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Hugh 11-06-2019 19:40
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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 35998716)
So, should are current serving forces or those such as the police, firefighters, paramedics also be issued with a free license ? Where exactly do we draw the line?

We have to have a bit of a reality check here, things such as free TV licenses and the winter fuel allowance need to move to being means tested.
Agreed, but the cost of means testing shouldn’t exceed the value of the benefit (which is why using Pension Credit or info available from HMRC (annual income below a certain level) may be the basis for eligibility).

denphone 11-06-2019 19:50
Re: BBC to scrap free licence fee for over-75s
 
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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 35998716)
So, should are current serving forces or those such as the police, firefighters, paramedics also be issued with a free license ? Where exactly do we draw the line?

We have to have a bit of a reality check here, things such as free TV licenses and the winter fuel allowance need to move to being means tested.
l am not against mean testing but it has to be a fair and reasonable system.

pip08456 11-06-2019 19:52
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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35998719)
l am not against mean testing but it has to be a fair and reasonable system.
Does such a thing exist?

denphone 11-06-2019 19:55
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Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35998720)
Does such a thing exist?
That is the vexed question as one would hope the system they deployed was fair and reasonable but that is not always the case.

1andrew1 11-06-2019 20:04
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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35998678)
the discussion shouldn't be about who gets what for free.

The issue is a state financed broadcaster were the population are forced to pay for whether they watch it or not.

It might have been a good idea 60 odd years ago, but time has most definitely moved on, and now is moving even quicker in regards to how the population consume their entertainment and news.

The licence fee model is outdated and not fit for purpose in this age.
You seem to be ignoring the thread title - it's about scrapping the free TV licence for everyone aged over 75.
Whether the BBC should be funded by the licence fee had been done to death on many threads before this one.

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35998717)
Agreed, but the cost of means testing shouldn’t exceed the value of the benefit (which is why using Pension Credit or info available from HMRC (annual income below a certain level) may be the basis for eligibility).
Agreed. No point in reinventing the wheel.

TheDaddy 11-06-2019 20:24
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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35998714)
They have put their life on ther line
What if they haven't put their lives on the line, there's a whole swathe that never set foot out of Germany their entire careers, I see more action on a friday night than most of them did, like most knee jerk populist proposals this doesn't stand up to any sort of scrutiny

Pierre 11-06-2019 20:40
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35998723)
You seem to be ignoring the thread title - it's about scrapping the free TV licence for everyone aged over 75.
Whether the BBC should be funded by the licence fee had been done to death on many threads before this one
Fair enough on that point of the thread, it’s a false issue. The free TV licences were a freebie thrown in by Brown for no reason, set at an arbitrary age figure. There is no basis for such a universal benefit, and if anything it should have been means tested when introduced.

I have no issue with it being removed.

On the second point, it may have been done to death but it needs to be addressed, and putting it in the file as “too difficult to bother with” doesn’t cut it.

1andrew1 11-06-2019 20:49
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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35998727)
On the second point, it may have been done to death but it needs to be addressed, and putting it in the file as “too difficult to bother with” doesn’t cut it.
No one says it's too difficult to bother with - it's just not this thread's topic.

Maggy 11-06-2019 21:06
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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35998727)
Fair enough on that point of the thread, it’s a false issue. The free TV licences were a freebie thrown in by Brown for no reason, set at an arbitrary age figure. There is no basis for such a universal benefit, and if anything it should have been means tested when introduced.

I have no issue with it being removed.

On the second point, it may have been done to death but it needs to be addressed, and putting it in the file as “too difficult to bother with” doesn’t cut it.
But not in THIS thread

Paul 11-06-2019 23:10
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Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35998649)
Why should those veterans in their 90's get anything free? Why should the generation that stood firm get anything for free?
Since the limit is 75, its not aimed at veterans, or any other profession, its just a completely random age.
Someone who is 75 tomorrow was born in 1944, so not really a WW2 veteran, unless they enlisted babies.

Mr K 12-06-2019 07:39
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Blind people only get 50% off! So why are the affluent never had it so good, current crop of pensioners whinging? All these freebies (bus passes, TV licences, concessions everywhere) are great if those paying for them atm will get them at that age. They won't.

Maggy 12-06-2019 08:40
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Well we will see what everyone feels when the retirement age reaches 70 or 80 as to whom is being unfairly treated. ;)

papa smurf 12-06-2019 09:00
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Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35998745)
Well we will see what everyone feels when the retirement age reaches 70 or 80 as to whom is being unfairly treated. ;)
Oh yes, these insanely jealous young un's will get to know first hand what being treated unfairly is like,and what a disadvantage old age actually is.:tu:

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35998743)
Blind people only get 50% off! So why are the affluent never had it so good, current crop of pensioners whinging? All these freebies (bus passes, TV licences, concessions everywhere) are great if those paying for them atm will get them at that age. They won't.
You're jealous of pensioners that's quite sickening.

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Originally Posted by Paul M (Post 35998737)
Since the limit is 75, its not aimed at veterans, or any other profession, its just a completely random age.
Someone who is 75 tomorrow was born in 1944, so not really a WW2 veteran, unless they enlisted babies.
The Nazi's still bombed them it wasn't all sunshine and lollipops.

nomadking 12-06-2019 09:50
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Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35998745)
Well we will see what everyone feels when the retirement age reaches 70 or 80 as to whom is being unfairly treated. ;)
If it had been based upon State Pension age, there would have been some sort of logic to the original decision.

The cost of the TV Licence will have already been factored into the Pension amount before the age of 75. As with other benefits/credits(especially child related) the cost of certain things has already been included in the amount they receive. Things like travel costs are much more variable between circumstances and are less easy to build into the benefit amount.

Paul 12-06-2019 21:45
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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35998748)
Oh yes, these insanely jealous young un's will get to know first hand what being treated unfairly is like
Pretty sure Im not classed as "young".

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35998748)
The Nazi's still bombed them it wasn't all sunshine and lollipops.
In June 1944 ? Nope.

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The Baby Blitz, was a strategic bombing campaign by the German air force (the Luftwaffe) during the Second World War.
It targeted southern England and lasted from January to May 1944.
Steinbock was the last strategic air offensive by the German bomber arm during the conflict.


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