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https://www.theguardian.com/science/...hocking-amount

What would it take for world leaders (and us) to take this seriously ? This is the biggest threat to our future security and prosperity, not ISIS, the EU, migrants etc.

Politicians just look ahead to the next elections, and we continue to vote them in. They'll have a token summit now and again, to which they'll all fly , to set targets which they have no intention of meeting. 'Flooding' - yes, we'll have to do something - soon all forgotten about.

The worry is that it is too late already, this is going to spiral out of control whatever we do, and we'll end up like our sister planet Venus (which is rather hot).

Anyway, have a nice warm day and maybe leave one of your cars at home...

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Not mention all other mechanical engines using fuels.

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http://www.theguardian.com/environme...-global-record
The warmest global Feb on record is followed by the warmest March.
To the next generation, all this waffle on the EU, immigrants and terrorists is going to seem piffilingly irrelevant. They'll ask why we didn't concentrate on the main threat, which it'll be too late for them to do anything about.

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Wonder what it'll do for migration when countries flood or or are in permament drought

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If records actually went back a lot further, I'm pretty sure a warmer February has happened long before now.

The climate has changed long before Man came into being and long before Man was around in large numbers. Otherwise we would still be in an Ice Age.

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The big Indian / Pakistani collapse of food production is not far off according to several "experts".

And the world's condition is not going to get any better whilst the West allows India and China to burn more and more coal to satiate the West's demand for so many things. After shifting production over there.....

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This is a meaningless trope that people bring out though. We do not want to live in an Ice age and the world, as far as we know, heated over thousands of years not 100 years. The truth is that the earth will probably be ok but our existence on it will be perilous if the climate changes radically.

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Lovely, let's hope it's a nice warm summer.

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And how do we "know" if it was a gradual incremental increase or jumps back and forth, a "two steps forward, and one step backwards" type of thing? To get to the Ice age in the first place, the planet had to cool down all by itself.

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I am not a geologist so I am forced to take their findings as they tell them. From what I know though it's to do with the formation of sediment and rock. They can tell how they were formed, under what conditions, and how long they took given a degree of leeway. They know for example when the asteroid that wiped out (or probably wiped out) the dinosaurs hit because of a sudden and dramatic but small layer in large rock formations.

The planet does cool down itself. There are a number of natural processes that allow this but which I don't understand. It's why they changed the name from global warming to climate change because the effect isn't even.

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The earth is circa 6 billion years old, we have accurate records of a couple of hundred years or so.

So we have accurate records for 0.000000033% of the lifetime of the planet and are trying to extrapolate the future from that. Good luck, I think there may a margin of error.

I'm not a climate change objector. The climate is changing, it is evident. Are humans influencing that change? Yes of course we are. How much are we influencing it? Well now that is the question.

The earth has been warming and sea levels rising for millennia. The are ruins of great ancient cities underwater around the globe, discovered below the waves way before man started pumping out large volumes of CO2.

Should we actively try to reduce our CO2? Of course we should, but neither should we disable our ability to compete globally by saddling ourselves with expensive electricity produced solely from "green" sources.

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It used to be all about Acid rain. But all the predictions were wrong and it was found that most of it originated from natural uncontrollable sources. Then it all switched to Global Warming and again the predictions didn't match.

Renewable energy sources cannot be relied upon. Just look at Venezuela.

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If only there was some form of scientific consensus, say, perhaps, something like 97% of Climate Scientists agreeing on the causes of Climate Change....

Fortunately, we have the plucky little oil and energy companies, who have no axe to grind whatsoever, to watch our back against the evils of those biased scientists...

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thats like 97% of rabbi's saying god exists [they would their job depends on it ];)

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There isn't scientific consensus. As you suggest there's consensus amongst those that already back the hypothesis.

I'm not an oil company.

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Are you a climate scientist :shrug:

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Many scientists could find employment if they came out with conclusions which helped the oil companies and indeed they do find jobs, just not the science.

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Well that's a nonsense isn't it? By definition if you exclude everyone who backs the hypothesis then you're going to be left with people who aren't part of the consensus.

