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I think GM is expecting too much from a simple little show about a bounty hunter, tasked with reuniting the child with its species.
The story moves along nicely. Only visiting planets that are necessary and not just every planet he comes across.

Asoka is a pretty interesting character and is explored a lot in Clone Wars. Knowing who she is and who trained her is also a big part of her.

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The dual at the end was a perfect western quick draw, I could almost hear the good the bad and the ugly in my head. :)

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I’ll have to watch it again but I’m sure there were just a couple of notes in the soundtrack that referenced it.

Likewise when Ahsoka started monologuing about the Force I think there was the briefest of snippets of Yoda’s Theme from The Empire Strikes Back.

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https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood...oka-tano-grogu

The Mandalorian: Rosario Dawson Tells All About Ahsoka Tano

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Ears, take a bow. :D

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Just getting in to this, started watching Season 1 at weekend, on episode 4 so far. :)

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This is the way. :cool:

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And the cutest thing in the galaxy, is a Baby Yoda. :D

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Grogu.

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This was revealed in Season 2, this information, I just read up, so thanks for that tiny bit of an unwarranted spoiler. As I said above, I am still up to Ep 4 of Season 1. :rolleyes:

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You'd really better not read this thread too closely, it'll give the whole thing away :erm:

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I've skimmed past posts that describe episode plot twists. Cannot do that with one word responses.

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Well how long should spoilers be a thing? I'd say a few days to a week. I tend to try and avoid anything to do with a show if I haven't watched latest episodes, because I know how easy it is to have something spoiled.

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Well as season 2 is airing now and season 1 was last year I'd say most people will be up to date and will be watching new episodes weekly. So spoilers past a few days or so shouldn't be an issue.

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1 week is very reasonable for a series which is universally available globally on a streaming service. If you haven't watched it in the first week (and by the time the next ep comes around) then you have only got yourself to blame.
To be fair the same would apply if we were talking about any of the many broadcast series in the US which air months in advance of them being shown in the UK. This is acceptable as the forum mitigates spoilers by providing thread prefixes for US and UK timeline. If a thread is prefixed with US timeline then you view it at your own risk.

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Spoilers are not necessary, that was determined a long time ago, pretty much as General says above.

Thats the reason we have UK/US Timeline, and Streaming prefixes.

They [Spoilers] serve a very limited purpose and make the topic much harder to read, their disadvantage outweighs any small advantage.

That said, it was pretty obvious from Mick's post that he would not want that revealing in such an obvious way, it was an entirely unnecessary post by Pip.

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Yoda and Yaddle breaking Jedi law = Baby Yoda hehehehe

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Got the next episode to watch this evening: "The Tragedy"

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Another excellent episode.

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Another ripsnorter.

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Eeeeeeee!

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Agreed - it’s all coming together...

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yup, and just once again proves that you focus on and develop the main story and build the characters while still finding an excuse for a weekly punch up. Things are moving along very nicely but what is going to do my head is that we are just going to feel like we are getting somewhere and it is going to be the flipping season finale. This is why we need 16 episode seasons minimum.

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A longer run would be welcome now the story is getting some momentum. Looks like transport is going to become an issue.

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Ahsoka’s observation that Mando is like a father to the child wouldn’t have rung true had they not devoted time to scenarios where we could concentrate on that. The story pace is just fine, everything has shown us something useful. This isn’t a saga film and we don’t need imperials hosing the place down every week for it to be a great series.

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I think 16 would be too many. 8 episodes is enough to cover the main plot and any little side stories that end up being part of the main plot.

Its like most series with 22 episodes per season could usually be cut down by a lot due to so much filler rubbish. Mando gets the balance perfect.

So much about this weeks episode was just perfection.

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22 weeks has never been about good storytelling. It’s about filling a broadcast slot with something the network is reasonably confident will perform well for the audience and advertisers who are interested in it. It has always resulted in horrible fillers like clip shows, comedy episodes (even musicals at times) and weeks when the main cast are almost entirely absent.

