Re: Petrol & diesel vehicles ban.
 

It's not like this is a irrevocable policy.

But it's sensible to plan ahead on the assumption that, in 23 years time, battery technology will be better than it is now. And the technology we have now can power sports cars. It's already feasible to own and operate electric cars in the UK. It will get even better, especially if the government is throwing it's weight behind it.

We need better batteries and faster charging but Tesla have made a lot of progress in only 5 years here and we've given ourselves a timeline of 23 years. What's more is that it's the direction the industry is moving with more and more manufacturers moving their models to electric engines.

Re: Petrol & diesel vehicles ban.
 

A wing and a prayer if you ask me.

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Yes one would certainly learn that glorious trait from your good self.;)

Re: Petrol & diesel vehicles ban.
 

So when are they planning to start putting in the vast amount of infrastructure that'll be required to support street charging and how long's that going to take nationally? There's a great deal of difference between a very small number of people using electric vehicles (many of them whilst also owning traditionally fuelled cars) for short runs and having to rely totally on these vehicles and being able to charge them quickly and conveniently. I wouldn't want to be trapped for hours on a snowy motorway somewhere watching my electric car heater rapidly use what's left of my battery's charge as the temperature plummets...

God forbid we have any power cuts and can't charge our vehicles eh?

Re: Petrol & diesel vehicles ban.
 

Well said Damien. The motor industry will plough £tens of millions into the development of battery power if another technology hasn't succeeded it by then (it may have already for all we know).

You owe it to yourself to remove your 'Remoaner' title. You are forward-thinking and positive and not trapped in the past.

Re: Petrol & diesel vehicles ban.
 

I find it all very confusing! Notability told us to get a diesel instead of petrol. Not sure if it makes that much difference now though.

I did look at the Nissan Leaf when I got my car but the range was crap.

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If you let in well over a million people what do you think is going to happen with pollution and everything else.:rolleyes: Then there is the added pollution of shipping their own specific food items into the country. We've imported pollution from eastern Europe.

Even if say the UK manages, the development of petrol/diesel cars & vans will effectively be killed off fairly soon, so how are other countries going to manage? Is the EU going to prop them up over that as well?

Re: Petrol & diesel vehicles ban.
 

Most motorway services already have some electric charging points, and it's already been announced that all Petrol stations and remaining Motorway services will need to have them

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-40352884

And there are some predictions around how many EV points we'll have:

https://www.theguardian.com/environm...020-say-nissan



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France have already announced they're banning them by 2040

https://www.theguardian.com/business...l-macron-volvo

So I'd expect most other EU countries to follow.

Volvo have already announced they're going electric only, and they're owned by the Chinese, so China is also moving in that direction.

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Oh and I've just seen this - Autoexpress reckon it won't include a ban on hybrids

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/car-new...-ban-from-2040

Re: Petrol & diesel vehicles ban.
 

Slowly over time. Tesla have some stations in the UK already: https://www.tesla.com/en_GB/findus#/...er&name=Europe And in some car parks there are ones not provided by Tesla (which outnumber Telsa whose presence is rather small).

But as more and more cars move to electric engines we'll see more stations pop-up. Petrol stations could provide them. It will at some stage hit a tipping point where they're suddenly springing up everywhere. We got 3G and 4G networks up in 16 years.

Yes at the moment having to 'rely totally' on them isn't realistic but we're not talking about banning petrol cars tomorrow, we're talking about banning them in 23 years.

That would be annoying but no reason to stop this progression. It's not if there are not problems with petrol with the pollution and the inflexibility as to it's source and provisioning. We already put critical dependencies on systems that require electricity so it's not an unheard of problem.

Can petrol stations actually work with no electricity now? Isn't it required for the tracking of the dispensing of the fuel and the payment of it?

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Is everybody near a motorway service station? Just think of how many vehicles are used in a day and that is how many will have to be recharged each day. Imagine the queues.

Maybe alright for France with its Nuclear power, but how are countries like Estonia, Latvia, Romania etc going to manage.

That rules out even hybrid cars.

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You would build more.

Re: Petrol & diesel vehicles ban.
 

Estonia:

https://www.theguardian.com/environm...arging-network

Latvia:

http://eng.lsm.lv/article/economy/ec...-plan.a153355/

Romania:

https://www.romania-insider.com/char...100000-people/

Re: Petrol & diesel vehicles ban.
 

How are charging points at motorway service stations (and garages) going to help.

Filling up with petrol takes a few minutes, recharging a car takes hours.
At busy times you can barely find anywhere to park in a service station, how will they cope with 1000's per day.

How will local garages work, a few early starters and thats it for the day ?

(not to mention how long journeys would become).

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Well electric cars would work differently. It's important with new technology not to apply existing patterns to them, at least not always.

At the moment people generally only fill up their car at petrol stations. You fill up, then go away keeping the occasional eye on the tank until you need to fill up again. But electric cars can be charged at home and also could be charged at car parks, work places, shopping centres etc. I have seen far more car chargers in car parks than dedicated stations. People will find themselves charging at home, at a hotel, or in car parks whilst shopping or working. Stations would be for quick top-ups or people taking long journeys.

But battery technology will get better and so will charing times. Again, look at the progress Tesla have made. It's not perfect now but do we need to wait until it is before we make plans 20 years ahead? The wheels are already turning here, more and more cars are coming out with electric engines, the investment is in electric and self-driving cars and that's where governments are looking too.

To be honest I think 2040 is conservative. I think we'll be seeing electric, self-driving, cars in common use around urban areas by then. 23 years is a long time in technology. Imagine in 1994 telling someone that people could stream TV content made exclusively for an Internet company to a phone they had in their hands. Think of all the logistical and technological, not to mention commercial, barriers that would have been foreseen. The advances is mobile technology, battery technology, networks and so on for that and all the infrastructure to go with it.

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What the future holds:

1. Aircraft (the biggest polluters what about their fuel supply) as passenger airliners would be out of question. Giant Airships could be used I suppose.

http://company.airbus.com/responsibi...-aircraft.html

2. Lorries.

http://www.wired.co.uk/article/bmw-4...electric-truck

3. Motorcycles (new ones can be made to be electric) but not the old classic bikes and cars for that matter.

http://charged.io/best-electric-motorcycles/

Then again we will have install solar panels on every house and our own mini wind turbine in the garden (if you have one) to produce electricity.

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62 miles) on a full battery and can be fully charged in three to four hours.

so lands end to john o'groats how many days will that take