Sir Keir’s Kerfuffle
 

Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader.

Angela Rayner elected as Deputy leader

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-52164158

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That's like 'Yeah whatever...' news.

Still Corbyn is gone and that is excellent news.

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Yes well done sir posh bloke you're just what the poor and downtrodden need.

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His mum was a nurse and his dad a toolmaker - not exactly born with a silver spoon in his mouth...

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Not if he's appointed to the Shadow Cabinet, he's not.

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l would say there is zero chance of that happening.

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About the same odds that many gave Boris on becoming PM then ;)

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Luxury.

i expect a Labour leader to come fromt gutter,be dressed in rags and own at least one ferret,they must live in a council house and have been on benefits all of their adult life, ride an old bicycle in clogs and drink brown ale.

oh and don't forget the flat cap and string vest.

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Theresa May left a huge political vacuum and Boris Johnson was elected by his own party and the country because of he was best placed to fulfill it by his party and a considerable part of the electorate..

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Well, I hope you are right, Den. That man was a disaster for the Labour Party.

Good luck to Starmer, although frankly he couldn't do any worse!

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Indeed he was a disaster for the Labour party.

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Boris - undemocratic?

Never!!! ;)

Boris's actions were unlawful, not illegal...

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Bumbling stumbling stammering/stuttering Boris vs a Queen’s Counsel - I’m sure you’re right...

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The next PMQ will be a interesting watch.

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Regardless of his upbringing, he is a QC and a knight of the realm, who is also closely associated with Parliament’s perceived obstruction of Brexit throughout 2019. He will be a very tough sell on the doorsteps of northern England at the next election.

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You may well be right but the mood of politics can change a lot in 5 years don't you agree.

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Given his current infection, I hope Johnson does more than wipe for the floor with Sir Keir but instead commissions a deep clean of it! :D

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Totally agree. The Conservatives' electoral success rests on how well they manage the current situation and not on Brexit. So far it seems ticks for commissioning the Nightingale hospitals and funding companies and the laid off and crosses for lack of PPE and sizeable testing.

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Read something the other day that put this into perspective:

We are still within the “5 year term” of David Cameron’s 2015 Government.

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To me the liebour party died when they decided to block Brexit.


As stated I'll never vote for them again.

I'm also backing Boris 100%.


Whatever he does, or doesn't do he's going to get the blame.

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And extraordinary times they have been ... yet we still have a Tory government and one with a bigger majority than Cameron had in 2015.

In fact, things really don’t tend to change dramatically. Even the 1997 Labour landslide occurred after 18 years of Tory government, and Tony Blair’s major success was putting a fresh face on continuity. The Tories looked worn out, and out of ideas. Blair looked young and energetic but none of his new ideas actually changed very much; not in the first term anyway.

British electoral history since WW2 suggests a majority the size Boris has now can be reduced by an effective Labour campaign in 2024 but Starmer has next to no chance of actually winning it.

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Indeed, he is not a posh bloke, he has got where he is on merit.

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Well to be fair, during Brexit, QC or not - he was pretty incoherent.

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It's it's Keir v Boris it will be an easy sell.

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Why?

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Sad times in CCHQ with their multiple election-winner stepping down in favour of Sir Keir. ;)

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I doubt that.

People will be reminded that starmer is a scumbag who happily tried to defy the will of the people.

he aint no sir to me

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The more things change, the more they stay the same.

Those who would never vote Labour anyway, still have their excuses for not doing so.

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Honest question - why do you keep raising this?

I haven’t seen it reported anywhere.

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Starmer could probably live without all the antisemitism questions. That said, as the Chancellor is pretty much bankrolling the economy for the foreseeable, it'd be useful to keep some socialist faces around - they're the experts in the subject matter after all.

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The Opposition can't do anything to get rid of the disease.

What you are asking for is the opposition to simply stop and agree with everything the Government does regardless of how bad it may be. Sounds more communist than socialist now you phrase it like that.

It can hardly be 'political games' to hold the Government to account during the biggest public health crisis of our lifetimes.

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Holding to account ......yes, Monday morning quarterbackey........no

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An independent opposition is part of the checks and balances every democracy needs. If Sir Keir feels the Government has made mistakes, he should be able to say so publicly.

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I look forward to nobody blaming Labour for the 2008 financial crisis in that case.

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Nobody blamed them for the 2008 crisis, they were blamed for spending, spending and borrowing through the relatively prosperous preceding 12years.

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Monday morning quarterback.

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It seems they did, and then replaced it with another . . . with possibly the same symptoms? :)

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Same place Rishi is getting it from?

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From your link Because it is a straw man scaremongering tactic, with no documented basis in reality?

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Quite a credit to Sir Keir that the scaremongering has started so early!

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l thought he was pretty sober and pragmatic on the Marr show.

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He is, but objective reality doesn't stop the right wing smears. Brown, Miliband, Corbyn... Starmer is just next on the list.

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He has only been in the job for a day but quelle surprise the ad hominem attacks have already started unsurprisingly.

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The fact that as DPP he presided over the decision not to prosecute Jimmy Saville for “lack of evidence” is not an ad hominem attack. The judgment of a man who wants to be prime minister is very much a relevant issue.

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Much like the judgement of a man who prorogued Parliament unlawfully - if BJ gets away with it because he was told by his Attorney General that doing it was legal, doesn't the same caveat apply to Keir Starmer (he would have gone on the advice of his legal team).

Most of the accusations about Saville came out after his death - here are the four that came out before his death.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crim...e-8447827.html

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People can call into question Starmer's leadership of the CPS, it's entirely fair, that said he doesn't appear he did much wrong with the Saville case.

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As I probably said at the time, I don't actually think DC was that great a leader, or even particularly liked. I think he was just disliked less than the leaders of the other parties. In short, I think the Tories won the election not because they fought well, but because the other parties fought more badly than they did.