However the scientific bodies that form part of that consensus are pretty qualified: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scient...ific_consensus they include the likes of NASA, the Scientific Academies of a lot of nations including the UK (Royal Society). Many organisations whose purpose is far broader than climate change so their jobs do not depend on it.

The skeptics don't produce much scientific evidence for their claims. I believe they've yet to produce any serious paper that refutes it. Most of the science which has caused climate scientists to revise their predictions comes from those who continue to back the hypothesis.

Most skeptic work comes from outside of science from people writing opinion pieces or editorals. It's the same as the vaccine nonsense a few years ago where you get one scientist/doctor say something and then an army of opinion-markers who take that and blow it up beyond all proportion to the scientific merit of their case. Bonus points if they dismiss the vast majority of scientists contradiction as part the establishment elite.

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Tchhh, what do they know?

It's not as if they've spent decades learning about and researching Climate Science, having their research peer-reviewed and scrutinised, working to advance fact-based information so we can understand more about the Climate.

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they spent decades falsifying data to fit the model if memory serves me correctly, that's why no one listens any more.


http://principia-scientific.org/nasa...te-data-fraud/

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/eart...ndal-ever.html

http://www.naturalnews.com/045695_gl...fic_fraud.html

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I wonder what happened to "the hole in the ozone layer" ?

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Do you actually want to know? Or was it meant to be a wise-crack? Cos a quick Google will tell you: http://news.nationalgeographic.com/n...hole-25-years/

Looks like deciding to do something about it worked. Yay Science.

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Ozone Recovery to Warm Antarctica?

Meanwhile, some scientists say the environmental triumph of a recovering ozone layer could have a troubling side effect: boosting global warming, at least in the Antarctic region.

science oh heck ;)

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Well nobody said it was easy. :cool:

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http://www.factcheck.org/2015/02/not...perature-data/ btw, Natural News? Whose other reports include -

Mandatory euthanasia coming soon to California so that medical industry can harvest organs from everyone right before killing them

CLAIM: Cell towers across the USA are broadcasting brain resonance frequencies to disrupt human minds, says former DARPA scientist

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[QUOTE=Hugh;35832908]http://www.factcheck.org/2015/02/not...perature-data/

Factcheck.org -- A Fraudulent "Fact Check" Site Funded By Biased Political Group

If you wanted to use a devious method to deceive people who are trying to differentiate between truth and lies on the Internet how would you do it? If you were extremely devious and had no conscience, you might set up a Web site with some official and unbiased sounding name that claims to be the encyclopedia of truth to be used as a tool for anyone who has the same biased view and wants to make believe to "back it up" with what they would like you to think is "indisputable fact."

http://www.matchdoctor.com/blog_1419...cal_Group.html

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That was what I was hinting at. A sort "Oh buggeration!" reaction by scientists when the figures came in.

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Why? The hole in the Ozone layer still have bad consequences so it's not as if we're being told to go out and spray as CFCs into the atmosphere to damage it further.

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Quite a few scientists backtracked a few years ago when some laymen pointed out that several months of darkness at the poles was bound to deplete ozone levels. Ozone is formed by the action of ultraviolet sunlight on atmospheric oxygen.

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No one knows for sure the consequences of it. It seem to remain a hypotheses without much data. I still don't understand the point though? Should we have ignored the hole in the Ozone layer?

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Think of how much all those weirdly brown caucasian people would've saved in tanning salon bills and fake tan had we kept on rolling with the CFCs!

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And the money people will save on installing swimming pools in their gardens if climate change really takes off.

Are tanning beds still around? I thought the government banned it after it turned out they were basically massive cancer delivery systems.

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[QUOTE=papa smurf;35832927]So a blog in a forum on a Dating website thinks they're biased _ sounds legit...:erm:

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Ignored? Perhaps not. But make it the big scare story that provided loads of "scientists" with full income for years and years? Often repeating each others' data over and over without ever really doing any real science?

Those that did the science (some decades ago) often got it wrong, or failed to truly evaluate what the data said. Hypothetical models were made and they still got it all wrong. Then satellites started to actually measure depletion.

And that had the soothsayers out in their droves. And the money went into thinking and not experimenting and measuring.

