BBC iplayer problem
I'm sure I posted here before but my post seems to have gone missing.
So here it is again is it common to have problems with VM BBC Iplayer HD content seems to stutter to the point I can't watch it and same goes for SD although not as much. I've been using my smart tv to watch Iplayer stuff and don't have any problems |
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Yes it's common, Iplayer is pants on Tivo.
Report it as a fault. They probably can't solve it and will blame the BBC, but unless more people report it and just stop regarding it as normal service, nothing will change. Iplayer is fine on other platforms - TiVo is the problem and you're paying for it. |
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IPlayer implementation varies greatly from platform to platform. I can watch it just fine on my Echostar Freesat box (not in HD, my ADSL struggles to maintain 2Mb) while the Wii, sitting right next to it, will stutter and crap out constantly on the same stream at the same time of day.
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Does Tivo use the internet version for iPlayer?
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Yes, although I watched an hour long HD programme yesterday evening through my TiVo and it didn't stutter once.
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Pants is rather strong.
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I'll avoid watching BBC streamed stuff on my TiVo. Too unreliable an experience.
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A few days ago I had a fault when using iplayer over a Samsung V+ box, which caused the picture to make forward jumps every so often. I tried it several times on different days, but it was always the same, except that it was worse at some times than at others.
Today I had an idea: I remembered that I am using a good quality HDMI cable to connect my DVD player to the TV and the HDMI cable that came with my V+ box when I first got it a few years ago now, to connect the V+ box to the TV. I swapped them round and played the troublesome programme again and it was perfect. Just to be sure I re-connected the cables as they had been originally and the fault came back. I have now re-connected the good quality HDMI between the V+ box and the TV and will buy another quality cable for my DVD player. I will monitor the situation and report back if I have any more problems. Perhaps good quality HDMI cables do make a difference in certain circumstances! PS I should say that 4oD and the ITV player did not have this fault, even with the HDMI cable supplied by Virgin Media. |
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Sorry to dig up this thread but the iPlayer has buffered really bad since early August, I have contacted 'support' but I was told was reboot the box and that will fix it, but it hasn't any suggestions what I can do as I'm not happy with the support offered by the faults team
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Try doing what I did earlier, connect ethernet up to hub and TiVo. Played a stuttering programme all the way through with no problems.
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Even with a tivo connected to the hub it won't make a difference. I don't k ow why they are saying it's resolved I was told my tivo won't be fixed till 2015 for bbc buffering
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The TiVo uses its internal modem for streaming and NOT the ethernet. Its a pain, iPlayer is really bad but ITV player content is rather jerky too on playback. |
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Its got potential to get worse as they seem intent on running down the catch up on the v+/ vhd and pushing the punters onto TiVo. More users = more buffering. They are going to be dissapointed when they get TiVos flaky iPlayer to replace what was a reliable catch up service on the v+/vhd.
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Xbox One to get updated iPlayer by Christmas alongside TiVo and YouView
http://recombu.com/digital/news/bbc-...-and-bt-vision |
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Its so poor I've spend £20 on a Chromecast to run all on demand and YouTube content.
Download a casting app from the Playstore/iTunes to you Smartphone, tablet or laptop and away you go. Also use it to stream other content I.E. music and video (although it has limited acceptable formats). Yes I know I shouldn't have to pay extra to get this given how much I pay Virgin each month but it solves the problem and avoids a whole heap of frustration! |
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Much forum ping-pong later, and an SNR issue has been raised. We've seen steady improvements since. Still not 100% yet but... |
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I've got a Tivo and a VHD box so feel i can compare. Gave up on Tivo a long time ago for catch up because of buffering - particularly HD at peak times. Works perfectly on the VHD and in better quality, however they are now running that down and withdrawn HD programmes altogether. Gave the iplayer on Tivo a go again tonight for a programme that wasn't on the VHD (Match of the Day 50th thing) - worked ok for 20 secs and then the buffering started. Reports of buffering on the support forum get ignored and VM's hired posters ridicule you for making such a fuss and there is no problem as their service is perfect - I suspect they haven't tried to watch HD programmes at peak times. So VM's strategy seems to be axe the good service and put more punters on the overly congested one, makes sense to someone, somewhere.....
Tivo is so slow compared to the VHD aswell -its overly bloated with apps that don't work properly or nobody uses. If anything they should migrate the software from the VHD onto Tivo rather than the other way round . |
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Who are these 'VM's hired posters'?