Streamed content is often more like a novel adaptation, telling a story from end to end. And that’s precisely what the Mandalorian is doing - cleverly, too, because the best quest tales aren’t perfectly linear. The story is being driven by the Mandalorian’s character, and that of the child, which is why they end up in scrapes sometimes only tangentially related to the story arc.

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You only have to look towards the walking dead. on how things can go wrong. Started off as brilliant 6 parter, then went to extended runs split into two halves, with seasons full of meandering story and episodes where literally nothing happens.

And for success look to Breaking Bad which kept it short and rarely wasted run time.

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S02E07: Chapter 15 "The Believer" down ready to watch this evening.

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Ditto, have it ready to watch later (after work). :)

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Wow!

Another cracking episode.

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I'll be watching it later. Shame we are just starting to get somewhere and it is the penultimate episode of the season.

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It was great, that transporter was pure Gerry Anderson. Even the camera angles, pure Thunderbirds.

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Its been building nicely to this, every episode. Your talking like nothing at all happened in 7 episodes.

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Okay so a good ep but there is one thing which killed my realism factor:

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You’re really missing the heart of this story. What this is all about is Mando’s deepening relationship with the Child (the holomessage at the end was meant to really lay it out in ten foot high capital letters just in case you had somehow not got it).

Getting Grogu back is now more important to Mando than his Mandalorian oath. That’s how much it matters. Plus, this season they have surrounded him with genuine Mandalorians rather than what Bo-Katan called religious zealots. So it’s possible that Mando’s love for the child is causing him to reassess who he is and in fact deepening his understanding of what the Mandalorian Way actually is.

And the ending - it was Marshall Dune’s decision to let him go, though Mando agreed with it. And that, again, was entirely consistent with the episode’s overall theme which was to muse about justice, mercy and what cause people choose to believe in - there was a pretty significant monologue on this exact topic in the cockpit of the rhydonium tanker.

Also, literally in flashing capital letters, was the episode title, THE BELIEVER, which is deliberately just vague enough that you could apply it to any or several of the characters who featured this week.

It was a superb piece of storytelling that drove the character development forwards in a very satisfying way.

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He did that as there was no choice, in order to get the info to the child's location. A sacrifice he was willing to make as the child means more to him than anything else now.

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Excellent episode, defo Thunderbirds with the transporter. There's a lot of stuff to finish off in the finale. Or maybe a new season?

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Season 3 has been announced.

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Excellent news. :tu:

S02E08 - "The Rescue" to watch this evening. Longer at 44m 05s

Pretty obvious from the last scene in the prevous episode what happens here. Plenty of stormtroopers will bite the dust. :D

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They still can't shoot straight. :D

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Was an awesome episode. I won't spoil it though. Also there is a post credit scene.

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It will be later though, not due to start airing until christmas 2021 (Dec 24th is the rumoured date).

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Squeeeeee!!!!

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well **** me, I wasn't expecting that ending

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Hope you all stayed for the post credit sequence

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Superb stuff. And a spin-off in the pipeline. Nice :tu:

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Nope, what did I miss?

Will have to fireup CinemaHD and check again.

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.. or its the name of Season 3, thats unclear atm.

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It is due the same time as season 3, and I doubt Disney will air 2 shows about a Mandalorian at the same time. So I reckon it will either be a movie or it is the name for season 3.

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Missed that so we'll take another look. I stopped the TV's media player at the credits.

Cracking episode.

Wasn't expecting that ending. Bit confused about the time lines here though.

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It’s set five years after the Return of the Jedi.

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I assume he’s been taking names, and he’s out to get every one that’s ever double-crossed him.

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If you are going to put Christmas lights on the outside of your house, This Is The Way...

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Well, I caught up and watched the last episode of season 2 last night - all I can say is absolutely astounding finish to a top Star Wars franchise.

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I find it mad how there are Deep Fake Star Wars videos on youtube that do a better job at faces than studios. Maybe they need to employ the youtube guys

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Are they in 4K?

