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Alan Fry 10-01-2012 14:27

Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 
With all this debate on if Scotland should become Independent from the UK and how they migh be achived, I would like to ask, why should we do about Scotland?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-16478121

Gary L 10-01-2012 14:29

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Alan Fry (Post 35358463)
why should we do about Scotland?

I think you mean what should we do about Scotland.

I think we should assist them in every way possible in the split.

m8internet 10-01-2012 14:32

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 
It won't make any difference, it won't happen
Ironcially the UK treasury will be better off and stop having to subsidise Scotland
However Scotland will attempt to lay claim to the oil and gas revenues

It is more likely to happen when the North Sea oil and gas reserves dry up and the Atlantic reserves have to be opened up
At that point the UK treasury will try the firesale

LondonRoad 10-01-2012 14:34

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 
Please send us food parcels and beer. Mark the food parcels "Not fit for Salmond consumption" or they may not reach the needy.

If you don't we'll remove our ginger genes from the gene pool. ;)

Taf 10-01-2012 14:35

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 
If independance happens, be ready for the mass migration south.

That'll leave Salmond and his sheep in peace.

Russ 10-01-2012 14:49

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by m8internet (Post 35358469)
It won't make any difference, it won't happen
Ironcially the UK treasury will be better off and stop having to subsidise Scotland
However Scotland will attempt to lay claim to the oil and gas revenues

The oil and gas do not belong to Scotland, it belongs to the UK as a whole. The fact it gets processed via Scotland does not mean they own it.

At the most, should they split from the UK, Westminster will broker a deal with them where they get paid to process it on our behalf. Either that or the probably more expensive suggestion of re-routing it around Scotland.

Chris 10-01-2012 14:57

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 
Scotland will not vote to split from England. Poll after poll after poll has shown that the settled will of the Scottish people is to remain in political union. Alex Salmond has a very good reason for delaying his referendum until 2014 - delaying it as long as possible is the only means he has of delivering the SNP's long-term pledge of a referendum whilst desperately hoping that something, anything, will transpire to turn public opinion around. He will also hope to complete a full five-year term in office having not spent four years of it being accused of having no legitimacy, the likely consequence of a referendum having been held and lost some time last year. Furthermore he will want to carve out a reputation for the SNP as a viable, alternative centre-left Government for Scotland so, having lost a referendum on independence in 2014 he can still go to the country in 2015 and ask for a third term as First Minister.

The electoral rules that return MSPs to Holyrood were designed to prevent the SNP from ever getting an outright majority. To an extent this suited Salmond perfectly as he is a pragmatist and a gradualist when it comes to achieving a split from the Union. He knows that the time is not now, and being able to blame a Parliament he did not control for denying him a referendum bill was very convenient. Only in the last stages of the 2010 election campaign, when an outright win for the SNP began to look possible, did the SNP start rolling back it's referendum commitment as far as it possibly could (that being a delay, not a cancellation).

It is not properly appreciated south of the Border that the SNP won the election despite their separatist agenda, not because of it. They are the only effective opposition to Labour in Scotland and the overwhelming desire on the part of Scottish voters in 2010 was to get Labour out of power in Holyrood.

---------- Post added at 13:57 ---------- Previous post was at 13:53 ----------

Useful analysis in this morning's Torygraph by Labour's Douglas Alexander:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...sh-people.html

Hugh 10-01-2012 14:59

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Taf (Post 35358473)
If independance happens, be ready for the mass migration south.

That'll leave Salmond and his sheep in peace.

Down here already....:D

denphone 10-01-2012 15:01

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35358491)
Down here already....:D

Yes and very welcome by the vast majority of English people.:)

Alan Fry 10-01-2012 15:09

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 
I my opnion, we should give more powers to scotland and alow them to rasie they own money for public spending, but as for indpendence, I do fell that this a good idea, my reasons are:

1. Scotland needs to be fianacally stable

2. How on earth are we going to split public boides liek the army etc

3. How would scotland be reprsented on the International stage?

4. What about the status of the Scot-Irish Catholic community?

5. What about the boder regions, The Scottish Borders are pretty much like Norhumberland, would they need passports just to go a few miles?

6. The status of the Royal Family?

7. Relations between Scotland and the rest of the British Isles?

8. Would the Independence of Scotland result in the further breakup of the UK?

Russ 10-01-2012 15:11

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Alan Fry (Post 35358499)
5. What about the boder regions, The Scottish Borders are pretty much like Norhumberland, would they need passports just to go a few miles?

You don't need a passport for Northern/Southern Ireland so you wouldn't need one for Scotland.


Quote:

Originally Posted by Alan Fry (Post 35358499)
7. Relations between Scotland and the rest of the British Isles?

Nothing to suggest they would change.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alan Fry (Post 35358499)
8. Would the Independence of Scotland result in the further breakup of the UK?

Nothing to suggest that would ever happen.

Pierre 10-01-2012 15:14

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 
Whilst I have no love for the Scots or the Welsh........... or the Cornish for that matter.

I think everybody in the country knows that a break up of the UK would be a very bad thing.

If they do break up, would it be possible to remove Edinburgh and relocate it this side of the border, they can have the rest.

Alan Fry 10-01-2012 15:14

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35358486)
Scotland will not vote to split from England. Poll after poll after poll has shown that the settled will of the Scottish people is to remain in political union. Alex Salmond has a very good reason for delaying his referendum until 2014 - delaying it as long as possible is the only means he has of delivering the SNP's long-term pledge of a referendum whilst desperately hoping that something, anything, will transpire to turn public opinion around. He will also hope to complete a full five-year term in office having not spent four years of it being accused of having no legitimacy, the likely consequence of a referendum having been held and lost some time last year. Furthermore he will want to carve out a reputation for the SNP as a viable, alternative centre-left Government for Scotland so, having lost a referendum on independence in 2014 he can still go to the country in 2015 and ask for a third term as First Minister.

The electoral rules that return MSPs to Holyrood were designed to prevent the SNP from ever getting an outright majority. To an extent this suited Salmond perfectly as he is a pragmatist and a gradualist when it comes to achieving a split from the Union. He knows that the time is not now, and being able to blame a Parliament he did not control for denying him a referendum bill was very convenient. Only in the last stages of the 2010 election campaign, when an outright win for the SNP began to look possible, did the SNP start rolling back it's referendum commitment as far as it possibly could (that being a delay, not a cancellation).

It is not properly appreciated south of the Border that the SNP won the election despite their separatist agenda, not because of it. They are the only effective opposition to Labour in Scotland and the overwhelming desire on the part of Scottish voters in 2010 was to get Labour out of power in Holyrood.

---------- Post added at 13:57 ---------- Previous post was at 13:53 ----------

Useful analysis in this morning's Torygraph by Labour's Douglas Alexander:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...sh-people.html

I wolud agree with you on that, the only diffrence with the SNP and Scottish Labour is that one wants independence and the other only wants Scotland to be more self-governing!

djstevie 10-01-2012 15:20

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 
One Scot here that will be voting no.

jb66 10-01-2012 15:20

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plenty fresh water to sell if they did leave


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