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First shadow cabinet appointments.

Anneliese Dodds Shadow Chancellor
Lisa Nandy Shadow Foreign Secretary
Nick Thomas-Symonds Shadow Home Secretary
Rachel Reeves Shadow Chancellor is the Duchy of Lancaster
Jonathan Ashworth Shadow Health Secretary.

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I hope he does well in Scotland and get rid of the /S N P, for good.

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Needs a policy platform first. SNP win at a canter because all other parties split essentially the same voter base. Can't out Tory the Tories when it comes to union flag waving.

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Wow!

Not a criticism, just a comment - can’t ever remember a Shadow Chancellor with 3 years Parliamentary experience, and a Shadow Home Secretary with 5 years Parliamentary experience.

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A interesting article HERE ;)

It's from the independent.......

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Shock horror!

Avid Corbynista attacks Centrist Labour MP... :D

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Surely not, you must be kidding me! :D:D:D

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I thought you worshipped the independent..... ;)

Anyway

Could be interesting

Oh here is the source for you to try and discredit ;)

Here

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Love to see the evidence that he personally decided not to pursue further charges...

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Sorry, must be someone else.

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Indeed. These weak attempts to discredit him show that he must be an opposition leader worth taking note of. Unlike his predececessor.

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The smearing is a bit desperate already. I think some folks are rattled that Labour have chosen someone electable. That's all it will take by the time of the next election.

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Electable to the Golf club maybe, i see he's got anneliese dodds on the team perhaps she will be minister for shampoo;)

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Do you have a selective memory, pretty sure there was a whole thread on here, discrediting Corbyn and I distinctly remember the likes of you and Mr K, saying the same shit, about Corbyn is in with a chance for No. 10. :rofl:

Why oh why do some of you Remainers still not get it?

The Country wants to leave the EU, there have been several democratic processes since 2016, the country chose heavily, Pro Brexit parties, so if Starmer, sings to your tune, you’re going to be disappointed again and again.

First though, we have 5 more years of Conservative rule, with a very large majority, we’re half out of the EU, fully out by end of the year.

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No way would I ever have said that about Corbyn. Only way Corbyn would have got into No. 10 would be if they needed a new cleaner. :D

I've voted for all the Parties and will continue to do so. It probably annoys some that I don't support a party like a football club but their policies and competence change over time so I decide at each election. But I'm pleased that the country finally has a decent opposition leader in the same way that I'm sorry that Ruth Davidson stepped down as Conservative Party Leader in Scotland.

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Former Labour leader Ed Miliband returns to party's front bench.

https://news.sky.com/story/former-la...bench-11969361

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Oh no!

Does that mean, instead of the strong and stable government we've had since 2015, it will all now descend into chaos? :D

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Chaos Sir is in the eye of the beholder.:D

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at least that idiot Richard Burgon isn't there.

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Starmer does have the advantage of being able to choose his front bench from the entire parliamentary party, unlike Corbyn who eventually found that large numbers of them wouldn't take his jobs.

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Says the person who has called the PM consistently :rolleyes:

It's hardly smearing it's the truth.

What goes around comes around ;)

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No sign of Corbyn on that list. Do you think he's finally got the message?

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There was never a chance he was going to be on that list OB in a million years.

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You know that. I know that. Nobody told Corbyn.

He thought it was a slam dunk.

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I very much doubt anyone thought there would be a place for him, least of all JC himself.

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I disagree. He put his name forward for it. Totally delusional!

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Got a link for that, please? (for Keir Starmer’s Shadow Cabinet, not RLB’s, where it was stated "Asked if he would accept a new shadow cabinet role, Corbyn said he would “see what it is”, adding: “I didn’t know I was going to be offered anything and you’re telling me something that I didn’t know.”".

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The article I was referring to was this one, but you're right, he did not say anything about Starmer's list as far as I know.

Sorry, I think we were at cross purposes!

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a9347496.html

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Cool we're all agreed then that no way would JC be deluded enough to think that Sir Keir would have offered him a shadow cabinet role.

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Yes, even a busted clock is right twice a day! Most decisions Corbyn has made while Leader of the Opposition have been the wrong call.

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Well you can sleep easy now OB, a Knight of the Realm is in charge, and he's got your vote for sure ;)

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His desire to be in the Shadow Cabinet it might have been but there was absolutely zero chance of Labour's new leader ever taking a blind bit of notice of it as there was never the faintest hope of it ever happening.

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Corbyn equivocates. It's just what he does. I don't think anything he has said can be construed as his hoping for a shadow cabinet job. Just that he is more or less incapable of making an unqualified statement about anything.

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Maybe the people that make unequivocal statements are the ones you should be wary of. Granted, that covers most politicians.

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A convincing start to stamping out anti-semitism.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...r-antisemitism

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He will probably find there is insufficient evidence - he is good at that. ;)

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Boris made the Tories electable with a big majority by getting rid of the remainers in the party.

Starmer may look at getting Labour electable by getting rid of the anti semites.

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Correlation is not causation

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You like big words.

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If Long-Bailey had won the leadership vote - then maybe.

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Starmer was a shoo-in to be perfectly honest once Corbyn quit as the bookies had him at 9/1 on 2 months ago to become the next Labour leader and the bookies are rarely wrong..

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I like all size of words - I am a lifelong logophile. :)

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There are a lot labour members that joined Labour on the back of Corbyn's and McDonnell's Marxist ticket. There is also the big shadow of momentum although rejected by the electorate still loved by the party, and then there are the MPs and shadow cabinet members that thought their manifesto was a work of brilliance loved by voters but just not voted for.

Starmer has to somehow appease them and convince the electorate that they are moving towards the centre. it'll be interesting.