lighting?).

Ramrod 17-03-2018 18:45

Re: Lightbulb help.
 
Whilst we are on the topic of bulbs and there seems to be a few knowledgeable people here.....I have one of these which uses a 300W dim-able, giant edison screw, incandescent bulb.
Due to the EU rules, I'm having a hard time sourcing a replacement 300W dim-able incandescent and the LEDs that I've found aren't dim-able or 300W.
Can anyone point me in the right direction? :)

alanbjames 17-03-2018 18:49

Re: Lightbulb help.
 
Wilko sell dimable LEDs not as high as that though.

Try ebay or amazon?

richard s 17-03-2018 22:07

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Look on Amazon plenty of dimable bulbs... ES = Edison screw; ESC + Edison Small Screw.

nashville 17-03-2018 23:36

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Interesting page

Taf 18-03-2018 11:09

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Ramrod (Post 35941020)
..I have one of these which uses a 300W dim-able, giant edison screw, incandescent bulb.

Photo? There are some out there for commercial use that have the oversized ES thread, but they start around £45 from what I've seen. But you can buy adapters that can drop them to ES27 so you can use more modern (and much cheaper) bulbs.

SnoopZ 18-03-2018 13:06

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So confused about light bulbs now, the last time i bought any they were energy saving twisty looking ones similar to the picture.

What is the equivalent to these now that i need to buy?

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...1&d=1521378354

heero_yuy 18-03-2018 14:36

Re: Lightbulb help.
 
Those are CFL (Compact flourescent) nasty things with Mercury in and usually slow to get going. I've also had two go off with a bang. You can still get them and they're better than they used to be.

Modern lamps are LED*, quick to start and often dimmable. Fully solid state. Long life. They contain no nasty stuff and available in a variety of styles.

*Light emitting diode. A specially manufactured crystal that emits strong blue light in this case. Covered with a phosphor that converts some of the blue to yellow, by varying the mix you get the different qualities (Colour temperature) of white.

Ramrod 18-03-2018 15:36

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Originally Posted by richard s (Post 35941045)
Look on Amazon plenty of dimable bulbs... ES = Edison screw; ESC + Edison Small Screw.

Found this on Amazon but it's 400W. Since it's not an incandescent bulb, would that matter?

Edit: Tadaa! :)

edit again: £49 delivery! ......nope! :(

Hom3r 18-03-2018 15:41

Re: Lightbulb help.
 
I'm looking at gradually replacing all my bulb as they die with Philips Hue bulbs.

The downside is cost. Upto £50 a bulb.

But hall lights will be pure white and around £13, and some I might do white accents which are £25.

Taf 18-03-2018 15:59

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Originally Posted by Ramrod (Post 35941106)
Found this on Amazon but it's 400W. Since it's not an incandescent bulb, would that matter?

Edit: Tadaa! :)

edit again: £49 delivery! ......nope! :(


From my mate's shop... but probably better suited to a lighthouse :D

http://www.green-lamp.co.uk/product/250w-cfl-bulbs/

or use this type of adapter to use standard E27 bulbs

http://www.green-lamp.co.uk/product/...light-adaptor/

Ramrod 18-03-2018 18:08

Re: Lightbulb help.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Taf (Post 35941114)
From my mate's shop... but probably better suited to a lighthouse :D

http://www.green-lamp.co.uk/product/250w-cfl-bulbs/

or use this type of adapter to use standard E27 bulbs

http://www.green-lamp.co.uk/product/...light-adaptor/

8000 lumens! 'kin 'ell :D
I was about to buy that but then I noticed that it weighs half a kilo! I think I'll get the adaptor and then the world is my mollusc as far as light bulbs go :D

Taf 19-03-2018 11:23

Re: Lightbulb help.
 
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Originally Posted by Ramrod (Post 35941132)
8000 lumens! 'kin 'ell :D
I was about to buy that but then I noticed that it weighs half a kilo!D

I know many who use those lamps for raising chilli plants, and are shocked when they see it's size and weight. :shocked:

I was gifted an LED array called a UFO that kicks out 9250 lumens. You daren't look anywhere near it....

Matth 21-03-2018 01:05

Re: Lightbulb help.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ramrod (Post 35941020)
Whilst we are on the topic of bulbs and there seems to be a few knowledgeable people here.....I have one of these which uses a 300W dim-able, giant edison screw, incandescent bulb.
Due to the EU rules, I'm having a hard time sourcing a replacement 300W dim-able incandescent and the LEDs that I've found aren't dim-able or 300W.
Can anyone point me in the right direction? :)

Is this it https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/CROMPTON-...MAAOSw3aNanr8Z

Dimmable LED are designed to work with LED compatible dimmers, it's uncertain if they would provide sufficient hold current for a conventional dimmer unless sharing with a conventional bulb, and the response range could be narrow.

Brunel 21-03-2018 09:56

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https://www.theinternetelectricalstore.com/

BenMcr 21-03-2018 10:29

Re: Lightbulb help.
 
One thing that you have to do these days - pay attention to the colour temp of the bulbs you buy!

At Christmas I decided it was time for my Dad to get swapped from CFL bulbs to LEDs - the CFLs were taking ages to start up so didn't actually help when you needed light.

However I ended ordering the wrong colour temp bulbs from B&Q - ended up with Cool White rather than Warm White bulbs.

Didn't notice until I started swapping them and wondered why the rooms looked odd.

Luckily B&Q are pretty good for their returns policy and manage to swap all that I needed for Warm White bulbs. Actually ended up leaving a couple as Cool White as they seem to be better for reading and working.

Brunel 21-03-2018 10:35

Re: Lightbulb help.
 
There is also a "Daylight white" lamp available now.

Midway between warm & cool.

Have a look on SCREWFIX or TOOLSTATION.

CPC have a large amount of LED lamps in stock.

BenMcr 21-03-2018 10:51

Re: Lightbulb help.
 
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Originally Posted by Brunel (Post 35941381)
There is also a "Daylight white" lamp available now.

Isn't Daylight above Cool White i.e:

Warm White (around 3000K) > Cool White (around 4500K) > Daylight White (around 6500K)

Brunel 21-03-2018 11:09

Re: Lightbulb help.
 
Sorry my mistake. the mid colour can go by a few different names.

DAYLIGHT is probably the best for household use.

https://www.toolstation.com/shop/Lig...0+Lamps/sd2681

http://cpc.farnell.com/c/electrical-...lobe-led-bulbs

https://www.theinternetelectricalsto...l--led-9-c.asp

All the colours..? https://www.theinternetelectricalsto...our-1728-c.asp

BenMcr 21-03-2018 11:24

Re: Lightbulb help.
 
I think it all depends on what you're used to as to which works best.

My view is that if you're going from Incandescent or most CFL bulbs you're probably best going for Warm White bulbs as these are roughly the same type of light.

Cool White and Daylight have their uses but have more blue light in them, so aren't so good if rooms you'll use in the evening as they'll feel a bit harsh.

Taf 21-03-2018 15:30

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Quote:

Originally Posted by BenMcr (Post 35941382)
Isn't Daylight above Cool White i.e:

Warm White (around 3000K) > Cool White (around 4500K) > Daylight White (around 6500K)

Correct. And Daylight helps with people like me who suffer from S.A.D.

No need to hire a lightbox from the NHS these days. Oh, just checked and they have stopped the service.


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