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Julian 04-04-2020 22:01
Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader
 
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36030434)
Sad times in CCHQ with their multiple election-winner stepping down in favour of Sir Keir. ;)
I doubt that.

People will be reminded that starmer is a scumbag who happily tried to defy the will of the people.

he aint no sir to me

Sephiroth 04-04-2020 22:17
Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader
 
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Originally Posted by Julian (Post 36030440)
I doubt that.

People will be reminded that starmer is a scumbag who happily tried to defy the will of the people.

he aint no sir to me
Much value in what you've said. An acid test as to whether or not he is double bad is inclusion of Corbyn into his shadow cabinet.

Angua 05-04-2020 08:36
Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader
 
The more things change, the more they stay the same.

Those who would never vote Labour anyway, still have their excuses for not doing so.

Hugh 05-04-2020 09:27
Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader
 
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36030441)
Much value in what you've said. An acid test as to whether or not he is double bad is inclusion of Corbyn into his shadow cabinet.
Honest question - why do you keep raising this?

I haven’t seen it reported anywhere.

Sephiroth 05-04-2020 09:42
Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader
 
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36030458)
Honest question - why do you keep raising this?

I haven’t seen it reported anywhere.
Taking it as an honest question:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...w-cabinet-role

... and why shouldn't I raise this as often as context allows?

jfman 05-04-2020 09:45
Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader
 
Starmer could probably live without all the antisemitism questions. That said, as the Chancellor is pretty much bankrolling the economy for the foreseeable, it'd be useful to keep some socialist faces around - they're the experts in the subject matter after all.

Sephiroth 05-04-2020 09:58
Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader
 
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36030462)
Starmer could probably live without all the antisemitism questions. That said, as the Chancellor is pretty much bankrolling the economy for the foreseeable, it'd be useful to keep some socialist faces around - they're the experts in the subject matter after all.
Ugh to your remark above.

Did you all notice? Starmer said that this isn't the time to play politics, cross-party cooperation must be the way forward.

He promptly plays politics by saying prominently that the government has made serious mistakes.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52169648

Whether or not he is right or wrong, this is political games being played rather than getting down to cooperation with the Guvmin. Not surprising - he's got to bite on something but it's a pity. He could have said "I'm not going to attack the government for their handling of matters to date - I simply want to put the Labour party at the disposal of efforts to get rid of this disease".

jfman 05-04-2020 10:04
Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader
 
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36030463)
Ugh to your remark above.

Did you all notice? Starmer said that this isn't the time to play politics, cross-party cooperation must be the way forward.

He promptly plays politics by saying prominently that the government has made serious mistakes.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52169648

Whether or not he is right or wrong, this is political games being played rather than getting down to cooperation with the Guvmin. Not surprising - he's got to bite on something but it's a pity. He could have said "I'm not going to attack the government for their handling of matters to date - I simply want to put the Labour party at the disposal of efforts to get rid of this disease".
The Opposition can't do anything to get rid of the disease.

What you are asking for is the opposition to simply stop and agree with everything the Government does regardless of how bad it may be. Sounds more communist than socialist now you phrase it like that.

It can hardly be 'political games' to hold the Government to account during the biggest public health crisis of our lifetimes.

Sephiroth 05-04-2020 10:46
Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader
 
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36030465)
The Opposition can't do anything to get rid of the disease.

What you are asking for is the opposition to simply stop and agree with everything the Government does regardless of how bad it may be. Sounds more communist than socialist now you phrase it like that.

It can hardly be 'political games' to hold the Government to account during the biggest public health crisis of our lifetimes.
It's the way that you do it. Behind the scenes is a good start.

Pierre 05-04-2020 10:46
Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader
 
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36030465)
The Opposition can't do anything to get rid of the disease.

What you are asking for is the opposition to simply stop and agree with everything the Government does regardless of how bad it may be. Sounds more communist than socialist now you phrase it like that.

It can hardly be 'political games' to hold the Government to account during the biggest public health crisis of our lifetimes.
Holding to account ......yes, Monday morning quarterbackey........no

1andrew1 05-04-2020 10:47
Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36030463)
Ugh to your remark above.

Did you all notice? Starmer said that this isn't the time to play politics, cross-party cooperation must be the way forward.

He promptly plays politics by saying prominently that the government has made serious mistakes.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52169648

Whether or not he is right or wrong, this is political games being played rather than getting down to cooperation with the Guvmin. Not surprising - he's got to bite on something but it's a pity. He could have said "I'm not going to attack the government for their handling of matters to date - I simply want to put the Labour party at the disposal of efforts to get rid of this disease".
An independent opposition is part of the checks and balances every democracy needs. If Sir Keir feels the Government has made mistakes, he should be able to say so publicly.

jfman 05-04-2020 10:50
Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader
 
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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36030474)
Holding to account ......yes, Monday morning quarterbackey........no
I look forward to nobody blaming Labour for the 2008 financial crisis in that case.

Pierre 05-04-2020 10:54
Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader
 
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36030476)
I look forward to nobody blaming Labour for the 2008 financial crisis in that case.
Nobody blamed them for the 2008 crisis, they were blamed for spending, spending and borrowing through the relatively prosperous preceding 12years.

jfman 05-04-2020 11:00
Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader
 
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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36030478)
Nobody blamed them for the 2008 crisis, they were blamed for spending, spending and borrowing through the relatively prosperous preceding 12years.
Monday morning quarterback.

Sephiroth 05-04-2020 11:02
Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader
 
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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36030478)
Nobody blamed them for the 2008 crisis, they were blamed for spending, spending and borrowing through the relatively prosperous preceding 12years.
.... and now Starmer is saying we must never have austerity again. Who's going to keep lending to us cheaply if the debt is out of control? Jeez, he's almost as bad as the last fool.


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