Are they Virgin Media employees? |
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I think he is referring to the superusers on the community forum
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It was a BBC decision to require all services to use the same IP-based architecture for iPlayer, not Virgin's, and it sounds like work is now taking place to improve things.
The next major release of the TiVo software is supposed to fix the speed issues by replacing the interface layer that caused most of the sluggishness. (Personally I still think the TiVo UI is a trainwreck filled with inconsistencies and bad practice that would have Steve Jobs spinning in his grave, but eventually you get used to it for the everyday things...) |
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Some are helpful, some are fanbois, some are copy and paste warriors.
We have all 3 in this thread http://community.virginmedia.com/t5/...x/td-p/2327367 |
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In relation to a post by uk_viewer on VM's support forum Kath F posted this
Hi uk_viewer, Thanks for your post. I'm sorry to hear that you are having issues with this. We are aware of many people having an issue with the service but after speaking with the BBC, any known issue has been resolved. They have suggested this is down to an individual fault. http://community.virginmedia.com/t5/...458619#M101335 So does this mean that everyone how has a problem still will be treated as an individual fault? if so they'll have a lot of individual faults to resolve going by the amount of complaints they still get |
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However, I think that this will not be properly resolved until the VM update has been rolled out and the new BBC i-Player is installed on the Tivos later this year. |
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One thing I'm increasingly curious by though, and probably wouldn't have been but for this issue.
For some people, it seems there is no problem whatsoever with TiVo streaming apps, for others it seems all but unusable. Personally, HD at peak times is prone to stuttering, but otherwise it's generally ok. However... anyone who's saying it's unusable, consistently says that using their normal VM broadband but watching via other routes (PC, xbox etc) is fine. So... if the TiVos have dedicated modems built in which should be quite capable of the speeds required.. HD is, what, 3-4Mb/s, SD nearer 2.. does this mean the TiVo traffic is routed differently over the network once it goes "down the pipe".. it must be? |
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I've twice this week found iPlayer unusable through my new TiVo, a problem I never before experienced before the box swap. Every other device I've used - because the TiVo has been dreadful - has been faultless. ---------- Post added at 11:36 ---------- Previous post was at 11:23 ---------- Incidentally, my Anywhere app no longer seems able to display my shows, saying it can't find my new TiVo on the network, despite correctly displaying its name and storage % used elsewhere in the app. ---------- Post added at 12:17 ---------- Previous post was at 11:36 ---------- Anyone having problems this survey http://community.virginmedia.com/t5/...n/td-p/2375611 is on the help and support forum. I've filled it out. According to Virgin the Beeb are saying that there are no issues, but Virgin are well aware that this isn't the case so are trying to collect information to back this up and have the issue re-raised as a fault. Best to work with them, I would say... |
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However, I'm still a little confused. I have had quite a few issues with the i-Player at times - mainly when watching in HD, but Netflix works fine, with no stuttering or anything, and the picture is good too. Why is this congestion affecting one app and not the other? And given that congestion is the problem, have Virgin got any plans to deal with this in terms of capacity or better technology? |
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Kath_F posted this last night on the support forum Hi all, Thanks for your posts. Huw is working hard on getting this issue re raised and his doing his best to get this resolved. It's the BBC who have advised us there is no issue and that we should be investigating individual issues. We disagree and as such have set up the survey here to see how many people are actually having problems. Huw is collecting all information ready to present to the team the number of people having this problem without any issues on their lines. http://community.virginmedia.com/t5/...459931#M101438 So until they stop blaming each other and find a solution this will not get resolved |
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Surely an admission that there is at least a problem is a start? Everyone should fill out the survey if they're having problems.
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I reckon the bandwidth is fluctuating and the netflix app has a bigger buffer to cope with it
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After months of problems the service status page has the following
You might find that some of your apps such as iPlayer & Youtube are either a bit slow to load or Freezing/Buffering at the moment on your TiVo® service. Fault Reported on : 09:47AM Tuesday 7 October We have identified the problem and an engineer is on their way. Estimated Fix time: 06:00PM Thursday 9 October - though this was Tuesday, then yesterday and now today so basically it keeps changing |
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Gavin,
I've had the same. The fault log in my case is a different one to that given by VM Support on their forum - but the text is exactly the same, as is the (current) fix time. I'm in North-Bristol fringe. |
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All clear on the service status page only time will tell whether the iplayer is fixed
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It's basically pretty crap imo, can only hope theses updates resolve the problems, doesn't shed a very good light on Virgin though.
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Looks like it's back up and running again. Just watched Andrew Marr in HD and no glitches!
