Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
ROFL
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/03...0_pi/comments/ " I Am the Anti-Phorm !! By MYOFB Posted Wednesday 19th March 2008 20:48 GMT https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2008/03/22.png My answer to the issue of Phorm is . . . If it comes to pass that BT, VM, CPW, et al implement their 'package' then I will personally Roger them all Rigid, whilst taking a 'Happy Slap' video on my mobile (which I will post to every 'social' website). When I'm hauled into court to face the charges of my perverse course of action, my Barrister (in my defence) will put forward this 'argument' . . . "How can you stand there before this court to complain of being shafted, publicly, by one man, when you yourselves have shafted millions, publicly, between you?!" "I ask the court to dismiss all charges herein based on these grounds!" Law Lords response . . . ? Case dismissed!!! " |
Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
The shares in Phorm still drop and this is an interesting post by one who sold today.
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A good read might have to sign up to read it but copyright will stop me pasting any here. http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/20/bu...gin&oref=login |
Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
Hi all, newbie in the forum here but this has just got my dander up that I had to add my voice against these clowns. Forgive me if I'm posting already rehashed information (and for a long post!), but I thought you might like to see the mealy-mouthed response I have just received from Virgin in answer to my complaint about their jumping into bed with Phorm. Clearly they just don't get it and more importantly, don't care! Thanks for letting me vent...
Thank you for your e-mail dated 18 March 2008 expressing your concerns about the recent speculation linking your Internet usage with ?Open Internet Exchange? and Phorm. We will soon be working with a company, Phorm, to provide some new online protection and enhancement features for our broadband customers. Phorm is the company behind an innovative new system called Webwise. Webwise helps give you a safer online experience by helping you avoid scam emails or websites, as well as making your online experience more relevant through advertising that matches your areas of interest. Webwise has been designed from the ground up to protect our customers' privacy and anonymity. As the system only learns about topics of interest, it does this anonymously, ensuring their privacy is completely protected. ? Neither the web addresses, nor search terms they use are stored. They are purely matched to an advertising topic and then discarded. ? Webwise doesn't store their internet (IP) address or keep track of their browsing. The system or advertisers won't know who you are or the websites they've visited. ? No personally identifiable information such as email addresses, surnames, street addresses, or phone numbers are ever gathered. ? No sensitive or personal financial information, such as credit card numbers, login IDs, passwords or bank account numbers are ever gathered. To reiterate, you won't be forced to use the system, and you will be given the choice to keep your internet experience exactly as it is now. As we get closer to launch we'll explain how this will work. Webwise only replaces ads with more relevant ads, customers do not receive any more ads and certainly do not receive pop ups. The customer?s privacy is totally protected, again to reiterate no personal information is collected and what we will track are search terms and URL`s visited, this information is not traceable back to the individual and is not kept or stored as unlike some other ad targeting technologies that already exist and utilise customer data. In addition, whole rafts of industry bodies and privacy experts have been engaged with regard to the implementation of ?Webwise?. We will be as transparent and upfront with customers as we can; giving them every opportunity of not participating if that is what they want to do. We are of course aware there are a number of `stories` being circulated, a lot of what is being touted is ill informed. I hope this reassures over any concerns you may have and clarifies our position regarding this issue. Please note if you reply directly to this e-mail your response will not be received. Kind regards Nathan Le Page E-Contact Team Virgin Media complaintType : cust_services complaintDetail : I have learned about your deeply misguided decision to sign up to Phorm. I find this a disgraceful abdication of your customers' right to privacy and request that you reconsider this policy with immediate effect. It is perfectly clear that the only beneficiaries to this are Phorm and Virgin Media, while the customers' privacy is blown open. Your disingenuous FAQs do nothing to alleviate the fact that you are cynically destroying a bond of trust between us and you. I am disgusted with your actions and will leave Virgin Media if you do not amend your policy. |
Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
While it's not a Phorm related article, the register has posted the details that VM is dropping the premium rate tech support line.