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Wonder what it would be like if this happened today

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Ice_Age

Would we have climate change scientists proclaiming the end of the World.

The climate changes quite regularly (Geologically speaking) and statistically the Earth is generally more warmer than it is colder.

The reason we had massive cold spots - certainly on the Southern Ice Cap is partly because of continental drift, making a big open area on the Southern Hemisphere, making it ideal for those conditions, in due course the continents will shift again and Antarctica will again be a tropical paradise, as it was a long time ago. (No doubt full of oodles of minerals too that will be harvested)

The reality is that we just don't understand why 'climate change' happens, and we should be wary of arbitrarily pointing the finger of blame at anything until we do.

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But it wasn't wrong. They were right. It's just they knew what caused it and there was considerable public demand for something to be done. So they all but abolished CFC gas. The fact it's now speculated that it may increase warming near the polls is an unfortunate result of the world not being perfect but they were not wrong at all.

Why do people expect branches of science to come fully formed? Aristotle is one of history's most famous scientists and he was wrong about motion but he was proven wrong by Galileo conducting experiments and not by the people later threatening to burn Galileo at the stake for saying the Earth wasn't the centre of the Universe. Darwin is famous for evolution and even though he got large parts of that wrong however idea was correct and the scientists which later contradicted him were set on that path by him.

It is unremarkable that science is sometimes wrong but that's the nature of something that exists on the fringes of things we do not know. It is much easier to look back and scoff at them being wrong before but we're not smarter than Aristotle just because we know the Earth revolves around the Sun.

Climate change will be proven wrong if people come up with evidence debunking it or proving it's been driven by another cause. The fact is that evidence has not yet emerged which is why skeptics resort to pointing out that science can be wrong. Science already knows that.

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Climate Change can never be proved wrong because the climate has always changed, all by itself in many directions. Plus whichever way something turns out, however contradictory, it is blamed on Climate Change. Eg Less ice predicted because of Climate Change, but more ice found but somehow is still due to Climate Change.

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Because climate is not weather, or building blocks of lego.

If climate is changing, it doesn't mean it's the same everywhere, it means there are major measurable effects, of different types, in different areas, over a period of time - we are talking about climate, not weather, and unfortunately people confuse/conflate the two things; weather is what conditions of the atmosphere are over a short period of time, and climate is how the atmosphere "behaves" over relatively long periods of time.

Just for the sake of argument, what if the 97% consensus of Climate Scientists are wrong, what's the worst that happened - we stopped polluting our planet as much as we do now, and some money was spent on providing alternate sources of power (which can only be good, as fossil fuels are needed to all the tech stuff we like, being hydrocarbon based, rather than being wasted creating electricity). If, on the other hand, they are right, we (or our children) are fairly screwed if we don't do anything about it.

I like to think of it as insurance - hope we don't need it, but if we do, we'll be glad we had it...

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https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2016/04/15.jpg

What would be the point that skeptics would be willing to work on the assumption it is happening and it is man-made? Because no single event will ever be proof of climate change and each time we get 'freak' weather events they will be dismissed as one incident not proving anything.

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so we shovel on the coal ,pour on the oil,get our massive industrial plants working to produce steel and plastics, wire, glass chemicals etc etc and with this we produce wind turbines -solar panels -batteries etc etc all in the cause of ending pollution ,we deploy our oil powered heavy machinery to install it all then start the whole process again to replace the worn out parts and we are still only generating a fraction of the energy we need at what point do we become green ?.and what do we do with all the broken crap we are left with when it breaks down it would be nice if we could run the world on fluffy bunny power but its not a reality is it .

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It was once consistently warm enough in Norway to grow grape vines and produce wine. Greenland was once Green, not white. The dramatic changes since then, occurred in recent history.

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Ahem...

https://www.skepticalscience.com/gre...o-be-green.htm Do you have a link re historical growing of grape vines in Norway, please?

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It was in a TV prog(BBC) about Europe from several years ago.

The whole planet warms up(Medieval Warming Period) and cools down again(Mini Ice Age) and obviously warms up again, all by itself without Man being involved.

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http://www.macleans.ca/society/scien...mcmurray-fire/
Current forest fires in Canada have been blamed on climate change. More carbon going into the atmosphere in a viscious circle.