If it's still not working for you, re-boot your box and it should now be fine. |
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Trying to watch now but just getting server error crap and constant buffering. YouTube and Netflix work perfectly fine though.
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Anyone still having BBC Iplayer problems can you please fill out the survey on the VM Community forum http://community.virginmedia.com/t5/...n/td-p/2375611 because they are saying only a few customers have filled it in which hasn't given them enough information. Thanks
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The more I think about it, the more VM seem to be treating the whole iPlayer/local network congestion thing very reactively.
In my case if I hadn't nagged CS continually over a period of weeks, I don't get the feeling the congestion would have been logged anywhere near as quickly as it was. Obviously I don't know the nature of the fix in my area, but I'm left wondering if VM Networks were a bit more proactive about congestion triggers being breached, would things get logged (and ultimately fixed) quicker. Perhaps I'm just being too simplistic, and the problem is communication within CS. Then there were the ping problems last week... a fault log wasn't exactly forthcoming then! |
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For me HD is always the problem and given that iPlayer on TiVo defaults to SD every time many viewers are probably only using that or have given up on HD based on past poor performance of it.
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---------- Post added at 10:48 ---------- Previous post was at 10:19 ---------- It's so inconsistent too, last night I watched last weeks antique roadshow at around 9pm in HD and it played perfect right the way through but on Friday I tried to watch our zoo at 3pm in the afternoon and it started freezing immediately on HD and SD. You think it is finally fixed and then it starts freezing again. |
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It's the nature of congestion that it is inconsistent. You have no way of knowing what else is going on in the network at the same time - 3pm might seem like a quiet time but that day thousands of parents in your area might have arbitrarily decided to plop their kids in front of CBeebies shows on iPlayer.
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The thing is VM don't seem to want to admit that it's a congestion problem.
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If everyone who continues to have problems with the BBC i-Player rang Virgin to complain, the sheer numbers should prompt them to do something. A lot of people have just been putting up with it.
Having said that, I've had no further problems with it since they 'fixed' the problem a few days ago. |
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Gave up using IPlayer on TIVO and now Chromecast IPlayer to my TV and all is well. That tells me it's VM's problem
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Hi all. Just found this forum. I changed to a TIVO box when they first came out. NEVER has my BBCi Player worked on it properly. VM have changed my box several times had engineers here, upscaled the complaint etc but it has reached the point that i just dont watch bbc progs on catch up. Everything was perfect with my VHD and to be honest I wish I'd never upgraded to TIVO (worst decision I ever made). I was advised a long time ago that it was a BBC issue and was advised that it would be fixed by June 2013. Never happened. I emailed the BBC also with no joy. Only came across this forum now as I decided to complain to Watchdog about the BBC :-). So sent a complaint into them and did a search for other comments about people having the same problems and low and behold here I am. I have now also filled in the survey form for VM but was never aware of that from anywhere (especially VM). Problem appears a bit more prevalent now. I do hope they can get the thing sorted as I agree with all comments BBCiplayer works fine on all other platforms such as PC or NowTV box on my TV upstairs but all other catch up services and streaming from 4OD, ITV, Channel5 etc all work very well on TIVO. Gees thats been a bit of a long spiel. Sorry :rolleyes:
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The latest episode of the Gadget Show has compared Sky,VM and BT's boxes. Tivo didn't fare very well with the interface being described as 'clunky' (even after the latest update)and the iPlayer being highlighted as a major issue which VM haven't solved (where it works fine on other platforms).
http://www.channel5.com/shows/the-ga.../episode-9-342 (about 8 minutes in) Strange VM don't seem to acknowledge the widespread issue and keep putting this down to individual faults. Beginning to think this problem has been going on for so long ( ie years) that there isn't a solution and Tivo will never handle iPlayer. Either we'll have to wait for a new box, or VM will have to reconsider how they deliver catch up for BBC programmes. The Sky Box seems to download programmes before playing, couldn't Tivo be configured to do this ? |
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The problems with iPlayer have been ongoing for years on Tivo. If it's network related that's more than enough time to invest and fix the problems. iPlayer issues seem to be becoming more common (as more get Tivo?).
I sense a head in the sand attitude from VM. Making it all plum coloured isn't going to fix things or fool anybody. Hopefully this weeks Gadget Show 'outing' of Tivo's failings will spark some action; not holding my breath.... |
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I'm just clinging on to the hope that the revamped i-Player will cure the problem, but I'm not placing any money on it.
