UHD on Virgin Media
 

Since setting up my 2 V6s and supplementing them with my HDD recorder so that all my recordings are now in HD (where available), I have been pondering about what to do with future programmes broadcast in UHD, given that recording such programmes will be so hungry for space that it would be impractical to do so. I will not go back to watching live broadcast TV because I want to watch my selected content at times that are convenient to me, and without having to sit through advertisements.

I was beginning to think that the recording issue would be avoided by all UHD material on Virgin Media being made available on demand only, but I notice that Vodaphone in Spain have launched a UHD service which will allow you to watch programmes aired on UHD broadcast channels through the cloud.

This seems to me the most likely method that will be adopted by Virgin Media, although given their current philosophy, they could well decide to go down the on demand route only.

Does anyone have any information regarding the route that Virgin will take, and what would you prefer VM to do to being UHD to our screens other than by way of Netflix, You Tube and (hopefully) Amazon?

http://www.broadbandtvnews.com/2017/...odafone-spain/

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A 4k uhd Movie roughly takes up 17GB of storage on my sky q silver so it is feasible with 2TB or greater storage.

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While this is indeed feasible, it would nevertheless restrict how much I want to record, so personally, I hope we have a cloud recording ability before long. I just hope that this won't be coming with a small time window in which to view it, or that will be similarly pretty useless as far as I am concerned.

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The weekly episode of Lucky Man Series 2 in UHD (45 mins) comes in at around 6GB so as you say not to bad on a 2TB drive or greater. It's also pretty good PQ.:D

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I have a suspicion that the V6 may have a cloud recording function that has not been activated yet.

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I'm guessing the V6 rollout allowed both H264 and possibly H265 to be introduced. I could be wrong, but the V6 boxes may use multicast IP streams rather than DVB-C. Anyone know if this is the case?

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Any basic IP device is capable of accessing the Cloud , Netflix and Amazon are already cloud based services.

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VM can only use encodings that are compatible with all boxes that are in the field, except where services can be controlled by box type. For example, Sky Movies HD On Demand is H.264, but is only made available on TiVo boxes.

DVB-C is already present on the network, so the V6 boxes may as well use it. It would be unnecessary duplication to also carry content with multicast IP.

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Agree. Just realised I had misunderstood the install of the new box as I had assumed (wrongly) it was all over Ethernet. That's a bit of a shame as this could be been a good time to go full IP and start looking to free up spectrum (not that it is in short supply). Also could have made installs more flexible.

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I wonder if this will convince Virgin Media that their viewers ARE interested in having UHD programming?

http://advanced-television.com/2017/...-tv-set-sales/

GfK: UHD now leading TV set sales



Despite there being no major sporting event in 2017 such as the European Football Championship Finals or the Olympics to drive sales of Ultra HD TV sets, UHD is now the dominant HD type, according to Nick Simon, Account Director/Consumer Electronics, GfK.

Delivering a Keynote Address at the SES Ultra HD Conference in London, suggested that this was particularly the case in the >£350 and 44-inch and above categories. He nevertheless noted that prices were not declining as much as analysts would have expected. “Prices are not going down anything like the freefall before,” he noted.


He also noted that UHD was getting to the stage where it was approaching other categories in volume terms and was some two-thirds of TV sales. “Compared with previous conferences, it’s no longer a case of: ‘It’s going to happen’, it’s happening. It’s the currency of TV sales now,” he declared, noting that UHD overtook ‘Full HD’ in volume terms in 2016.

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An interesting article here in relation to the BBC and UHD.

http://advanced-television.com/2017/...-ultra-hd-hdr/

BBC fully backs Ultra HD, HDR


Andy Quested, the BBC’s HD & UHD Head of Technology, told delegates at the SES Ultra-HD conference in London that the broadcaster was fully behind UHD and the ‘Rec 2020’ standard which allows for High Dynamic Range images. “Everything we do today has to stand the test of time. Planet Earth 1, made some 11 years ago, is still being watched and is still selling [to overseas buyers]. We are investing in the very best images that can be generated, and also paying considerable attention to audio which is the cherry on the top.”

He explained how important it was that a single standard was employed so as not to disenfranchise existing viewers, and to avoid having to create multiple streams of video for those viewers. The BBC is behind its Hybrid Log Gamma (HLG) transmission system, developed jointly by the BBC and NHK of Japan.