Still, lovely warm day here and we can all have a good whinge about life threatening issues like EU membership. Have we got our priorities wrong?

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1976 Wonderfully hot (18.2), particularly notable as part of the whole summer, as high pressure dominated the British Isles. It was even hot in Scotland; Wauchope (Borders) reached 32.4C on the 2nd. Even Braemar reached 30C on the 8th. 27C (80F) was exceeded somewhere in the country every day from 22 June to 16 July. Heathrow had 14 consecutive days above 31C between 23 June and 8 July. Somewhere in the country reached the 90s (32C) for 15 consecutive days from 23 June and 7 July. The summer was quite poor in the Western Isles, however, as fronts coming around the high affected the far NW. Cheltenham reached 35.9C on the 3rd, the highest corroborated maximum.

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http://www.theguardian.com/environme...rature-records

April 2016 was the hottest April on record globally – and the seventh month in a row to have broken global temperature records.

Time to be worried, or too late to be worried ??

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It wasn't very bloody warm where I live :/

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Climate change has become a business with billions to be spent and made and as such can not be taken on faith. Is our climate changing I don't know anyone that would say it isn't but is it down to us pesky humans we cannot say to any degree of certainty.

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Likewise, snowed in last week of April.

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I can remember in about 1962-63 travelling from Maidenhead to Ascot in May time and there was several inches of snow in the fields.

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2016 Annual GWPF Lecture

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Very good - the Global Warming Policy Forum, who have refused to comply with FOI requests on who is funding them.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global...ritable_status

Meanwhile the planet continues to warm and extreme weather events become more frequent.

Some people will never be convinced until it hurts their own profits/house/family, which it will eventually.

I'm going to Venice next week, i'll be taking my wellies ;)

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As am I. I'll wear my 'Remoaner' t-shirt so if you come across me you'll recognise me.

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Mmmm yeah we really can with a pretty high degree of certainty; recent studies rate it at >99.9% that we're having an impact, with 95% certainty that we're not just influencing it but are the largest influence.

http://www.livescience.com/40006-uni...fographic.html
http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/science/1.585403
http://theconversation.com/99-999-ce...ew-study-29911

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It was presented to the Royal Society. That should give it a little extra weight. :erm:

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It was presented at the Royal Society not necessarily to them. I am not sure but it's not clear if this was a lecture presented to them at their invitation or if they simply booked a lecture hall. Also I am not sure this lecture actually has an accompanying paper they've submitted for peer review or if it's just a talk.

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Never mind. Looked it up. There was no Royal Society event, lecture or scientific meeting for the 17th October: https://royalsociety.org/science-events-and-lectures/

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https://www.theguardian.com/environm...droidApp_Email

Forget Trump, Brexit, murdered Russians, immigration etc. This is what we should be really be worried about. It is the major threat. The time seems to have passed when we could have done anything about it. Maybe that's why we're ignoring it. Silly us.

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its too late -glad i own a boat

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Repeat after me until you understand this - weather DOES NOT equal climate.

Weather is the next few days, climate the next few hundred years. sigh.

It ias already colder in North America, than at anytime during the whole of last winter

Or is that just a bit of cold weather and nothing to do with climate?

You need to read more - start here

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You better check it this morning.:sniper:;)

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Batten down the hatches. Barbara's on her way.:D

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Global warming during the 1990s was caused by sunspot activity, which raised the amount of solar energy received. The more recent spike was caused by El Nino and the temperature has declined again since then.

Also, we need to be skeptical of land based readings because they are not evenly spread and are skewed by increased developments in areas that were formerly countryside. Satellite readings are far more accurate and they are truly global. They show little change in global temperature, which is why the greenies prefer to ignore it.

It is also the case that the readings quoted by the greenies have been manipulated (sorry, 'adjusted') for various 'technical reasons' to help manufacture the case for a global warming scare.

This must count as the biggest folly ever, and it is at our considerable expense. Shame on the politicians who just blindly follow this mantra without properly having the claims the climate warriors make properly checked out.

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Why do I think the risk from global warming is being exaggerated? For four principal reasons.