This is really urgent now, it is not doing Virgin's reputation much good not being able to show this important VOD facility when all the other operators seem to be able to do it. |
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I had exactly the same BBCi issues a few months back and they went on for 4 or 5 months.
Then all of a sudden about a month ago they disappeared. Very strange. |
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BBCiplayer is unwatchable on TiVo all virgin say is ongoing problem but upstairs on the V+ box no problem at all all though not all programs are on like on the TiVo.
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I think you should report it, because if as spiderplant says the problem is congestion, I expect they wait for people to report problems before they act on it. |
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In the recent past I've suffered dreadful problems with BBC iPlayer on TiVo with any HD programme impossible to watch and complained. For the last week or so the problem seems to have been fixed in my area (London). Somebody out there must be listening.
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I guess this means that not many TiVo-10Mb capacity issues need the more-drastic fixes of new ducting/cabinets etc then. That's good, seeing as the fix-date I was given previously apparently slipped - and I've been struggling to get sensible updates so far :-( |
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If areas are over-congested wouldn't it be sensible to put a hold on signing new victims up ? It would have been better to upgrade the network first before expanding. Maybe not profitable in the short term but in the long term it would pay off.
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iPlayer still buffers on the pile of junk that is Tivo. Customers with complaints are still being directed to a survey that has been ongoing for over 5 months in an effort to keep them quiet.
I try to avoid using iPlayer on Tivo these days. I had set Tivo to record the programme I wanted on Saturday night but the snooker overran so that was my recording stuffed. Even freeview recorders are able to pick up delayed programmes starting and finishing, but cruddy Tivo can't. Never mind I thought I'll give iPlayer on Tivo a go - silly me ! |
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The survey Feels like a stalling measure rather than to discover a solution. If the tivo cdns can't handle the load let us ethernet our hubs to use that connection
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This is a serious shortcoming that should be addressed in the next software update IMO. |
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Just downloaded the IPlayer App for Xbox One and it is superb, really fast with no issues at all. Takes a 5 seconds to load.
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No but it shows that it is an issue with the Tivo rather than a network issue, unless it is to do with the dedicated 10mb connection of the Tivo.
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Didn't spider say the buffering is being caused by congestion in some areas on DOCSIS 1. Could be wrong I'm sure he'll explain. |
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But in terms of how long it's taking VM to fix the underlying issue - I am beginning to wonder whether my area is not as straightforward as some others. |
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Wonder if things will improve once the html5 app gets released?
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Hate replying to my own posts :-(
I've just had a response on the VM support forum, that the congestion in my area now has a review date of March 2015, the third fault ref I've had for it. So from getting TiVo installed in July 2014 and reporting problems pretty much since the start... |
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That's totally unacceptable, shame on you Virgin! |
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Yes, that is pretty poor. If it's a problem relating to congestion, you wouldn't have thought it would take so long to increase capacity.
Having said that, maybe the way the system was set up needs unscrambling, which could take longer than resolving a more straight forward problem. Still, having to wait three months does seem excessive. |
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Sorry to Hi-jack this, but seems relevant, rather than starting a whole new thread. We have NEVER had satisfactory iPlayer use on our Tivo over the 2 years + we have had it (including 2 replacement units), and mid last year gave up and bought a smart Blu-ray player which is SUPERB, never stutters or struggles at all on iPlayer (and gets Amazon instant video as well).
our contract is up in February, I'm really thinking of just chucking out VM TV. We pay a lot of money for an unsatisfactory service, and VM customer service just don't care. So I think I might have to suffer a little and lose a few channels (such as Gold), but save a lot of money AND frustration by not using the Tivo Oh, and it spontaneously re-boots itself mid-program - which meant it lost us the last 10 minutes of recording Esio Trot on New years day !! Fortunately we could watch it on iPlayer on the Blu-ray player we have bought - but really, the Tivo is chuffing pointless now... |
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I must admit to using the TiVo iPlayer app for the first time in two years last night and although it loaded up reasonably quickly, once I started watching the show all I got was the dreaded spinning circle.
I gave up after a minute and switched to my TV's app which worked perfectly. Can't say I'll be trying the TiVo app again in the future. If anything I'm doing my bit to ease congestion in my area :p: |
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Is anyone actually able to use their i-Player during the evening without interruption? It's been horrendous in my area recently.
Also, does anyone know when we are getting the new version of i-Player? I'm still hoping this will resolve the main issues at least. I thought this was coming before Christmas, but I guess they didn't say which Christmas. :rolleyes: |
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