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So, now we have left the European Union. What now? How do we navigate our way ahead? How do we make the decision of the electorate work in practice?

Frankly, I am looking forward to making deals with all these other trading blocs around the world that are purely arrangements about trade and that don’t try to force you into some sort of political union.

Does anyone have any views on what our priorities should be? Personally, I think the next big deal should be with the US, and we need to bring in those free ports that the PM referred to a few months ago as soon as possible.

Should our farmers be gearing up to produce more now that we are free of the wasteful CAP? Which new markets should we be exploiting after the US?

So many questions...so many opportunities.

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I would like to see us develop a global agreement on services and believe it is achievable, I'd also like to see us ensure people caught evading tax through dubious avoidance schemes are properly punished

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Funny you should start this thread. As the previous one had closed (despite us officailly leaving the EU in January) I was considering starting one called 'England's existential crisis' but this will do.

Where does the identity crisis lead us next?

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Probably to a united Ireland and maybe an independent Scotland, still we knew that and are delighted to be waving them off :wavey:

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Why do you always have to try and get a dig in. :rolleyes:

We officially left at 11pm Dec 31st 2020 (because that was midnight in Europe). :dozey:

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There’s nothing mire amusing than seeing a media that done nothing but promote fear in regards to Brexit, trying to continue in that vein when there really isn’t anything to write about.

These are the BIG changes about to HIT Britons traveling to the EU

http://news.sky.com/story/brexit-wha...-deal-12157441

Which is basically no changes for most of and certainly no big ones.

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Here’s an amusing quirk of the new system:

I can’t help experiencing a little schadenfreude at those who have persisted in asking for EU number plates on their new cars. If you have one of these, even though it says GB on it, you still need a GB bumper sticker. On the other hand, if you have one of the sort that replaces the star-spangled blue rag with the union flag (which Europhile New Labour tried and failed to ban about 20 years ago) then you’re good to go.

Maybe the Mail on Sunday could do a commemorative re-issue of the GB/Union Flag overlay stickers they produced after Blair and the department of transport lost their court case against those who refused to leave their EU plates unmodified :D

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Of course the £350M per week to the NHS from next week will be a great help..... Unless of course it stays with the Tory cronies. Led by donkeys have released another great video on the momentus year......

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What if you own a French car, is it given priority treatment on the dark side of the channel?

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I believe they’re just as likely to be upended and used to build a flaming barricade as any other.

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Well, Mark Francois of the European Research Group says
Shouldn't we have been doing this research beforehand to inform our negotiations? This suggests to me that Phil Hammond's assertion "we are buying a notional right to diverge, which we will not use, at a very high economic price” may turn out to be correct. Before anyone mentions free ports - we've been able to do those within the EU and tried, but the economics don't add up.

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Think the OP should have asked all these questions and had the answers before he decided which way to vote !

Still we've taken back control, and given it to an incompetent bunch of millionaires. Will they be looking out for us or themselves? At least he nation's fishermen are grateful; the first of many to be let down/lied to.

Happy New Year btw :)

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New Year, New Thread, same negative posters :p:

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I look forward to any deals, with whichever countries/trading blocs, which will improve our economy and the living standards of our citizens.

Do we have any examples of prospective deals in the near to medium future?

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I started the thread because the transitional agreement has now come to an end, so we are finally free from the dictats of the EU. An occasion well worth celebrating, in my book.

Happy Independence Day!

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Same whinging drivel, wonder if they need their own mardy arse complainer thread.

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And happy independence day to you too Old Boy.

I look forward to the great levelling up that the Tories have promised us. Now with full powers, no Brussels bureaucracy we can forge ahead and fix the many problems in our country.

There's no European bogey man to hide behind and politicians need to step up and deliver.

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-55497084

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It already exists. It's called the US election thread. ;)

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The flood of illegals across the channel will not reduce but at least it'll be easier to chuck the buggers out.

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In all seriousness this is one of the key benefits of Brexit for me. Everything passed in Westminster (and Holyrood for that matter) is now on the initiative of our own politicians and not the result of a directive from a foreign bureaucracy.

Our general elections will matter in a way more profound than any in a generation.

