Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

:welcome: Delbuoy

I like that idea :)

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

I also received a response from my MEP with answers from the EC to questions he posed. The answer is similar to Tharricks and Ravenhearts, but slightly extended.

It's viewable here:

http://badphorm.co.uk/e107_plugins/f....php?4633.last

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

It's good to squawk-about your customer's lives!:p:

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

"It's good to stalk" ?

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

That tactic does work. If there is no mention of the 2 key words and if you use the link facility to put the relevant hyper links onto innocent phrases like "here" or "information", and if you use an innocent title, then posts can survive and get read.

But the avatar idea is a non-runner I'm afraid unless it was quite innocuous. Signatures are not a problem.
Name changes are also not a problem although I'm not trying that myself at the moment - I'm tempted to change my posting ID to Phorm or Webwise.

There is also no private messaging facility on BT Beta which makes communicating beneath the radar difficult.

BT simply do not want their customers to know about this. The average BT customer is not going to hear about Phorm/Webwise because BT are determined to keep it from them. There needs to be exposure on the red top press, and the peak hour consumer programs - with respect - the geek oriented stuff like Gadget and Click isn't enough.

BT is a mass-market ISP, and until they see something about Phorm/Webwise on the mainstream their 3 million customers will not care mainly because they don't know, and even if they do know, they won't understand.

I'm normally against things like viral marketing email campaigns (I don't mean real virus you understand) but I'm tempted in this situation. We've all got address books with contacts' btinternet, talktalk and VM addresses in them - could we do some viral email anti-phorm marketing? (doing it responsibly using Bcc field to safeguard privacy of data).

The email would need to have a short snappy title - a short explanatory teaser paragraph, a series of key page links like inphormation.org (I suggest it DOESN'T send people to forums - forums scare your average user! I know how hard it is to promote forum use to "ordinary" people!) - and a short list (like Kursks list but shorter and made simpler) of things that people can do really easily with minimum effort, all involving a short email to send to someon and an encouragement for them to send a similar mail to anyone they have in their address book with a BT/VM/TalkTalk address (using Bcc for round robins)

BT Retail email addresses are either ATbtinternet.com or ATbtopenworld.com

What are the ones for TalkTalk and VM?

Remember - here you can say and do what you like subject to a few "not being rude" rules. The mission over at BT is more to try and "catch" uninphormed customers and get their attention. And that ain't easy!

If all the BT customers using C/F (but with access to BT Beta forums) would like to PM me, I'd be interested in discussing strategy.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

What would be good is if someone could do a video parody of the Anti Piracy ad you get on DVDs and throw it on YouTube, it would go viral.

"Your anti virus can't stop it."
"Your anti spyware can't stop it."
"Your anti adware can't stop it."
"Your firewall can't stop it."
"Virgin, BT and Talk Talk are planning to copy every web page you visit for the purpose of building a profile of your habits; they call this Webwise and it is illegal."
"Join the campaign now on (insert website here)"

"Webwise...it's a crime!"

Then instead of credits, have quotes from famous people like Mr Web Berners Lee, Richard Clayton, Nicholas Bohm etc. and a few nasty quotes from Phorm (like the "We see the whole internet" one and the "Two dead in Iraq" one).

Alexander Hanff

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Actually, without wanting to blow my trumpet I think the above is an extremely good idea.

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Also something like this might be another useful parody:

http://www.paladine.org.uk/images/youcanclick.png

Alexander Hanff

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

we need both..the workplace noticeboard and youtube, plus anything and everything else.

Nearly forgot, feel free to amend that pdf notice I did in whatever way anyone likes, (with their own website, etc.) but keep it snappy and simple otherwise joe publics eyes glaze.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Google is showing 1,160.00 - trades today of 12,400.00 :)

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

k did a quick mashup of the "You Can Click" parody and replaced the huge image in my above post.

Alexander Hanff

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

shares.. 1,162.500 [img]Download Failed (1)[/img] -50.00 -4.12%

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Something I must mention is, it is not totally true that a Firewall cannot affect this system. If the correct IP addresses or ranges are added to the firewall rules, it can badly affect the profiler forcing a temporary blacklisting of the current IP.

This however may or may not result in the DPI inspection taking place as there are still not clear details from either BT or Phorm!

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Using your firewall to block webwise addresses is the last thing you want to do. It will make it impossible to browse the web on port 80 as the machine needs a valid webwise IP for the network to route it onto the internet.

BT have confirmed this explicitly.

Alexander Hanff

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

I don't think I've seen a whole day like this with Phorm shares kissing the gaps between the financial floorboards quite like today. (unless the cockroaches come out to buy just before close). It's really quite heartening.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

It wasn't so long ago I noted this thread had reached the 1/3 million hits mark. Now the hits are 403K+ how long before we reach half a million hits?

:)

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Close at 1100 :)


http://finance.google.com/finance?q=LON:PHRM

1 & 3 month graphs look good.

EDIT : Aw! It's just popped up to 1150. :td: