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alwaysabear 03-08-2017 13:59
Re: Confirmed: linear is old tech - on demand is the future
 
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Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth (Post 35910576)
But how can you join in the twitter debate when you're watching on demand? The broadcasters aren't as daft as you think - they'll find ways of keeping live television and the advertising revenue it generates. Social media (and ironically the 'youngsters' who use it) will save linear.

Cheers

Dave
I have four children between 33 and 25, none of them watch linear TV except my 25 year old son who only watches live sport (NFL). Like me cannot stand watching sport unless its live.

OLD BOY 03-08-2017 15:26
Re: Confirmed: linear is old tech - on demand is the future
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth (Post 35910576)
But how can you join in the twitter debate when you're watching on demand? The broadcasters aren't as daft as you think - they'll find ways of keeping live television and the advertising revenue it generates. Social media (and ironically the 'youngsters' who use it) will save linear.

Cheers

Dave
I see no conflict. Just stream live if you want to see live events. Watch new on demand shows as soon as they are added. There will be much more live stuff streamed as time goes on. BBCi-Player does this already.

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Originally Posted by alwaysabear (Post 35910587)
I have four children between 33 and 25, none of them watch linear TV except my 25 year old son who only watches live sport (NFL). Like me cannot stand watching sport unless its live.
Live sport will probably be the norm on Netflix and Amazon before long.

denphone 03-08-2017 16:10
Re: Confirmed: linear is old tech - on demand is the future
 
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35910570)
It is reported that 76% of young people subscribe to streaming services but only 19% of us oldies, Den, which probably explains why there is so much scepticism from the older generation that conventional TV channels will wither on the vine.

In 20 years' time, these 16-24 year olds will be 36-44, and thus it is straight forward to see how this will play out.

My grandkids are so used to on demand viewing that they give me a funny look if on a rare occasion I'm on live tv and I have to tell them I can't fast forward!

http://www.a516digital.com/2017/08/b...ill-watch.html
Still putting the positive spin on everything l see...;)

OLD BOY 03-08-2017 16:15
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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35910609)
Still putting the positive spin on everything l see...;)
Just sayin', Den. Just sayin'.

denphone 03-08-2017 16:18
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35910610)
Just sayin', Den. Just sayin'.
Free speech is very much welcome OB despite some protestations from some on here..;)

alwaysabear 03-08-2017 18:53
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Live sport will probably be the norm on Netflix and Amazon before long.[/QUOTE]

Maybe, maybe not.

denphone 03-08-2017 18:58
Re: Confirmed: linear is old tech - on demand is the future
 
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Originally Posted by alwaysabear (Post 35910657)
Live sport will probably be the norm on Netflix and Amazon before long.



Nowhere near as much sport as OB imagines though.;)

GrimUpNorth 03-08-2017 19:53
Re: Confirmed: linear is old tech - on demand is the future
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35910597)
I see no conflict. Just stream live if you want to see live events. Watch new on demand shows as soon as they are added. There will be much more live stuff streamed as time goes on. BBCi-Player does this already.
Is there really any difference between a live stream and a linear channel? What's to stop the broadcaster putting commercial breaks in a live stream?

Cheers

Dave

OLD BOY 04-08-2017 17:04
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Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth (Post 35910675)
Is there really any difference between a live stream and a linear channel? What's to stop the broadcaster putting commercial breaks in a live stream?

Cheers

Dave
Nothing at all.

OLD BOY 07-08-2017 09:00
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Interesting article here on content protection, which did make me wonder why Virgin Media don't set up their own, more comprehensive version of TV Player, or even their own version of Now TV, relaying all the channels they currently offer to cable customers on a subscription basis. This would assist tremendously in bolstering income from the TV side of their operations, I would have thought.

http://advanced-television.com/2017/...one-stop-shop/

tweetiepooh 07-08-2017 12:43
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Problem with pay to view is how to attract new audiences. If it's a pay per view then you can watch again if say you power goes off midway and pay to view (buying it to keep) can be very expensive. Some prices are much higher than buying the DVD, much, much higher if you can get 2nd hand DVDs.