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I say Good Luck to Brexit and I wish the four nations would get together and make it a success, for the United Kingsdom , but Nicola will do her best to upset the apple cart I expect,
Happy New Year to you all,

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It’s the opposite I am afraid. We’re no longer included in the Dublin Agreement;

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk...ings/cbp-9031/

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Yes but there's no blaming the EU for all that goes wrong now. We have sovereignty and there's only one place we can direct our dissatisfaction at. I hope Boris and co are ready?

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Unless, of course, they are like Clause 29 in the TCA, which gives the Executive the power to change existing laws without oversight by Parliament...

Executive Democracy rather than Parliamentary Democracy.

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Ugh uber cretin Mark Francois has resurfaced now those "allegations" have gone away

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Exactly as they own all the consequences now be them good or bad as they cannot blame the boogeyman anymore as the buck stops with them and them only.

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Which is exactly how it should be (and should always have been).

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I just hope things move on and am glad there is a deal.

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Here’s an amusing quirk of the new system:

So what if your plates have neither, like mine

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I'm looking forward to the resignations of Nicola Sturgeon & Ian Blackford.


Both have blinkers on and think Scotland is behind them, well they are with the cutlass pushing them along the plank.

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Before we joined the EU we were required to have a GB sticker if we took our car abroad. I remenber getting one from the RAC who also provided our Green Card.

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You will need a GB sticker if you take your vehicle into Europe, otherwise nothing changes.

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Have you seen their polling numbers? That's not going to be happening anytime soon.

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Is that perhaps based more on what you want to happen and less on what you think will happen? ;) Certainly, for the Scottish Parliament, the SNP is polling well ahead of the opposition parties. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinio...ament_election

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Fairly sure this isn’t new, when I was on a motorbike tour to Netherlands, Germany, Austria and Italy a couple of years ago my bike needed a GB sticker as it had ‘plain’ plates

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Yes, GB stickers have never gone away because only a minority of UK registered vehicles have ever displayed the approved blue rag within the number plate with GB overlaid. Cars with plain number plates have always needed a sticker. Technically cars with GB in the number plates alongside anything other than the blue rag needed a sticker as well, although I’m not sure how seriously enforced that was in EU states.

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The old British Establishment has a few aces up their sleeves for the run up to the election.

Fully expect the BBC (and others) to be upping the ante on covid in care homes, Salmond and potentially covid in schools.

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Heaven forbid that the party in power for nearly 14 years should be challenged on its record ...

Incidentally, and contrary to popular belief, a ridiculously large number of creative and news staff at BBC Scotland are raving separatists. I can assure you I have first hand knowledge of this. The idea that BBC Scotland is somehow biased against the SNP is nonsensical, and drawn entirely from nationalists’ incomprehension and rage against being challenged at all.

Whatever the arguments for separation, there is a significant portion of the nationalist movement for whom its an article of religious faith. To them, any form of challenge is bias.

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Nothing against holding parties to account - I'm only pointing out to Andrew that the May election is far from a done deal. That said if these things are newsworthy now it's certainly questionable from an ethical journalism perspective to hold on to them until pre-election.

While I'm sure all workplaces have a mixed crowd the impartiality of the BBC Scotland News editorial line is certainly open to question. As you say though bias, like beauty, can often be in the eye of the beholder.

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Rejoin campaign launches ‘EU ID card’ to ‘resist Brexit’s effects’ and ‘stay European’
THE newly formed "rejoin" campaign has launched an EU identity card to fight against the impacts of Brexit.

“Joining the campaign is in itself a declaration of your wish to be considered European and to apply to become an associate citizen of the EU.

“Once the campaign is large enough to gain wider attention, we will lobby the EU to create a formal scheme that we can sign up to.

Aw that's so sweet bless.



https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/13...-Boris-johnson

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Yeah, I wont be applying for one.

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But did Boris and co actually think it through? The buck now stops with them.

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I would have thought most remainers would have been in the "NO ID card" camp but happy to be wrong. Will the ID cards have Biometrics included?

All that aside. We have a section of the population who think that by producing their own EUID cards will persuade the EU to throw away their membership rules just to suit them.

Anybody know what they're on and can you send me a sample???

