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LiamTG 18-02-2021 10:47
Please Help - Modem Mode
 
Hi all,

I am trying to install a TP-Link Archer VR2800 wifi router to my Hub 3.

I have managed to get as far as putting the Hub 3 into modem mode but when I try to connect the router it is asking me for a username and password for the Hub 3 - any ideas as to what this is? Is it my SSID and Password? Has anyone had success installing this wifi router?

Thanks for reading - I did try and search for this topic but couldn't find anything so please forgive me if it has already been covered.

Ken W 18-02-2021 11:00
Re: Please Help - Modem Mode
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by LiamTG (Post 36071103)
Hi all,

I am trying to install a TP-Link Archer VR2800 wifi router to my Hub 3.

I have managed to get as far as putting the Hub 3 into modem mode but when I try to connect the router it is asking me for a username and password for the Hub 3 - any ideas as to what this is? Is it my SSID and Password? Has anyone had success installing this wifi router?

Thanks for reading - I did try and search for this topic but couldn't find anything so please forgive me if it has already been covered.
It is on the little label attached to the HB3, I hope that you have not lost it

LiamTG 18-02-2021 11:20
Re: Please Help - Modem Mode
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ken W (Post 36071104)
It is on the little label attached to the HB3, I hope that you have not lost it
Thanks for your reply.

Is it an email address or is it the SSID and Password that's on the sticker on the bottom of the router/

Synthetic 18-02-2021 11:31
Re: Please Help - Modem Mode
 
It'll be neither, it sounds like it's asking for PPoE creds which virgin dont use, you need to select DHCP in the router's WAN connection settings.

LiamTG 18-02-2021 12:34
Re: Please Help - Modem Mode
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Synthetic (Post 36071106)
It'll be neither, it sounds like it's asking for PPoE creds which virgin dont use, you need to select DHCP in the router's WAN connection settings.
Thanks for your reply.

I have put the TP Link in wifi only mode. I have put the Hub 3 in Modem mode.

Connected them but get no internet.

I found the DHCP setting on the TP Link and there are options I don't understand! DHCP Server or DHCP Relay.

Which one do I need?

There is lso a setting on the TP Link called VLAN ID. Do I need this selected?

Plus an internet connection type - set a Bridge, with other options such as Static IP, Dynamic IP, PPPoE (which you said VM don't do). Which one of these would I set it at?

Thanks again.

General Maximus 18-02-2021 12:44
Re: Please Help - Modem Mode
 
I am wondering if the shub and router are trying to use the same ip address and when you navigate to it you are connecting to the shub instead of the router. I have had that problem before.

There are two options in the shub. Although you are presented with a login screen, you can click on router status below and it will load the connection stats for the modem side of the shub. If you wanted to take the shub out of modem mode and configure any of the router settings you would need to login. The default username is "admin" and the password is on the bottom of the shub and labelled as "settings password" and for me it is something like eight or nine numbers long.

If you are indeed having the problem that I suspected above I would suggest connecting your router to your pc first without connecting it to anything else, navigating to the gui and customising the settings such as lan ip address and dns servers. My lan ip and subnet are completely different to what the what tries to use so there is never any confusion.



Quote:
Originally Posted by LiamTG (Post 36071115)
I have put the TP Link in wifi only mode. I have put the Hub 3 in Modem mode.
that means you have no router to manage the devices on your network and route the traffic hence no internet connection.


Quote:
Originally Posted by LiamTG (Post 36071115)
I found the DHCP setting on the TP Link and there are options I don't understand! DHCP Server or DHCP Relay.
dhcp server

Quote:
Originally Posted by LiamTG (Post 36071115)
There is lso a setting on the TP Link called VLAN ID. Do I need this selected?
no

Quote:
Originally Posted by LiamTG (Post 36071115)
Plus an internet connection type - set a Bridge.
put it back in router mode or do a pinhole reset. Everything will work fine on default settings and the only thing you should be changing is your wifi ssid and password. Don't change anything else unless you know what you are doing.

pip08456 18-02-2021 14:12
Re: Please Help - Modem Mode
 
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You first have to change the connection mode. It is currently set at DSL modem/router. (the clue was VLAN ID)

Go into the advanced tab and change operation mode to wireless router.

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...3&d=1613657423

It will reboot once you click save and you should be good to go.

LiamTG 18-02-2021 14:44
Re: Please Help - Modem Mode
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by General Maximus (Post 36071118)
I am wondering if the shub and router are trying to use the same ip address and when you navigate to it you are connecting to the shub instead of the router. I have had that problem before.

There are two options in the shub. Although you are presented with a login screen, you can click on router status below and it will load the connection stats for the modem side of the shub. If you wanted to take the shub out of modem mode and configure any of the router settings you would need to login. The default username is "admin" and the password is on the bottom of the shub and labelled as "settings password" and for me it is something like eight or nine numbers long.

If you are indeed having the problem that I suspected above I would suggest connecting your router to your pc first without connecting it to anything else, navigating to the gui and customising the settings such as lan ip address and dns servers. My lan ip and subnet are completely different to what the what tries to use so there is never any confusion.




that means you have no router to manage the devices on your network and route the traffic hence no internet connection.



dhcp server


no


put it back in router mode or do a pinhole reset. Everything will work fine on default settings and the only thing you should be changing is your wifi ssid and password. Don't change anything else unless you know what you are doing.
Thanks, I done a reset of the TP Link via the pinhole. I had the Hub 3 in modem mode. It connected to the internet on the laptop but no other devices would get internet from it. When I changed the SSID and password on the TP-Link via their Tether app. Nothing at all would work.

I reckon that the TP-Link may just not be compatible with the Hub 3 which is naff as it costs so much.