1. All environmental predictions of doom always are;
2. the models have been consistently wrong for more than 30 years;
3. the best evidence indicates that climate sensitivity is relatively low;
4. the climate science establishment has a vested interest in alarm.

Yes, Ramrod, but don't forget the most obvious fact of all.

The amount of carbon in the atmosphere varies between 0.03% and 0.05%. It currently stands at 0.04%.

Which rather indicates that if even if global warming is happening, it's not the result of the amount of carbon we are putting out there. The excess is being absorbed by the vegetation and the oceans.

It's about time the powers that be started asking some sensible questions of these so called climate experts.

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Like why is the Arctic ice all but disappearing ? And why do you keep trying to harm my share portfolio and chances of re-election ?

A lot of people have the head in the sand and spout 'facts' supplied from those with vested short term interests. The Sunspots etc, have being going on forever but the world is warming, much faster than ever before, that is a fact. If anybody think humans haven't influenced this they are deluded. Only when the water is coming through their doors will they think it affects them. Even then it'll somehow be the fault of EU, Brexit, Corbyn or too many immigrants weighing the land down...

Have a nice stormy Christmas; fortunately I live on high ground...

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but not quite the moral high ground ;)

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It's happened before:

Source

Link for Danish teams paper

Link for Swedish teams paper

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No, I've already explained why human activity is unlikely to be the cause, and I've also pointed out that satellite temperature readings do not verify the claims of the dodgy sensationalists.

Even if it was happening, why are you so convinced that we are the cause? Did anyone blame the mini ice age in the 1600s on man? Warming was going on at the end of the ice age and the pollution from the industrial revolution period (which was smoke rather than clear carbon) could have prevented a quicker recovery as the sun was blotted out more. Now, with clearer air, the recovery could be continuing now. What is more, it has been warmer than it is now in the past (well before the mini ice age).

But that could explain the warming trend if it existed.

As far as the melting ice caps are concerned, you forget (or maybe never knew) that Greenland was free of ice centuries ago (hence its name). The reason the ice caps are melting appears to be the result of changing ocean currents, which have led to warmer waters undermining the ice from the bottom.

This is an extremely complex subject, and for people to explain it all rashly by saying it's all our fault are not paying attention, or alternatively, they are making a lot of money out of it.

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Yes, that is why all those rich scientists are trying to keep down the impoverished Oil companies.... ;)

When 97% of doctors say there is a problem, we believe them.
When 97% of engineers say there is a problem, we believe them.
When 97% of Climate Scientists, who have spent their lives studying this very complex issue, say there is a problem, suddenly they are in it for the money... :erm:

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Which is why the government and others listen to scientists who study it rather than writers who've read a bit a bit about it.

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Unless it's MMR. Then people knew better than the 'so-called' doctors.

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You do know, don't you, that there is nowhere near those levels of unanimity amongst scientists. Many disagree but are afraid to speak out.

A meteorologist friend of mine questioned the global warming argument at his work some years ago, pointing out that there were other factors involved. He was warned off pursuing those arguments by a like minded senior professional who told him that if he valued his career he should stop arguing against it because there was a bandwagon going that could not be stopped, regardless of the facts.

I have also read of the threats and name calling that people who should know better have used against people who have challenged the global warming theory. Behaviour, I think, that smacks of the bully not having any answers to those challenging his aggression.

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This is the same argument creationists use against evolution. That actually many evolutionary scientists question evolution but they can't speak out because they'll lose their careers. We can't really base our assumptions on unproven, 2nd hand, allegations though.

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There is amongst Climate Scientists.

I may take into consideration what an Automotive Engineer says about buildings, but I'm more likely to give credence to a Structural or a Civil Engineer.

http://climatology.co.uk/climatology...y#.WFmCCIDfWfA

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You seem to be (intentionally) missing the point - the 1st two groups don't depend on scaremongering for their incomes.

The latter group ONLY get funded if people believe their demonstrably false (over 20+ years now) "climate models".

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Proven "demonstrably false" by people funded by energy companies, so totally unbiased, then?

They get funded to produce peer-reviewed papers and findings, not to back up others - it's how the scientific method works...