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you need to keep in mind, ITS YOUR DATA and your RIGHT to tell them what they can or cant do with it, NOT Theirs. you dont need to explain your reasons why they must follow your instructions, only that they do as you instruct, as per section this and clause that under the so and so act, and notify you in writing by return post, the actions they have taken to abide by your official Notice. if they dont act on your instructions and acknowlage your Notice, and infact do something silly like a email a link to some page, or a simple we are sorry for your complaint etc. dont worry about it, its NOT YOUR PROBLEM. after a set time limit has passed ( i forget 14 days,31 days or something , anyone clarify that?), you can then forward copys of your DPA Notice paper work to the Information commissoners office laying out your complaint of non compliance and have the DC act on the complaint. the DC's office can do several things, not least (but not limited too), remove/revoke the ISPS data processing licence, putting them up shitcreak as it were.... its in the ISPs or indeed any other data processing companys interest, to make sure they act on your DPA Notice or they run the risk of not being able to process your bill due to a revoked DC licence....;) as an End user/consumer you dont realise just how powerful a DPA notice can be, until now. and funny thing is, we probably would never have realised if it were not the the banks and their charges forcing the UK public to finally learn their right under the legislation. somehow i dont think the UKs ISPs can hope to finance any long term battle with the UK users, as they dont have anywere near the banks finantial clout etc. you have a choice, run away from the battle, or write those registered letters, its your choice to let them roll you over or not. :shocked::rolleyes::shrug::banghead::tiptoe::walk: weres Mr A when he's needed :erm: |
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which offers a little less spin. I doubt he's expecting the response he's going to get though... Still, it's a statement saying that nothing phrom phorm has been implemented. Of course, if you go to any site signed up to OIX (e.g. The Grauniad) you will wet oix and webwise cookies. Others here are keeping an eye out for signs of Phorm infiltration. We need to keep the anti Phorm campaign going. The ISPs won't retreat until they realise how this negative coverage is going to affect their brands and their income. |
Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
40 calendar days for DPA (or at least for Subject Access Requests, I would assume it is the same for all communications).
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Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
Sadly the Phorm share price is only down 6.58% today. We need another article or announcement from some official body/campaign group/website and then we can enjoy watching the stock price fall even further. I did email Liberty asking them if they had any comments or thoughts but so far have had no response from them.
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Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
I have just issued a data protection act letter to Virgin Media, 1 via registerd mail and 1 by email
Recived the standard we will get back to you email. Hi Mr ++++++++++++++++++++ Thanks for the email you sent to us on 20 March 2008. We're on the case and a member of our team will get back to you as quickly as possible, usually within 48 hours. Don't forget - if there's anything else you'd like to know, just log on to our website. It's at www.virginmedia.com Kind regards, The team at Virgin Media |
Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
I sent them an email about Phorm a few days a go and just got this reply
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It's innane - at the end of the months notice I will forward the original notice to them again and just cancel my DD. Typical telewest/virgin. What i'm not prepared to do is spend hours on the 'phone sorting this all out. |
Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
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by the same token, Virgin Media cant now sent you any valid official Notice by Electronic means eather, it works both ways and the only option they have right now, is the paper and post way. remember that, when they try and and use an Electronic pop up 'do you agree' type Explicit Consent form, its not valid. unless they (have)put the Electronic 'official Notice' option back in their T&C, they are stuffed. in which case you can again use Electronic Email to then send your 'official Notice' the other ISP users should go read your current T&C and check it for the same reason, perhaps they dont allow for Electronic Official notice eather..... |
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Don't just cancel your DD, that could cause more problems. GET the name of the person that you have spoken to, confirm that they have noted your account. Follow that upp with a letter, explaining you have requested that your account be terminated, the time and date you made the call, and who took it. See what that does. :) |
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it might also be wise to include a final notice, removing the ISPs right to collect,store,process or export any personal data in any way. its been said before, the accounts department do like to keep billing closed contracts accounts and then sending the credit reference agencys these non existant contracts/closed accounts defaults and without even sending a 'default notice' to these closed accounts..... you remove the right offically as their no longer contracted to do so , and your covered with a paper trail. |
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