U.S Election 2020
 

Thread for the U.S Election 2020.

This is the thread to talk about the candidates, the election, polling and the aftermath of President-Elect Kayne West's shock 50 state sweep.

The election is on November 3, 2020. Trump is the Republican Nominee and Biden is the presumptive Democratic Nominee.

The current state of the polling is here: https://www.realclearpolitics.com/ep...iden-6247.html

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The risk for the Democrats is that they will fall back on smug complacency, as they are wont to do when faced with an opponent they assume everyone can see is unsuitable for the presidency. Al Gore v George Bush is a relatively recent example.

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Biden clinched the nomination last month - he is now the Nominee, rather than the presumptive Nominee.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...ial-nomination

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I don't think it's complacency but I do think their strategy is going to be to play it safe and try to make the election about Trump and not Biden. They probably need to ensure Biden is seen as 'safe' to Republican-Leaning swing voters or at the very least not inspire the fear/hatred that Clinton did. Enough to ensure that people who don't like Trump turn out and those who don't like either don't feel compelled to keep Biden out.

We've been here before so we're treating polls with skepticism. But Biden is ahead of where Clinton was in national polling but also even further ahead of her in the swing state polling. If it wasn't for the example of 2016 people would be calling it now.

Biden will hopefully not make the same mistakes as Clinton and visit the industral states. He is more popular in Michigan because of his assoication with the auto-bailout in 2008.

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Ah, I thought it was kept as 'presumptive' until the convention.

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And Biden now becoming the official Democrat Nominee, he will be in the Televised Presidential debates, head-to-head with Trump, there is usually 3 debates. Each one is going to be serious prime time tv around the world!

Especially when the hostilities between them have been quite severe... Biden once said he'd have been the type to Punch the bully boy Trump, behind the sports hall. Trump came back with the infamous rebuttal....

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...1&d=1594205999

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If it was a proper fight, I'd have money on a Trump win with a knockout 2cnd round.


Pity it's just peacock posturing, a promoter could make a fortune

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Read the full interview on the link above.

And you thought Trump had a few screws loose. :D

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To be honest, I think most Americans have a screw loose.

I don't have a problem with the concept of complete nutters trying to enter politics (monster raving loony party lol), but when those nutters seriously expect to win and are considered a genuine choice by the people and media. . . . yeah, ok :shocked:

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The Presidency is odd because you don't have all the hassle a Prime Minister has in working your way up through a party structure. I prefer our system as no PM can get to that position without getting selected by a local party or the party establishment to become an MP (decent chance of a nutter getting though), getting selected by the Parliamentary Party (low chance of a nutter getting though) and getting selected by the membership to lead the party (extremely high chance of a nutter).

If you have the money you can railroad the party establishment a lot easier in the United States although it's still hard. Trump is a rare exception. Obama wasn't the establishment choice at first but he wasn't unpopular with the DNC either.

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Original source link included.

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He had a new single/album out, this was obviously a publicity stunt.

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-53426285

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Best thing Trump could do is fire himself, he's done it to everyone else. Maybe he might realise who the problem is...

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Trailing in the polls is an hilarious line. He was trailing Hillary in 2016, yet he still won more States.

With Sleepy Joe Biden, making gaffe after gaffe, forgetting his words nearly every sentence. Trump should easily walk himself back in to victory.

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Apparently he's still in the race.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world...?ocid=msedgntp

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Big difference though this is not 2016 Mick but you knew that anyway.;)

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I think these comments apply more to Trump than Biden. :D:D:D

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Probably applies to most politicians anywhere ;)

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I don't. Trump can complete a sentence. (even if it is not necessarily the actual truth).

Biden goes on a tangent that makes absolute no sense and there is an absolute treasure trove of video evidence of it and he consistently forgets what he's saying, forgets what State he's in.

Sky News Austrailia have even discussed he has serious cognitive issues that cannot be ignored:-

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Trump can complete a sentence, the question is whether the sentence is formed entirely of English words. :D

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He's American, you can't expect him to be fluent in English ;)

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And Trump doesn't?:confused:

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No he doesn't, didn't I just say that above?