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Not sure if you mean the series or the deep fakes but the answer to both is yes anyway :)

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The deep fakes - thanks for the answer.

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https://www.youtube.com/results?sear...wars+deep+fake

Some of these are really good

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Nope. Different show.

https://thedirect.com/article/the-ma...=StarWarsStuff

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I love the confusion around the 'clarification'.

The fact they had to clarify it at all is poor, they should get their act together.

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Now that most will have seen it, we have to address the CGI. It was great to see him, but the CGI was woeful and ruined what could have been a truly great reveal.

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It's a bit odd.

The CGI Tarkin in Rogue One was pretty good; the CGI Leia in the same film was ropey - about the same as the CGI Luke in this week's Mandalorian. Meanwhile, I re-watched Captain Marvel during the week and the de-ageing they did on Samuel L Jackson and Clark Gregg was astonishingly good. In the case of the Mandalorian, Mark Hamill is credited as Luke Skywalker so you would have hoped it would have been a case of de-ageing his own face rather than mapping a CGO version of his face onto another actor, as was required in Rogue One. They *should* have been able to do it better than they did - the technology is more than able. However, I suspect the problem is the Mandalorian was conceived as a modest-budget production. For all the trumpeting the super-high technology they use to create virtual environments in The Volume at Lucasfilm, it is at the end of the day a TV studio, being used to create an almost entirely studio-bound show, and the reason for doing that is it's cheaper.

I suspect the mundane reason why Luke Skywalker didn't look very convincing is that by the time they got to the final episode they didn't have enough budget left to pay someone for the time required to do any better, which is a real shame.

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They used a body double. I think if they actually used Mark Hammil then it would of looked better.

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Hamill did the voice.

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Indeed, de-aging seems to work better. Michael Douglas (Ant man) and Kurt Russell (GoftG 2) 2 further examples.

GMTarkin I agree was very good and as it was a fairly big role in Rogue 1, they must have thrown a wedge of cash at it. Leia was a 2 second appearance, so understandable it was not as polished.

If the Luke reveal was akin to Leia, it wouldn’t have irked me. But to have Luke stood there talking and interacting.......it had to be good and it just wasn’t. They should have known that this was a massive moment.

I’m not plugged into the fanboy world, but I would be surprised if it went down well.

I accept budget limitations, but this, this was not something to fudge.

Unfortunately, Luke’s return was fantastic right up until he took his hood off.

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TBH, I didnt really notice much wrong with it, but then Im not obsessed with it.

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Agreed. Not perfect but I was too busy with tears in the eyes (onions or something nearby) to let it bug me. ;)

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exactly, and it is this kind of thing which kills my realism factor and ruins it for me

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I guess I’m spoiled by being old enough to have been brought up on British TV pre-realism, when everything was presented as electronic theatre and you were supposed to engage your imagination to overcome the limitations of VFX and studio-bound storytelling.

Luke’s face could have been better rendered for sure, but to say it ruined anything is a bit much.

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Totally agree - I'm not letting a minute or two of average CGI ruin what was an excellent episode/series.

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Disney+ have finally announced it.

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...7&d=1608570227

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Robert Rodriguez too? Damn. Between the three of them that is an awesome combo. It is certainly looking like Star Wars will go mainly TV based now and from what we have seen announced so far, they could nail this.

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oops, was only a matter of time...

https://www.rollingstone.com/tv/tv-n...orian-1126862/

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I don’t see what she said was wrong. Again, it’s wokeness hitting everywhere. Cancel something or someone because of their political beliefs.

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I don't think has anything to do with being 'woke':

https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-r...al-media-posts

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I don’t get it, what’s wrong with that comment. It’s not getting at or attacking Jews. ???

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It's the comparison of how Jews were treated in the Holocaust to the treatment of Republicans in the United States that is getting her into trouble. It's seen as trivialising the former.

A better explanation here: https://www.ushmm.org/information/pr...-are-dangerous

As a general rule, it's a bad idea to make flippant analogies to the Holocaust.