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Actually papa you've misrepresented this. The article does state:

Anyone can apply for EU citizenship as long as they meet EU requirements.
A non story really but laughable showing how gullable remainers can be.

Then there is a picture of a card which again is laughable.

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...1&d=1609541751

Seems a bit disjointed.

Just had a thought I can knock those cards out at the discount price of £1 each, free p&p. Anyone interested?

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I'm sure he will treasure it. If he wants I can do it on credit card sized plastic so he can put it in his wallet. £1 + p&p

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They could have at least designed a nicer card.

It does feel quite sad though, like children creating an imaginary world. People going around with these meaningless European ID cards as if they're anything other than a fake bit of plastic.

Their efforts would be better spent creating the reverse version of UKIP. A party which agitates for a referendum to join the European Union. They would get a head start with the numbers they claim are dedicated enough to spend money to indulge themselves in the fiction that they're still EU citizens with this little card.

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There’s got to be something worth investigating with the cards. Like Trump not conceding there’s money being made somewhere.

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I now know how my cat feels when he has been flead and wormed, ridding ourselves of 27 parasites is enough to make one feel giddy;)

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Interesting viewpoint from the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland.

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...6&d=1609588870

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Presumably these new rules include driving on the wrong side of the road. :D

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Certainly looks that way from the picture :D

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Well interesting and blatantly obvious, N.I. Finds itself in a unique position, truly the best of both scenarios and it’s citizens automatically British and EU citizens.

I know if there was a referendum on the N.I. Keeping the status quo would be what I would vote for if I was Northern Irish.

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I'm old enough to remember when England enjoyed those benefits too.

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Spain will decide who enters Gibraltar. Not the conventional defintion of taking back control, unless you're Spanish. ;)

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...-minister-says

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I’m pretty sure you’ve not actually read beyond the bit you quoted (or if you did, you didn’t understand it).

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He should get a job a Sky News with those editorial skills of taking a story and then changing it to Fit his narrative, very well done.

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Sky news Australia will employ him :tu:

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Nothing naughty happening. That wasn't there on the version I read. It was added later as the article makes clear at the end.

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So, no actual story then.

Spain’s “final say” occurs because the Frontex officers deployed to help Gibraltar integrate into Schengen will be Spanish ones. It’s their job to teach Gib’s own officials how to interpret Schengen rules. It is not their job to point at individuals arriving at Gibraltar Port or the airstrip and tell Gibraltar immigration officials to deny them entry.

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Gibraltar or the UK won't have access to the Schengen database so Spanish police officers will work behind the scenes hence Spain's final say claim.

Only the customs officers of Frontex will be public-facing. This is not a one-off training exercise to pass on knowledge to Gibraltans, it is a four-year contract which will either continue under Frontex or directly with Spanish officers.

The key benefit for using Frontex for now and not Spanish officers directly is that travellers arriving in Gibraltar are approached by agents in EU uniforms, not Spanish uniforms. After four years, Frontex members are anticipated to be replaced by Spanish officers. However, the agreement incorporates a consultation process which could extend Frontex's presence.

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It's a good job we didn't adopt the Euro. We'd have had to change all our money again as I don't suppose the EU would allow anyone to use their currency without being in the EU itself.

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https://www.ecb.europa.eu/explainers...europe.en.html

While there's plenty of good reasons to not join the Euro, and plenty of really good reasons to not to outside the EU either, the idea that we'd have to have changed currency isn't correct.

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Ageed.

As an FYI, Montenegro uses the Euro hut is not in the EU.

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All the others on the list are autonimous dependencies {or similar} of EU states.

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Interesting that, had we adopted it, we could have carried on using the Euro currency after we left the EU.

I imagine that the present Government would have wanted to stop using it though as a means to send a signal to the electorate eg blue passports.

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I would think we would have gone back to the pound in the same way we switched to decimal. You can't replace all the country's currency overnight.

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They inherited it because they were using the German Mark, which obviously got replaced by the Euro.
We were in Montenegro for a day trip last year, you could spend Croation Kuna there as well.

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Great country with a lovely combination of beaches and mountains and cheaper than Croatia.