You may as well accuse the CERN scientists of only pursuing their research to earn money - if they wanted to earn good money, they would work for Big Oil...

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No, demonstrably false as in

1. Look at their predictions
2. Look at what actually happened

That was easy wasn't it.

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Yes, well it's the climate scientists who have vested interests that depend on the man made warming theory for their livelihoods and/or profits.

Did you miss the bit where I talked about the amount of carbon that has been absorbed into the atmosphere? It's exactly where it should bs. So we are responsible...how? :shrug:

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Climate Change Denier Conference

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/local/2016/12/4.jpg

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Oh l don't know Mr K as the best example of that would be your good self old boy.;):D

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how can there be sand to bury heads in when sea levels have allegedly risen so much ;)

that looks more like a remoaner conference .

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No reply from the "warmists"?

Obviously not, as all the dire predictions for the humongous increases in global temperature, SIMPLY HAVEN'T HAPPENED.

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Difficult to know how much evidence some want. They cling to the 'evidence' sponsored by those with vested interests for some reason.

https://royalsociety.org/topics-poli...idence-causes/

Even if you don't believe scientists, unless the laws of physics have changed, the rapidly disappearing Artic ice should be a clue. Or the increasing regularity of extreme weather events. Another storm on the way today..

BTW I suspect the earth is flat too. Stands to reason. This round theory is a massive lefty conspiracy...

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You and other warmists continue to ignore the central question that I posed. It is quite simple. If the amount of carbon absorbed into the atmosphere remains at normal levels (between 0.03% and 0.05% of the atmosphere) - and we are currently at 0.04% in case you weren't paying attention - then where is the link with man's activity?

Why do you continue to spout the mantra without looking at all the facts for yourself? That one statistic - 0.04% - blows the 'man made climate change' theory out of the water.

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Look at the temperature and CO2 since the industrial revolution OLD BOY, spot anything ?

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/local/2016/12/3.jpg

Its tricky, might be one for Sherlock....

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Yes, the warmists much prefer to use PPMs (parts per million) because it makes very small fluctuations look much bigger. We are currently well within parameters and therefore NOT responsible for any temperature changes globally that MAY occur.

It will be interesting to hear what the climate guys say when the little blip on the carbon readings take a downward turn. I expect they will find a way to claim credit for that!

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The continuing rapid increase in carbon dioxide concentrations during the past 10-15 years has apparently been unable to overrule the °attening of the temperature trend as a result of the Sun settling at a high, but no longer increasing, level of magnetic activity. Contrary to the argument of Lockwood and FrÄohlich, the Sun still appears to be the main forcing agent in global climate change.

http://www.populartechnology.net/200...s-climate.html

Re: Climate Change - record World temp. rises in Feb.
 

Just to clarify, though, for those not really paying attention, there has been no 'rapid increase in carbon dioxide' as claimed. We are well within normal parameters.

If warming is actually taking place then solar energy levels are a much more likely explanation.

Re: Climate Change - record World temp. rises in Feb.
 

Here's a much better graph, perfectly demonstrating the total FAIL that is the global warming hoax.

For those who have difficulty comprehending facts, the dots along the bottom are the ACTUAL temperatures as observed, the crap above them are the forecasts by the doom-mongers.

Nuff said.

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/local/2016/12/1.png

Re: Climate Change - record World temp. rises in Feb.
 

The graph looks a bit a mess to me ! A very short time period compared to the 150 year one above, and its still showing a rise. There are others saying warming is happening faster than ever predicted... Worryingly its at the poles where the temp. increases are greatest.

However, even if you believe non of this, believe the evidence of your own eyes. Are extreme weather events becoming more regular e.g. flooding/storms? Snow becoming less common?

I can understand those with vested interests dissing climate change. However there seems to utter denial from others who need to swallow their pride and admit they are wrong, and that we desperately need to do something radical soon.

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Well, Mr K, I notice you still haven't explained why it's our fault, given that carbon absorption is well within the normal variable parameters.

The fact that you didn't comprehend that graph speaks volumes.

Re: Climate Change - record World temp. rises in Feb.
 

I would like to wish our Scottish friends a safe couple of days with two storms hitting you. May your Christmas not be disrupted.