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During the last four years, people on the left made comparisons to Trump and the Nazis, and now it’s suddenly not ok, she’s made a political view. She should be allowed to say it. Yet again it’s a woke issue, a total overreaction by Disney.

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It's not comparisons to the Nazis that get you into trouble (although it is lazy), it's the Holocaust. Some people on the left under Corbyn got into trouble for the same thing (and continue to do so).

And she is allowed to say, it's legal, but Disney doesn't want to be associated with it clearly.

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i think this was the straw that broke the camel's back.

Disney wants to be family friendly, stay out of trouble and controversy, she was probably warned several times in the past about her tweets etc that upset various different people, and this was her last strike, which is a shame, as I liked her character, and in the past in interviews she's come across as nice, and talked about issues affecting her and other women in showbusiness, and been a positive role model, recently, not so much :(

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The left under Corbyn were being Antisemitic. Gina wasn’t. Disney are being pathetic here. Well she should file a lawsuit against them for breach of First Amendment rights.

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I think it’s a bit of an overreaction to a clumsy attempt at a comparison between recent political violence in the USA and pogroms against European Jews. This sort of misconception requires intelligent engagement, not slapping down. Attempting to enforce intellectual orthodoxy rarely ends well in the long run. As the Nazis themselves discovered.

That said, Disney is a corporation with the right to hire whoever they want within the law and they are very mindful of their brand image. Gina Carrano was not yet signed up for Mando season 3 so they haven’t even sacked her, they’ve just announced they won’t be re-hiring.

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https://www.freedomforuminstitute.or...dom-of-speech/

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Most actors normally have some sort of morality clause in their contracts anyways these days, so if an actor could make a show look bad then they can just get rid of them without issue.

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Still, it should be stressed that she was out of contract with Disney and all they have done is to say they won’t be renewing it. So even if there had been protections against sacking in cases like this, they would not apply here.

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Irrelevant. Only she did not make such comments in the work place - she made them on her own social media posts. They are her own private remarks not made during any performance.

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Perhaps the accompanying pic didn't help.

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...8&d=1613058798

Also
https://www.pajiba.com/celebrities_a...ding-again.php

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Yeah, that won’t have helped. I did wonder whether there was more of a pattern to her posted opinions because that one sentiment, in isolation, is a bit ignorant but hardly world-ending stuff.

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The relevant part was Because you said

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TBH I wish all celebs kept their political views to themselves instead of using their celebrity to push a political agenda. I follow a fair few on twitter but had to unfollow loads during the election period in the US got totally sick of it. I follow them for their work not their politics

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We already know that Disney (and pretty much the entire US TV Industry) is now run by the PC Brigade, so no surprise.

That said, I cant really have any sympathy for her or anyone else who gets into trouble for posting on [anti] social media these days.

Just dont do it, ever. Stop using it, problem solved.

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And her still making her political comments in a private capacity still applies which still makes your point moot.

If she was in contract and they terminate her on her speech made in a private setting, on her own time, they would not have a leg to stand on and no company whether private or public, can dictate a persons political beliefs.

As Chris points out she is not in contract, so Disney decide to wreck probably one of the key people/characters in a recurring role that makes the Mandalorian what it is.

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You're correct that they can't and don't dictate a person's political beliefs.

However they can and do look at those beliefs against the company's own and against the business policies that a person is contracted to. If there is a conflict then a private company can and do suspend or terminate employment. Or in this case not work with that person again.

It's not right or left thing either, people from both viewpoints have ended up in a situation for it. Here's a BBC piece about it from 2012:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-17660865

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From a US Law Firm.

https://www.chandralaw.com/faqs/what...endment-rights

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Again, your point is still moot - no company private or public can dictate political beliefs to someone, ever - period. They just cannot. Disney have essentially fired someone because of her political stance, which is wrong. :rolleyes:

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Can not wait for season 3 of The Mandalorian I wonder if we will ever see Grogu again or find out if he was killed by Kylo Ren