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To be fair Americans have *******ised the English language that much that pretty much anything goes.

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https://www.politico.com/news/2020/0...eadline-373008

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The rally seemed more like a cry for help than election.

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Republican National Conference 2020 in Jacksonville, Florida, called off.

https://www.npr.org/2020/07/23/89487...nal-convention

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A sensible move for public safety.

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Seems a sensible and balanced suggestion. :erm:
https://news.sky.com/story/trump-del...story-12039192

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Donald Trump cannot delay democracy pure and simple.

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No but the Democrats can subvert it through a rigged postal voting system, it won't matter much to sleepy joe cos he probably can't even remember an election is coming.

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l see a accusation based on what Donald Trump says.

Have you got any real evidence apart from what Donald says?.

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Not an accusation more a theory based on my opinion,postal voting is not as secure as voting in person, in my opinion the ballot papers pass through too many hands, would it be such an imposition for congress to delay the election Trump's going to win it anyway :shrug:

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He does seem to be waving a white flag, doesn't he? And it's not even November, yet.

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Its strange how he preaches democracy as and when it suits him but its a different story when it does not suit his own political ends.

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Or possibly forgetting he is trying to get elected as president....

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It's strange that Trump will accept postal votes from the military....

He's desperate and losing.

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You said that last time, you were wrong, just like you are on many other things.

Also - He cannot lose something that has not yet taken place. November 3rd is the day. :dunce:

Democrats seriously need to up their game, they've backed yet another disaster for a presidential candidate.

Yesterday, Biden could not even remember where he was again, then paused mid sentence, staring in to space.

Trump has nothing to worry about.

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Although this time Biden is polling much further ahead than Clinton was and much stronger in the swing-states. Considering how close it was last time it's not good for him to be going into the election further behind.

If the polls are wrong by the same amount, 1-2%, then Biden wins. If the polls are wrong but double the amount as last time then Biden wins even if his current polling lead halves.

Of course last time we thought Clinton was going to win and there is a long way to go. Trump is currently behind though.

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when asked people lie about who they will vote for.

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Why is he begging for the the election to be delayed then? Hardly the actions of a confident winner. He doesn't look or act 'compos mentis' himself.

You're right, Biden isn't the most inspirational candidate, but as long as he isn't Donald that'll will be enough. At least he is taking climate change seriously, by far the biggest threat facing the World.

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Is Biden competent to vote in an election or does someone have power of attorney over him so they can vote in his stead, any hoo a vote for him is just a vote for his vice president cos he'll be retired off after a month in office, lets hope he doesn't trigger a war in vietnam or cambodia or somewhere from the days before he went senile before they send him to the old folks home.

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I suspect that was a distraction technique to distract from the worst economic performance the country has endured since records began. Trump needs to follow the spending initiatives of us Europeans to save the country's economy. It wouldn't hurt him to pick up the phone to Sunak and listen to his advice.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-53574953

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If it's not on Fox News it's not real!

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Even if the election was delayed, any President’s term of office ends 4 years after their inauguration (unless they are re-elected).

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-52326166 Under the Twentieth Amendment (of the US Constitution) the incumbent President's term ends at noon on January 20th. There are no provisions of law permitting a President to stay in office after this date, even in the event of a national emergency, except by the ratification of a new constitutional amendment.

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Can some mod kindly resize Mr K's attatchment?

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I'd rather not go there to be frank, but the picture size has been modified.

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:D

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:D:D:D:D:D:D Thanks.

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It just needs to be delayenized by alterizing the rules.;)

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-53626546

But it’s OK for kids to go back to school?

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Couldn't they live stream it?

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Haven't they banned all the technology that does that :)

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Apparently Trump's now furiously back-pedalling on these claims as he actually depends on postal votes in key states like Florida!

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Maybe they should only allow postal votes for the states that Trump can win:)

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Sounds like the plan...

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I have to say I didn't understand the postal vote helping Democrats thing. Postals votes here tend to be for the elderly and the rural, who are more likely to vote Conservative/Republican.

