Cable Forum - Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]

Yes. But the court of human rights is only applicable to public authorities not companies. The complaint to the EU Court of Human Rights would have to be about ICOs lack of action.

Alexander Hanff

So, it can be done on that basis?

Rchivist

31-05-2008 20:34

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]

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Originally Posted by popper (Post 34564462)

Robert, can you edit your post before the time limit runs out for editing,and add some carrage returns in the right places to break up the long data strings, as they are scrolling off the webpage, and make yours and all the other posts really hard to read as they re-flow to the wider view, thanks

thanks, that works and looks far better for me ;)

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you might not get any good answers but id be interested in Spencer Kelly of Click! attending or at least getting some answers as put from the real AntiPhorm perspective on video.

why did he come across as a Phorm advocate in the shows for instance, does he really side with the Pro-Phorm stance, and if so what are his PERSONAL thoughts on our legal and moral points etc as put here?

Remember that BBC have an obligation to be balanced, and they know that the more scurrilous corporations are the ones that take that obligation the most seriously and are probably the most likely to be litigious. So when dealing with the strong and evil, they well be more neutral than when dealing with an ordinary vulnerable individual member of the public.

lardycake

31-05-2008 20:37

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]

Posted a link to Phorm_Protest_Event

on the debian forums inviting people to "digg it" (mentioned NebuAd to get the US users interest). I would hope most debian users would be sympathetic

AlexanderHanff

31-05-2008 20:37

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Originally Posted by popper (Post 34564462)

you might not get any good answers but id be interested in Spencer Kelly of Click! attending or at least getting some answers as put from the real AntiPhorm perspective on video.

why did he come across as a Phorm advocate in the shows for instance, does he really side with the Pro-Phorm stance, and if so what are his PERSONAL thoughts on our legal and moral points etc as put here?

Already contacted the producer of Click (Dan Simmons).

New article on NoDPI:
http://nodpi.org/?p=6

Digg:
http://digg.com/politics/ICO_Rubber_...e_Law_Breaking

Alexander Hanff

lardycake

31-05-2008 20:44

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]

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Originally Posted by NTLVictim (Post 34564479)

So, it can be done on that basis?

...but I think that first you would have to go thu the ICOs own internal procedure to complain about the ICO, then take it to the Parliamentary and Health Service Ombudsman (see post #7719 just above this). There may even be more hoops to jump thru after that...

popper

31-05-2008 20:55

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Originally Posted by AlexanderHanff (Post 34564485)

Already contacted the producer of Click (Dan Simmons).

New article on NoDPI:
http://nodpi.org/?p=6

Digg:
http://digg.com/politics/ICO_Rubber_...e_Law_Breaking

Alexander Hanff

that link lists Dan Simmons as a Click! Reporter ?

AlexanderHanff

31-05-2008 20:56

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Originally Posted by popper (Post 34564496)

that link lists Dan Simmons as a Click! Reporter ?

Dan Simmons was the person I communicated with with regards my appearance on Click (he contacted me). So by contacting him it should make it through to the Click team.

Alexander Hanff

popper

31-05-2008 21:07

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]

ohh right, if their up for it, he might get some mobile phone video footage (or use a pro camera to make some footage and place it in the Public domain for all to see)of the producers teams personal thoughts on this Phorm lark ;)

are the Click! Richard Taylor Editor and Series Producer,
Chris Long Producer ,and/or,Talia Franco Producer,and their familys happy to be ISP/Phorm DPI wiretaped for commercial profit on their home Broadband connections if they happen to be part of the 70% plus of the Uk BB covered, i wonder

AlexanderHanff

31-05-2008 21:20

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Originally Posted by lardycake (Post 34564489)

Yes it would be advisable to for him to follow the ICO complaints procedure first and then if that doesn't achieve anything he needs to write to his MP making it clear that he is doing so as required under Parliamentary Ombudsman regulations. If his MP is unable to get them to do anything he would then go straight to the Parliamentary Ombudsman for an official complaint.

However, given the EU Commission's stance on this earlier this week, there is no harm in contacting his MEP referencing the EU Commission statement asking them to now act on his behalf.

Alexander Hanff

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Forwarded the NoDPI article on ICO to Open Rights Group, FIPR and Earl of Northesk.

Alexander Hanff

Dephormation

31-05-2008 22:12

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Originally Posted by Frank Rizzo (Post 34564182)

* * * ICO will NOT take action over the 2007 trials * * *

The ICO have written to me in relation to the complaint I had made about the 2007 trials (re: BT intercepted my communications - told me I had a virus)

Incidentally this is why BT (and Virgin) customers must never never rely on Phorm's opt out.

If it does transpire that Phorm and BT (or Virgin) have ignored your decision to opt out ICO will do nothing at all.

ICO will be assured by BT (or Virgin) that it was a small scale issue (ie, only you were affected), nothing personal was disclosed (even though they processed your entire personal web traffic), and BT have received imaginary legal advice from the garden gnomes that says they are purer than driven snow.

ICO will accept that assurance, do no investigation, and your complaints will be dismissed.

You can't stay with a Phorming ISP. You have no regulatory protection.

Pete.

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bluecar1

31-05-2008 22:47

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Originally Posted by Dephormation (Post 34564559)

should that not be a laughing gnome (laughing all the way to the bank)????

Rchivist

31-05-2008 23:04

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Now just rehearse this phrase carefully for the TV cameras...

popper

31-05-2008 23:23

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i linked this one to the Digg rather than direct to see if it helps improve visability
http://current.com/items/88992107_ic...e_law_breaking

the other one put last night has had only 67 views and zero responses so far.
http://current.com/items/88990813_uk...16th_july_2008

a smaller, but non the less, just as informative gfx placed on all the NoDPI pages might be useful, as currentTV submitted News trys to take any gfx thats on the URL linked page and use it inside the CTV page.

AlexanderHanff

31-05-2008 23:28

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Originally Posted by popper (Post 34564637)

i linked this one to the Dugg rather than direct to see if it helps improve visability
http://current.com/items/88992107_ic...e_law_breaking

the other one put last night has had only 67 views and zero responses so far.
http://current.com/items/88990813_uk...16th_july_2008

Good job poppy.

I have contacted someone with regards to sponsoring the event, I don't know what sort of reaction i will get but said person is a millionaire and very much regarded as a public figure. I have spoken to him on a number of occasions in the past on other matters so hopefully he will want to help.

As an update and very positive news the nodpi donations link has so far raised Ã‚Â£110 so thank you to everyone who has donated.

Alexander Hanff

Dephormation

31-05-2008 23:30

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]

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Originally Posted by Frank Rizzo (Post 34564182)

Steven,

you could make a very specific FOI request to the Information Commissioner, Richard Thomas.

I'd ask
- What attempts were made by ICO to obtain evidence/documentation from BT
- What evidence/documentation was requested by ICO, and disclosed by BT
- What evidence/documentation was requested by ICO, and declined by BT
- Which BT staff members were interviewed
- What was the record of those interviews
- What third party technical experts were interviewed
- What was the record of those interviews

This information requires little or no cost to report (so shouldn't fall foul of the expense limit). I think the answers to those questions would give you a great deal more evidence to support an EU complaint (because I expect they would demonstrate ICO did nothing to adequately investigate your complaint ).

Pete.

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