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-left-rot.html

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GHIC now available

https://www.nhs.uk/using-the-nhs/hea...nce-card-ghic/

https://www.ghic.org.uk/Internet/startApplication.do

Same coverage as the EHIC

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-55622331

It begins.

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Just bribe them with a couple of Cod;)

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Revenge for all those high-paid jobs moving to the Netherlands? ;)

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IIRC The only risk comes from where the meat ends up in something like pigs swill.
The perverse thing about it, is that things like Foot and Mouth start off as being airborne and brought into the UK from mainland Europe(eg France), not the other way around.
Horse meat masquerading as beef, also came from Europe, along with Scrapie in sheep.
Whether food, people, or products, the risk is more FROM Europe, than from the UK. Which is likely to be safer, Eastern Europe or the UK?

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Is it? do these rules only apply to the UK ?


You wanted this, you don't get to cherry pick or complain when we are treat as any other country outside of the EU.

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It's not petty at all, rules are rules.

Just because there was a TV crew ready and waiting to film UK lorry drivers getting a slap doesn't mean it was orchestrated beforehand. ;)

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As per Seph’s response. Are we really to believe border officials are being this fastidious at the EU’s various non-UK entry points? This is petty point scoring, nothing more. I predict these border officials won’t be able to sustain this level of scrutiny for any length of time. Perhaps they were only able to sustain it for the duration of the TV crew’s visit.

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In other news, reciprocal medical treatment has now been agreed with the EU. Holders of a UK-issued Global Health Insurance Card (GHIC) will get the same cover previously obtained via the EU’s EHIC card. EU citizens will be covered on the same terms when visiting the UK.

HMG’s aim appears to be to have the GHIC act as the necessary proof of entitlement in all countries where the UK has reciprocal agreements, although this is not yet the case (presumably existing arrangements need formal agreement before they can be changed).

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55624240

Of course, there was never any doubt that arrangements like this would be made. Reciprocal access to state health services was not invented by the EU and is not unique to it. The UK has such agreements with 16 non-EEA countries.

Yet another remainer bogeyman shot in the head.

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They should do

https://ec.europa.eu/food/animals/an...nal_imports_en

as we have done for when we were part of the EU

https://flywith.virginatlantic.com/g...trictions.html

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Plenty of Dutch truckers around here, all we need to do is introduce full deep body cavity searches for Dutch truckers.

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I'm afraid Ben's links tell it as it is but the officers do seem a bit keen! Perhaps it was to make a necessary point as many have been carrying on as if we were still members causing delays and hold-ups.

A bit of background.

https://flipchartfairytales.wordpres...its-a-feature/

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To be fair, we Brexiteers had to grumble about pettifogging European bureaucracy for decades before we managed to secure and then win a referendum. I guess we just have to give the Europhiles their space to complain about it now.

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Time to move on. Nigel Farage who has been moaning for 40 years has stopped and accepted the deal.

You literally can't have your cake (or sandwich) and eat it! :D

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Here's a question, would they take these specific butters from you? Lurpak, and President? As these are made in Denmark and France

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The ham in his sandwich may have come from the EU;)

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More Bregrets from Scottish fishermen. Another nail in the coffin for UK remaining intact or just whingeing from those who should know better?

https://twitter.com/LochfyneLangous/...511874/photo/1

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Oh bugger we forgot to ask if Scott's could read and write so they could do the paperwork :omg:

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A lot more complex than the binary Brexit/remainer whingeing you appear to want it to be ...

There are delays implementing an IT system that issues documentation - from what I can find out, correct barcodes are key. This is a Scottish government responsibility. They might well (and not entirely unreasonably) say that the trade deal came so late that they need time to catch up. However, the Scottish Government and Marine Scotland very recently lost a court case against the Scottish Creel Fishermen’s Federation after unlawfully trying to put a moratorium on inshore trawling for shellfish. The Scottish Government may find it lacks motivation to hurry up and sort out creel fishermen’s IT woes. It may also find it is motivated not to do anything to smooth the implementation of the post-Brexit trade deal.

But of course we all know the SNP never does anything to create friction with UK government policies, so it can’t be that.

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At least they can spell and be grammatically correct...;)

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Do you have any proof of that.

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