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It was a "dead cat" deployed to divert attention from the the worst US recession on record being announced. The "dead cat" has served its purpose and can now be buried.

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Well, I wonder if this guy is right. He has a good record after all. Oh and he collabarated with a Russian to come up with his predictive system.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/05/o...e=articleShare

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So I can safely nip out to the bookies and put a wedge on Biden?

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Yes the bookies will love to take that bet.

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That is only a decision you can make.

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Biden's a bit too creepy and 'hands on' for my liking.

Is that the best the US has to offer, 2 people that aren't mentally all there to run the country. Crazy place...

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I'll take Biden over Trump any time.

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Then more fool you. You’ve clearly not done your research at all, just boringly jump on the Trump derangement bandwagon. Biden is in such a far left party, that does nothing for the Americans, he claims credit for stuff he was never part of, Trump does same.

The issue in America isn’t the presidency, it’s congress, the constant stale mating between each party prevents the actual job of one of the branches of government. Just recently, Republicans wanted to issue more money to every American, the pathetic Democrats voted it down, you got idiotic and drunken looking Pelosi parading in her multi million dollar mansion, showing her large buckets of Ice cream collection, while in her own district, becomes a complete shit hole.

But we’ve got used to Trump over last four years. He reacts more, says daft things and I’d rather have who we already know, Biden has serious cognitive issues. Gaff after gaff, he’s the biggest gift to Trump’s second term. The polls mean jack shit to me, given they said Crooked Hillary was going to win.

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Mick's highlighted some structural problems with the US consttiution which are interesting. But the correction of fake news is hitting Trump where it hurts, in social media and Covid-19 has been mishandled from the top.
I think this is why pollsters who correctly predicted Trump's victory in the last election are now predicting that Biden will win. Personally, I would have liked to have seen a younger candidate but I think Biden will be less disruptive to world trade and security though as Mick says, Trump is the devil you know, albeit an unpredictable one.

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Don't care! Trump is more of a liability for the world.

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This is a good edit.

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Thanks for confirming that you do not care about the increasing homelessness in the Democrat run areas and you want a Senile Democrat President, what a joke.

And this was from the WashingtonPost!!!

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...-homelessness/

Then again Maggy, you wanted a Corbyn led government, so I'll pass on your judgement about what you think would pass for good leadership qualities, you were quite happy to bring in socialism in this country and totally ruin it, go look up Venezuela and do some research for gods sake.

Trump, is not more of a liability than Biden would be, so you are completely wrong Maggy. Go look at the record of Biden over the last decades, go look at Democrat run cities, before you pipe up about who would be worse. You're absolutely in the TDS group for sure. I mean I've totally agreed that Trump says the most stupidest of things but I do not have a complete hatred for someone as deep as yours goes for Trump, so much so that you would prefer someone far worse than Trump would be as president, which is totally the wrong attitude to have.

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Meanwhile, Gaff prone idiot Biden strikes again, is asking the American public to test his men...l f.tn...., I mean ment.....



Btw, Biden lied in this interview, he has said before today that he has daily cognitive tests and would have tests and now he saying why the hell does he need to have a test.

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The debates are going to be worth watching! Personally I don't think Biden was the best choice for the Dems.

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He is not but he is a damn sight better then the current incumbent in the White House.

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Given the choice between those two, I'd guess a one way ticket to Venezuela is a decent option ;)

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How is a stumbling and seemingly forgetful Biden a damn sight better Den?

Yet again, it's the usual Trump man bad, with a ignorant attitude of anyone would be better than Trump, you have absolutely no idea how bad Biden would be because you've clearly done no research in to Biden's past. Go look up his past record as a Senator and then come back to me and tell me how he would be better as president, absolutely nothing stands out to what Biden has done in 40 years in Washington that's made any real difference...??

Lets see bits of the controversial stuff:-

• Biden opposed school busing for desegregation in the 1970s.
  
• He voted for a measure aimed at outlawing gay marriage in the 1990s.
  
• He backed crime legislation that many blamed for helping fuel an explosion in prison populations.
  