Re: Climate Change - record World temp. rises in Feb.
 

We would all hope that people in the north are safe, but don't forget that storms have battered this part of the UK at this time of year since forever! Nothing to do with the alleged global warming.

Re: Climate Change - record World temp. rises in Feb.
 

Its CO2 levels and the undeniable increases in temperature you need to be looking at OLD BOY..... Carbon absorption within whose parameters for what? Its obviously not an effective measure of climate change.
What evidence would you accept, when the water comes through the door, or when it gets to the ceiling might you think something was up?

Guess we'll have to disagree but its by far and away the biggest threat facing us. Forget trivialities like Trump, Brexit, immigration etc. All those we can do something about. Its getting to the point, or maybe already past it, where where we can do anything about the climate. However we should try.

Re: Climate Change - record World temp. rises in Feb.
 

Still in denial eh? I believe you know exactly what that graph says but just can't bring yourself to admit.

Still let's humour you one more time

the mess of lines is the forecasts from all of these expert climate scientists you fervently believe in like it's a new religion. The black line is the average (alright mean but who's quibbling) of them all.

The blobs at the bottom are what mother nature actually did - inclusive of any influence we did or didn't have.

Even you can see that reality and your fantasy land are diverging at an ever increasing rate.

My 5 year old grandson can see the lines don't match.

There is no possibility of denying that the climate models plain and simple are WRONG.

If you try and hindcast with your models, it's even more ludicrous.

Re: Climate Change - record World temp. rises in Feb.
 

Oh dear keep referring back to the photo I posted earlier. :banghead:

Found where your graph has come from now - Dr Roy Spencer...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_Spencer_(scientist)
If the Lord is going to save us, then fair enough.

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Arctic heatwave could break records - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-38417198
Santa is going to trouble with his sleigh.... The evidence keeps mounting up.

Re: Climate Change - record World temp. rises in Feb.
 

ho ho ho little boy i'll still make it to your house to deliver your worry beads ho ho ho merry xmas - turn that heating down woman it roasting in here ;)

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I think you're missing something, Mr K. We have been talking exactly about these two points.

What you haven't grasped is that there are no increases in CO2 levels that are outside normal parameters.

This should indicate that IF global warming is happening, it is not down to man.

Re: Climate Change - record World temp. rises in Feb.
 

Thinking your missing/ignoring the chart I posted earlier showing the increase in CO2 levels and the corresponding increase in temperatures over the last 150 years. CO2 increases within whose normal parameters?

If the increases in temperature are a natural phenomenon why is it happening at a faster rate than ever before? And why does it exactly oincide with the increases in carbon emissions since the Industrial Revolution? Hell of a coincidence.

Re: Climate Change - record World temp. rises in Feb.
 

If it was CO2 in isolation I suppose all the climate change deniers might have a point. You do however have to look at the wider picture - NOx, hydrocarbons (methane) and where the GHG's are realised have an important impact on climate change. It makes me smile when those that deny the change are also the ones unwilling to change their ways ( coincidence?) but will also be the most vocal when the climate gives them a good slapping. As Mr K says our climate is changing and we should ignore it at our peril.

The bankers refused to acknowledge bad times were coming despite all the warnings and the climate change deniers are no better.

Cheers

Grim

Re: Climate Change - record World temp. rises in Feb.
 

Nice try at deflection.

It is irrelevant who produced the graph, now back to these 2 troubling (for you) items

1. The forecasts are your beloved climate scientists guesses
2. The actuals are what mother nature is doing

I notice no attempt whatever by you to state that either of these two things aren't true.

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Not in The Sahara apparently :D

..and that Global Temps Falling Fast

Re: Climate Change - record World temp. rises in Feb.
 

You need to be looking at a slightly longer timescale than a few months !
https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/local/2016/12/4.gif
http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs_v3/

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Major flooding in UK now likely every year, warns lead climate adviser

https://www.theguardian.com/environm...y_to_clipboard

Good to see the Govt. is on top of things. Govts., of whatever colour, only seem to be interested when flooding is actually happening and costing votes. Inbetween times budgets slide. They need to take a slightly longer outlook.