General Maximus 18-02-2021 15:08
Re: Please Help - Modem Mode
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by LiamTG (Post 36071152)
I reckon that the TP-Link may just not be compatible with the Hub
Things don't work like that. I don't want to sound overly harsh but I genuinely think it is more of a case of you have no idea about networking and what you are doing. I hate to say it because I have always been a staunch advocate of people buying their own proper routers but in this instance I think you'll be better off returning your router and putting the shub back in router mode. The entire reason shubs exist is to provide a user friendly experience for non-tech savvy peeps like yourself.

pip08456 18-02-2021 15:14
Re: Please Help - Modem Mode
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by General Maximus (Post 36071158)
Things don't work like that. I don't want to sound overly harsh but I genuinely think it is more of a case of you have no idea about networking and what you are doing. I hate to say it because I have always been a staunch advocate of people buying their own proper routers but in this instance I think you'll be better off returning your router and putting the shub back in router mode. The entire reason shubs exist is to provide a user friendly experience for non-tech savvy peeps like yourself.
I've provided the answer above.

ash45 18-02-2021 15:20
Re: Please Help - Modem Mode
 
this is a silly question but have you made sure your ethernet cable is plugged into Lan port 1 on the SH (not sure if this is still needed but it used to) and then LAN4/WAN on your TPlink as 1-3 wont work for WAN, then as pip mentions make sure under operation mode its in wireless router mode once that's set give it a reboot and it should then connect fine

Paul 18-02-2021 18:17
Re: Please Help - Modem Mode
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by LiamTG (Post 36071152)
I reckon that the TP-Link may just not be compatible with the Hub 3 which is naff as it costs so much.
Simply not true (I run a TP-Link Archer C7 just fine).

Perhaps you can find a friend who understands networks to help you.

tweetiepooh 18-02-2021 18:36
Re: Please Help - Modem Mode
 
OK put the SHUB in modem mode - you've done that. If you attach a PC to the SHUB it will get a public IP from VM and you are on line. You say you've done that so access to the internet now works.


I don't know about the router you are using but above has the details. Some routers also have a modem in for ADSL type connections, others don't. From above is seems that yours does but can also act as a wireless route. So attach your PC to the router and see if you can connect to that. Once you can do that you can do the above and go to "Wireless Router Mode". Reboot the router, can your PC still see the router? If yes now you can go about connecting the router to the SHUB.


Connect normal ethernet cable from port 1 on the SHUB to the WAN/internet port on the router. One one of mine it's coloured blue as opposed to the yellow of the LAN ports. Don't use the VDSL/ADLS port, this may have different connector anyway. If you don't have a WAN port it could be one of the LAN ports.


The SHUB will be on 192.168.100.1 in modem mode.


You want the router to act as DHCP server.

Synthetic 19-02-2021 08:00
Re: Please Help - Modem Mode
 
TP-Link needs to be in router mode, SH in modem mode.

WAN connection setting needs to be DHCP, you also need DHCP enabled on the LAN side but that should be set as default anyway.

Make sure you have the your cable from the WAN port on the TP-Link into the port nearest the coax on the SH.

My TP-Link is the VDSL version but the setting for the WAN is "Internet Connection Type" = Dynamic IP for DHCP ISPS, which Virgin will be.

EDIT: Also give your SH a reboot after you've set the tp-link up, i had to do this for my pfsense box to get an IP, not sure why, or if it'll be the same here but worth a shot

heero_yuy 19-02-2021 09:38
Re: Please Help - Modem Mode
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Synthetic (Post 36071235)
Also give your SH a reboot after you've set the tp-link up, i had to do this for my pfsense box to get an IP, not sure why, or if it'll be the same here but worth a shot
IIRC you get a different IP in modem mode compared to router mode.

Khenryashley 19-02-2021 11:19
Re: Please Help - Modem Mode
 
It also takes quite a while to obtain an iP address and start working.

LiamTG 19-02-2021 13:58
Re: Please Help - Modem Mode
 
Hi all,

Firstly I want to thank you all very much for your help and guidance regarding this issue. Whilst I was doing everything correctly thanks to you all I couldn't get any connection via the router.

I gave up trying! Then even though the Hub 3 was back in normal router mode the LAN cable connection to PS5 and TV would not pick up a connection. I broke it somehow. Anyway this afternoon I thought I would try one more time.

I simply plugged on the TP link, put the Hub3 in modem mode. Turned it off and connected the WAN to the Hub. I waited 15 minutes whilst it was all powered down. Turned it all on and hey presto it worked!

Once again thank you all!

Synthetic 19-02-2021 16:33
Re: Please Help - Modem Mode
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by LiamTG (Post 36071262)
Hi all,

Firstly I want to thank you all very much for your help and guidance regarding this issue. Whilst I was doing everything correctly thanks to you all I couldn't get any connection via the router.

I gave up trying! Then even though the Hub 3 was back in normal router mode the LAN cable connection to PS5 and TV would not pick up a connection. I broke it somehow. Anyway this afternoon I thought I would try one more time.

I simply plugged on the TP link, put the Hub3 in modem mode. Turned it off and connected the WAN to the Hub. I waited 15 minutes whilst it was all powered down. Turned it all on and hey presto it worked!

Once again thank you all!
Excellent!

gimpymoo 20-02-2021 09:33
Re: Please Help - Modem Mode
 
@pip08456 has given the correct answer.

All I can suggest is restart the Superhub a few times, if need be factory reset it then put into modem mode. I had to beat my Shub3 a few times to get it to do Modem Mode properly.

Even in "router" mode, the shub will still "work" if connected to the TP-Link if it is in Wireless Router mode.(Not desired, but it will work) It at least proves the Tp-link is working as it should.


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