• He eulogized Sen. Strom Thurmond (someone totally against civil rights), who rose to prominence as a segregationist.
  
• Biden backed the Iraq war.

So you have BLM and the hard left ripping down Statues of former presidents which owned slaves, yet they seem to want to settle with Biden with historical traits which seem to match the very people BLM now oppose. Go figure. :rolleyes:

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But to be fair he's probably forgotten he voted for all that stuff :dunce:

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Well today, make this gaff number 2454784547874547856985478547:

Biden's said today "Unlike the African American Community ... the Latino Community Is an Incredibly Diverse Community."

And yes, holy shit he said that.

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In a way he is correct. The AfroAmerican community is made up of AfroAmericans.
The latino community on the other hand is made up of Mexicans, Chileans, Venusualiansl Argentinians etc, etc.

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That's not what he was saying, so no he isn't correct at all.

He said Latino's are more diverse, with different attitudes, towards different things, key word is "Unlike African Americans"

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Apparently one of the reasons for 'African Americans' as a term is they don't know the original country their ancestors came from.

I find the hyphenated identity thing in America quite odd. People are 'Italian-American' or 'Irish-American' many generations after their predecessors immigrated to the point that I would feel the term is sort of useless?

Compare that with here were anyone 2nd generation onwards is usually 'British' even if they keep some identification/dual nationality with the country from which their parents or grandparents immigrated from.

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Can't disagree with you there Damiam, it is stupid but that's Americans.:D:D

Meanwhile Biden is apparently anti God, anti bible and anti guns.(not verbatim)

https://twitter.com/Breaking911/stat...33650991632389

BTW Biden is a practicing Catholic. Trump does not appear to practice any religious faith.

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This HHGTTG quote sums up Trump

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All their stats seem to broken down by the colour of folks skin. It's such a backward country in some ways. Orange skinned people are particularly despised for some reason..... Biden may not be the best candidate, but he's white, male and not Trump, which will be enough.

Climate change is the biggest threat facing the world. The virus is a minor hiccup in comparison. It may already be too late, but if Tango man is re-elected then we've no hope.

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It's always the more romantic nations as well. You don't get many people saying their English-Americans or French-Americans despite entire states being named things like Louisiana with it's capital New Orleans

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Isn't it now Latinox to save saying where they actually hail from?

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I think it's just because as a demographic group the specific countries they're from is less important than the region. Same with Asian-American.

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Latinx, as it’s gender-neutral (Latino is masculine and Latina is feminine in Hispanic languages)

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Ah, a woke title then.

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Not really - it’s neutral, as Romantic languages tend to default to the male pronoun.

We say "British", we know that means British men and women - Latino means Hispanic men (literally translated).

In other news, apparently Biden will hurt the Bible and hurt God...

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Biden has a chequered past, and questionable comments on race, though unlikely to pulled up on that on CNN and MSNBC.

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Biden is a rubbish candidate. I would rather he wins than Trump but that's literally the only enthusiasm I have for the man. Certainly not minded to defend his idiotic comments.

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:tu:

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In your opinion of course, Den.....

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Well of course it is. Whomever you support it's all opinion is it not?

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Its all about opinions is it not MM...

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l am not questioning that but its a choice between two poor candidates at the end of the day and as the old saying goes you pays your money and you takes your choice.

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Glad I don't live somewhere that gives you a choice between two (or three) candidates/parties, none of which are fit for purpose . . . oh, hang on :D

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I think the US peaked recently with Obama. Whilst he was not perfect, he had obvious intelligence, a strong work ethic, relative youth, a guiding purpose, international popularity and an engaging personality.

I think today's candidates tick far fewer of these boxes.

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Not a expert on US politics but you can go right back to Nixon as most of the presidents since then have had imperfections and flaws in their presidency.

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BREAKING: U.S President Donald Trump escorted out of Press briefing by Secret Service as active shooter near White House is shot by law enforcement.

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Ooft....

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Good, serves him right.

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Had nothing to do with him just an idiot outside. He was back in the briefing within 9 mins.