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That is very true, and we all know Gove has form. However, that doesn't detract from the fact that maximum facilitation is the way to go.

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And he runs away afterwards. It's not as if he would actually do the job any better. None of them can.

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The politicians as a whole are a bad lot. The Tories are divided much as the country was at the Referendum. Labour are being for power by mocking the Tories without having an acceptable plan of their own. Both parties have difficulty in terms of their remainers in properly accepting the Referendum result.

The 52/48 vote was close enough to warrant a second referendum now that everyone knows what could happen in each of the scenarios. That said, Project Fear told everyone that leaving the EU meant leaving the institutions and Leave still won.

But unless there’s a binding vote in Parliament, we are leaving the EU and the remainers here should respect that.

One more thing, the remainers on the previous thread never challenged me on the facts I laid out about German hegemony and engineering the Euro to their advantage. Germany does not want that aspect of European order disturbed and we wouldbeqell out of that.

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I'm confused who is the person posting under the Cable forum name as opposed to the admin and mods I see with user names?

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It could be any one of the admins or mods but the post has laid down the rules of the thread which all members should follow and admins and mods will enforce.

They have their own section of the forum where they discuss and decide these things.

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That is because remainers can't see any fault within the EU. They think it should go on as it has, like one big happy family. The only reply they have is that we can't fix it when we are 'out of the club'. Problem is, it was never
planned to be fixed when we were in it. If the direction of the EU is tighter fiscal policy, with more control from Brussels, I wonder how long it would be until we would fall under those requirements. How long until our BoE loses more power? I sometimes wonder if our now devalued £ is perfect that if it was to all fail (planned that is). a simple adoption of the Euro would 'fix everything'. There is no telling what could happen in the next few years.

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The CF account is used by either Paul or Mick. It is used when either of the site owners wish to give the clearest possible directions about forum conduct at the highest level.

The idea is for members to engage exclusively with the contents of the post without getting hung up on the personality behind it.

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The idea of another new thread is to move away from the "toxic" atmosphere that has existed, pretty much since the Referendum result. The bad attitudes consist of "We know better." or "I told you so." and this has happened on both sides, those for Remain and Leave.

The discussion should now be focused on new avenues, this is not a directive to force people to have positive views on Brexit, there are those who just won't accept Brexit and the opposite to this is those who are 100% behind Brexit. There is bound to clashes and absolute differences of opinion. Rather than each side chanting at each other, there should now be some effort to meet each other half way.

Every body should want to see Brexit being a success. There is no denial from me that, the British Government needs to get their act together and strive for a workable deal with the EU, the EU also needs to work towards possible solutions, not taking cheap digs at the UK, which some EU officials have done, like Jean Claude Juncker, insisting the UK leaving the EU, 'will not be an amicable divorce.'

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the thing is only way can be a deal is if the uk government can agree on something that they want and if not it gonna be a no deal which will be very big disaster for us IMHO

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Brexit transition could be extended to help firms as deep divisions remain in cabinet.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...clark-suggests

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The Cabinet is united in most respects, but there are a few sticking points which are matters of detail and require careful consideration.

Something as complex as Brexit was never going to be done and dusted in a jiffy. Decisions made now will affect our trading relationship with the EU for a very long time so it is right to take time in order to get it right.

And when it comes to delays, the EU should not be let off the hook so easily. They have been less than co-operative, to say the least.

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They will agree a deal, Dave. The only reason Gove made the gesture he did in relation to the 'Customs Partnership' idea was that he knew he wouldn't risk his office by doing so. Despite some press reports to the contrary, Theresa May is not wedded to the idea of a customs partnership and she understands that this would prevent us from forging new trade deals. However, it is on the agenda for debate because some remainers within her Cabinet rather like that idea.

The only solutions available are 'maximum facilitation' or 'no deal'. That is the real choice. The EU doesn't want a 'no deal' because the EU has an €80bn annual trade surplus with Britain. So it doesn't really take a lot of brain power to work out the best option both for Britain and the EU.

Common sense will prevail in the end. :)

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Not sure that the EU would be happy for an extension unless the UK contributed to the EU budget and doubt Messrs Gove, Johnson and Rees-Mogg would be keen.
But if the Cabinet can't agree on Friday then I guess extending the road so that Theresa May can continue to kick her tin can down it is a possibility.