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What a small world it is.
Perhaps we should label this emergent cabal the 'Phirm'. (Cue, "I've come to fix the Phirm!" "Phirm? We do not have a Phirm"). Phrases like pump and dump spring to mind. |
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Googling for "Ertugrul" to find out about connections with the Times.
Nothing found yet but have found an interesting article from the NY Times in 1999. Apologies if this has already been posted amongst the 605 pages already. Lifetimes of Memories Preserved on CD-ROM's by Kent Quote:
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see http://ec.europa.eu/justice_home/fsj...s/index_en.htm there are some new news entrys, for instance External Experts
and perhaps The Working Party should also give interested parties the opportunity to submit their comments about End users and webmasters rights to protection against DPI Interception for profit by the ISPs. http://ec.europa.eu/justice_home/fsj...m#consultwp147 Data protection issues related to intellectual property rights The Working Party 29 has adopted a working document on data protection issues related to intellectual property rights (Working Document 104) adopted on January 18th, 2005. The working document recalls the application of the main data protection principles contained in the data protection Directive (Directive 95/46/EC) in the following two scenarios: First, in the deployment of on-line services using the so-called digital management of rights systems (“DRMsâ€Â). Second, in the processing of personal data to conduct investigations of users suspected of copyright infringement. The Working Party wishes to give interested parties the opportunity to submit their comments to the Working Document 104 and to this end it has launched this public consultation until March 31st, 2005 [closed]. The comments received by then will be posted on the present website unless a specific request not to do so is mentioned by the respondent. Contributions received |
Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
just seen posted over on iii 19:28
phormukPR ?? anyone care to respond?? i am sure a few will rise to the challenge :) alex do you have contact with the gaurdian journalist? he may like to respond peter ********* 1. "Absolutely on track" at Phorm's end - reflecting the public 'heat', and understandably, ISPs are taking additional time to make sure they don't screw up - re: security and legality issues. 2. BT expected to launch "probably" within a week... or a few days thereafter. 3. Feeling pretty good on the recent PR trends in favour of Phorm - a positive editorial in last week's Economist, and earlier in the FT, plus a supportive speech in the House of Lords, plus recent supportive conversations with the Information Commissioner. And, a reduction in frequency of anti-Phorm blogging activity. 4. Kent expects the vocal minority to continue to become less and less vocal, and even more so once full service is launched. 5. As we assumed/understood, BT will launch first, with a press release accompanying the first 'interstitial notice' - i.e. the screen that pops up telling you that the system is on, and giving the option to opt out. Full roll-out across its customer base will be in a matter of days or weeks, but not longer. Virgin Media and TalkTalk are in full pre-launch preparation mode. 6. Once BT has launched, other announcements for other countries are expected. Country CEOs being recruited. 7. Publishers still totally on board - including the Guardian (whose journalist has been particularly vocal). Conclusion: At last, positive newsflow does seem to be in the pipeline. We reiterate our Buy recommedation. ******* |
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Re. 7 - I thought the Guardian had pulled out?
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I posted about 100 copies of the Phorm Flyer to houses in my road today. Most are probably on VM but its a start!
As I always like to say when faced with a challenging problem. Q. How do I eat an Elephant? A. A bit at a time. |
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Can someone who is registered on iii find out when steadyasshegoes registered and if they have made any other posts on iii.
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There does seem to be new members appearing across the forums, delivering the "good news". It could well be that the red-braces brigade are back in town. EDIT : Beat me to it jelv. :) |
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member since 24/8/2000 he was the guy that posted the link to the charles stanley note that quoted outdated information but the CS note noted it was a risky stock as there was no comparable data to compare the projected profits against and they were unsure of phorms business model predictions about 2/3 of his posts in the last year where on phorm the other one "thebully" has also been registered since 2000 but only posted 2 comments on phorm, both quoting the same http://www.britishbulls.com/StockPag...Services&TYP=S which is just using basic averages to say buy or sell, not rumours etc peter |
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Dunno about when they first registered but they have been commenting on Phorm's section of iii.co.uk since it floated. I believe to be long term holder, strange though on the early comments, they seemed pleased to learn Phorm was what became of 121Media. Says a lot about a person one could say...
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I heard from someone at BT who I've been working with on a recent work contract that the trials could run "seemlessly" into full deployment. That is, Phorm may not be switched off at the trial exchanges, just that it will then be switched on accross the country. This may not be news to some people but certainly surprised me.
BT originally stated on their beta forums that when Webwise was fully deployed, users would have the option to fully opt-out of Phorm (presumably at the account level), however this functionality would not be available for the trial. The trial itself will invite users from an "interstitial" request for permission, which means Phorm has to intercept a browse request in order to get permission, indicating that everyone will be opted-in at an account level. BT/Phorm also published details of the consent gathering exercise which showed cookies being dropped to indicate opt-out. If the rumour at the start of my post is correct, has BT given up plans to offer an account-level opt-out? Or will they offer it, but just not by default, meaning there are three levels of Phorming: 1.) Phormed 2.) Opted-out by cookie 3.) Account-level opt-out So technically there will actually be 4 states any user can be in: A.) Phormed, phorm UUID cookie present B.) Opted-out by cookie C.) Unknown (no cookies present) D.) Account-level opt-out I have it on very good authority that on the absense of any cookies on your machine, and the absense of an account-level opt-out, users will ALWAYS be presented with Phorm's interstitial request for consent. That is, the default user state will be C.). This could seriously break a whole range of application which use HTTP to do something other than browsing, yet use IE as a browser identifier It will also mean all users on your connection who regularly clear their cookies will be nagged to rejoin Phorm each time, and I fail to see how this will satisfy the ICO demand for informed consent and opt-in. However I hear from a little birdy that BT/Phorm's interpretation of "opt-in" is that the check-box on the webwise intersitital screen will not be checked by default!!! Rumour: unconfirmed but I feel that any hope I had that BT would roll this out as a true opt-in system have been dashed. Again, this is unconfirmed rumour but I heard also that Google's upcoming suite of broadband diagnostics tools was done with the likes of Phorm and NebuAd in mind. I really really hope that this is true. The above post is personal opinion only, reporting my experiences and conversations with colleagues. If BT/Phorm feel that any of the above is untrue, then alert me and I will correct it. Email privacy.watch {at} gmail {dot} com and mark the email subject FAO Oblonsky. |
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iii only says
Show up to 25 trades from the last 8 hours Latest trades Time Price Bid Ask Volume Block Price B/S Type 10:36:46 1068p 1000p 1075p 5,000 £53,400 BUY O 10:36:32 1060p 1000p 1075p 5,000 £53,000 BUY O 10:04:31 1070p 1000p 1075p 200 £2,140 BUY O 09:59:20 1070p 1000p 1075p 400 £4,280 BUY O 09:53:36 1070p 1000p 1075p 1,000 £10,700 BUY O 09:49:39 1070p 1000p 1075p 500 £5,350 BUY O 09:38:36 1070p 1000p 1075p 1,000 £10,700 BUY O not the first time there has been discrepencies between sites but volumes etc are correct but don't match with data above Today's summary Bid 1000p Ask 1075p High 1075p Low 1040p Open 1012.5p Previous close 1000p Settle price 1055p Change +55p (+5.50%) Volume 36,695 |
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