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Hugh	15-01-2021 14:35

Re: Britain outside the EU

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Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36066743)

Good, it royally screwed up people who willingly worked overtime for the extra money they needed on minimum wage. The 'target' was those employers who forced workers to work long hours, but (again) the 'catch all' approach hit everybody. It also led to a rise in the much despised zero contract area, with Agencies supplying short term workers where a company couldn't use their own workforce to cover some situations.

Many workers got round it by doing two jobs, 8 hours shiftwork in a factory followed by a further 6 or more hours taxi driving or fast food delivery etc. Completely legal, yet made a mockery of the 48 hour crap.

Employees were able to "opt out" of the Working Time Directive (I did in nearly every job I worked since it came in - not to earn more money (fixed salary positions), but I regularly worked more than that).

https://www.acas.org.uk/the-maximum-...r-weekly-limit

jonbxx

15-01-2021 14:41

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Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36066743)

There was always the option to 'opt out' of the WTD restrictions (link) This does have to come from the employee, you can't be forced to opt out or be fired if you refuse.

My work contract says that my work hours are 38.5 hours per week but there may be times where it is higher. This covers travelling for example - flying to Shanghai is seriously going to eat into your work week!

Carth

15-01-2021 14:53

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OK you guys obviously know more than someone who experienced it, many thanks for your (office worker) input :p:

jonbxx

15-01-2021 15:49

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36066752)

My Belgian colleague had a sweet contract where any time spent outside his core hours spent travelling could be compensated as time off in lieu. I would have loved some of that action!

Hugh	15-01-2021 15:57

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Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36066757)

OK you guys obviously know more than someone who experienced it, many thanks for your (office worker) input :p:

My link was to ACAS - here is another link to the U.K. Government’s website saying the same thing

https://www.gov.uk/maximum-weekly-wo...and-opting-out

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You can choose to work more than 48 hours a week on average if you’re over 18. This is called ‘opting out’.

Your employer can ask you to opt out, but you can’t be sacked or treated unfairly for refusing to do so.

You can opt out for a certain period or indefinitely. It must be voluntary and in writing.

Example of opt-out agreement:

I [worker’s name] agree that I may work for more than an average of 48 hours a week. If I change my mind, I will give my employer [amount of time - up to 3 months’] notice in writing to end this agreement. Signed…………………………………… Dated…………………………………….

Workers who can’t opt out
You can’t opt-out of the 48 hour week if you’re:

airline staff
a worker on ships or boats
a worker in the road transport industry, eg delivery drivers (except for drivers of vehicles under 3.5 tonnes using GB Domestic drivers’ hours rules)
other staff who travel in and operate vehicles covered by EU rules on drivers’ hours, eg bus conductors
a security guard on a vehicle carrying high-value goods

Confederation of British Industry

https://www.hrreview.co.uk/hr-news/e...directive/1250

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The Confederation of British Industry (CBI) has spoken out in favour of the UK’s opt out of the European Union (EU) working time directive.

According to Louise Morgan, senior policy adviser in the employer and employee relations team at the CBI, the move means that staff have kept the right to choose their own working hours.

In addition, it means that firms have the flexibility to respond to peaks in demand, she added.

So, the Government think you can opt out, the Bosses think you can opt out, and the independent people who work with millions of employers and employees every year to improve workplace relationships think you can opt out.

1andrew1

15-01-2021 16:11

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Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36066649)

. . from the FT? Nah, they don't do anti-Brexit stuff do they?

Anyway, the route between Rosslare and Cherbourg must be cheaper and quicker eh ;)

This almost timeless Yes Minister take on newspapers may amuse. :D Not sure you would be allowed the punchline on TV these days.
https://twitter.com/RichardGlazer/st...86129335169028

Sephiroth

15-01-2021 19:26

Re: Britain outside the EU

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36066764)

This almost timeless Yes Minister take on newspapers may amuse. :D Not sure you would be allowed the punchline on TV these days.
https://twitter.com/RichardGlazer/st...86129335169028

Priceless - alongside the British Sausage speech.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJnA7ft8X0w

1andrew1

16-01-2021 09:58

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36066790)

Priceless - alongside the British Sausage speech.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJnA7ft8X0w

The post-speech interview is brilliant! :D

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Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36066757)

OK you guys obviously know more than someone who experienced it, many thanks for your (office worker) input :p:

No offence mate but could it be possible that your employer was misinformed, misunderstood or misrepresented the directive?

Angua

16-01-2021 16:30

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Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36066743)

Also avoided a load of NI payments if they worked for under the income level for several different employers.

RichardCoulter

16-01-2021 18:35

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The idea to build our own satellite nagivation system has been scrapped:

https://www.politico.eu/article/uk-s...place-galileo/

Wouldn't it be cheaper to pay to be part of the EU Galileo system?

Sephiroth

16-01-2021 19:36

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I have worked on Galileo and it was a bitter disappoint to me that the EU cut us off immediately upon the Referendum result. Immediately. It was an impressive technological venture. The only "but" was Blair's ambition to use it for pay-as-you-go road pricing and similar sly purposes. https://publications.parliament.uk/p.../1210/1210.pdf

OLD BOY

17-01-2021 19:55

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The opt out gives employees the right not to work more than 48 hours per week, but it does not enable anyone to opt out of the remaining constraints of the regulations, which can prove extremely problematic for employers.

Hugh	18-01-2021 08:08

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36067003)

The opt out gives employees the right not to work more than 48 hours per week, but it does not enable anyone to opt out of the remaining constraints of the regulations, which can prove extremely problematic for employers.

Could you provide some examples, please?

1andrew1

18-01-2021 13:59

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Car manufacturers, the music sector, Northern Ireland supermarkets...Brexit's not working out well for them. You'd think it would be working for fishermen who were cited many times by Vote Leave. It would appear not. The Scottish Fishermen's Federation sems to be having lots of Bregrets.

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Police slap Scottish seafood truckers with Covd fines for 'unnecessary journeys' as they descend on No10 - after fishermen vowed to dump tons of rotten fish on PM's doorstep over Brexit border chaos

More than 20 shellfish trucks are parked on roads near 10 Downing Street and Houses of Parliament today
They are protesting against post-Brexit bureaucracy that has stopped them exporting to European Union
Trucks have slogans such as 'Brexit carnage' and 'incompetent government destroying shellfish industry'
Fishermen have found European buyers rejecting stocks this month after introduction of more paperwork

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ng-Street.html

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Scottish fishermen have resorted to sailing to Denmark to land their catch as Brexit red tape continues to delay exports, an industry body has said.

The Scottish Fishermen's Federation, which campaigned to leave the EU, also said the Brexit trade deal was the worst of both worlds for the industry.

Many fishermen "now fear for their future", it said.

The UK government said the deal would "bring immediate gains to our fishermen and women across the whole UK".

Late last year, the Scottish Fishermen's Federation (SFF) said it was "deeply aggrieved" by the Brexit deal.

Fishing firms have also warned of impending bankruptcy as delays continue at ports following the introduction of post-Brexit regulations.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-55669168

OLD BOY

18-01-2021 14:16

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The fishermen need to stop protesting and just get on with the paperwork! If they don’t disclose what is required at the border, what do they expect?

The bigger companies are fairly confident that they are on top of this. If they are correct, the massive delays expected at the ports this week should not transpire, unless these small operators jam everything up.

Government help is available; they should take it and stop whingeing.

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