Maybe you put episode 1 out free then charge for the rest, or release episodes to subscription with option to buy early. Possible on subscription for limited time then need to buy it. Lot's of choices.

And many of the schemes disadvantage poorer elements of society. Or those who don't have fast broadband. The license fee is understandable, "fixed" and pays for both content and delivery. I have Netflix and Amazon Prime as subscription and VM for additional delivery and content. All of these are "fixed" cost, I don't use PPV as it's too expensive and I don't need it.

OLD BOY 07-08-2017 13:12
Re: Confirmed: linear is old tech - on demand is the future
 
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Originally Posted by tweetiepooh (Post 35911194)
Problem with pay to view is how to attract new audiences. If it's a pay per view then you can watch again if say you power goes off midway and pay to view (buying it to keep) can be very expensive. Some prices are much higher than buying the DVD, much, much higher if you can get 2nd hand DVDs.

Maybe you put episode 1 out free then charge for the rest, or release episodes to subscription with option to buy early. Possible on subscription for limited time then need to buy it. Lot's of choices.

And many of the schemes disadvantage poorer elements of society. Or those who don't have fast broadband. The license fee is understandable, "fixed" and pays for both content and delivery. I have Netflix and Amazon Prime as subscription and VM for additional delivery and content. All of these are "fixed" cost, I don't use PPV as it's too expensive and I don't need it.
Yes, I'm not a great lover of pay per view. It's very expensive unless you only use it occasionally.

I would always go for subscription services where there is sufficient good content to justify it.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by alwaysabear (Post 35910657)
Live sport will probably be the norm on Netflix and Amazon before long.
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35910613)
Maybe, maybe not.
Perhaps when Amazon wins the major share of Premiership matches, you might begin to have second thoughts about that, Den. And when you see the lower prices they offer, you might even welcome it. :)

denphone 07-08-2017 13:54
Re: Confirmed: linear is old tech - on demand is the future
 
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35911199)

Perhaps when Amazon wins the major share of Premiership matches, you might begin to have second thoughts about that, Den. And when you see the lower prices they offer, you might even welcome it. :)
You do have some vivid dreams sometimes OB as if you think that is going to happen then your crystal ball is full of grandeur and delusion.;)

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35911199)
Perhaps when Amazon wins the major share of Premiership matches, you might begin to have second thoughts about that, Den. And when you see the lower prices they offer, you might even welcome it. :)
Lower prices now you do have your rose tinted glasses on in your ivory tower OB.:nono::nono:

OLD BOY 07-08-2017 14:03
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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35911217)
You do have some vivid dreams sometimes OB as if you think that is going to happen then your crystal ball is full of grandeur and delusion.;)

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Lower prices now you do have your rose tinted glasses on in your ivory tower OB.:nono::nono:
I have been reading a number of items recently about the likelihood that Amazon may start bidding next time around, so I don't know why you are dismissing this out of hand, Den.

As for pricing, I can understand your scepticism, given the cost of securing the rights, but Amazon is a global player with big pockets and can afford to put in a bid that would outflank Sky. I believe that they would gain more viewers with lower prices and probably combine subscriptions and offers with other parts of their business to maximise viewing audiences. They would be able to sell on some of the matches to other platforms/channels to increase their revenue.

Why would you not welcome such an outcome, Den?

denphone 07-08-2017 14:11
Re: Confirmed: linear is old tech - on demand is the future
 
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35911224)
I have been reading a number of items recently about the likelihood that Amazon may start bidding next time around, so I don't know why you are dismissing this out of hand, Den.

As for pricing, I can understand your scepticism, given the cost of securing the rights, but Amazon is a global player with big pockets and can afford to put in a bid that would outflank Sky. I believe that they would gain more viewers with lower prices and probably combine subscriptions and offers with other parts of their business to maximise viewing audiences. They would be able to sell on some of the matches to other platforms/channels to increase their revenue.

Why would you not welcome such an outcome, Den?
A outcome highly unlikely to happen and if it did the customer would be paying more not less.


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