“All future commissions will be made in HLG (and PQ [Perceptual Quantiser] if needed by a co-production partner or overseas broadcaster) because we are an international broadcaster,” he added.

“These days the BBC makes very little ‘in house’ material. Even BBC Studios is now a separate organisation. As far as independent production houses are concerned, their archive is their long-term pension! They also want to produce in the highest-possible standard. So we are seeing more and more UHD productions underway. Many are utilising high-quality cameras, but storing the rushes because the client doesn’t need UHD today. But they can go back to them later if there’s a market. I am confident that you will see more UHD especially in high-end drama and episodic series, provided we have the budget.”

Quested said that despite pressures – not least from the TV retail sector – there was not a single UHD channel available in the UK. I can watch UHD on Sky, but that is not a traditional linear channel. I could describe it as a ‘live on demand’ service. This is a great way of doing it because it helps with bandwidth demand. Once Sky gets its act together on HDR, then everyone can see the trials we have done via the BBC’s iPlayer and seen on a much greater range of displays. I would say that one of the reasons we have invested in Natural History productions [in UHD] is because we are good at it. But there are also some high-end dramas and drama series which should be available as many of them are potentially UHD. I am sure Sherlock has been shot on suitable cameras, same with Happy Valley, and there are others. Once there is a revenue stream it is going to happen. The next few years will be a mixed environment. There will be HD with HDR, UHD with HDR and there might even be some 8K floating around eventually. But there will not be a single, fixed service, the way we work today. It is all about the value of the programme, the longevity of the programme and it is common sense that where there’s a value [in adopting the technology] it will be used.”

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If UHD is now 'driving the market', perhaps Virgin Media will take note and give us what we've been asking for!

They could start by providing those Virgin Exclusives in UHD.

http://www.seenit.co.uk/futuresource...ng-the-market/

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As VM refuses to sort out UHD for it's loyal customers are we led to the conclusion that the V6 boxes are not capable of displaying UHD?

This thread started with a post about the amount of space taken up by UHD recordings on SkyQ - could it be the lack of disk space in a V6 (no bigger disk version) means UHD will not be practical?

The suggested cloud storage through V6 - is this just pie in the sky?

The only thing for certain is VM don't seem to be able to supply UHD transmissions, despite sky having had UHD football for over a year.

Not that impressed!

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According to this link, DVR recording to the cloud will be rolled out by Liberty Global next February. This may explain why the V6 is limited to 1TB, and it may also be the solution to the problem of disk space for UHD recordings.


http://www.digitaltveurope.net/74598...ngs-next-year/

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From your link
Probably the UK :D

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Let's hope not! :erm:

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It may not be but it certainly wouldn't surprise me.

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I would suggest that the UK is the country, given the article mentions Horizon, rather than TiVo.

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How does recording to the cloud work?

Does it mean there is an infinite amount of storage in the cloud that I could utilise?

If I told box to record something on the cloud, will it stay there for me until I decide I no longer want it - however long that may be?

Is this going to cost me?

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These are good questions, Raider. At the moment, I believe you could only retain recordings for a limited time in the cloud - 9 months, I think it is. However, I am hoping this will change to allow users to keep the recordings for 18 months to 2 years in the near future.

I may be corrected on this, but I think a 'recording' to the cloud is similar to bookmarking. As far as the viewer is concerned, you just have to take the appropriate option. The programme will appear in 'My Shows' and you will access this in much the same way as you do now.

The cloud is really a store of all available programmes, similar to the 'on demand' principle, and you bookmark against the content of that store.

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That is disappointing, I was hoping for something better than on demand. My viewing is mainly sport and sport has very little on demand.

Unless this improves it sounds like cloud recording will be a waste of time for me.

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https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2017/09/15.jpg

When following a link from Virgin to sign up for a V6 due to the price rise, it mentioned Netflix and BT Sport in 4k if subscribed. On the community forums they said it's a mistake and have now removed 'BT Sport' but I think it could be an early leak that BT Sport in 4k will be coming soon. What do others think?


Also a new app called 'Virgin TV Go' coming next year.

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Hopefully, you are correct - however UHD football is currently only on BT tv and isn't a channel as such, it downloads from the Internet.

Hopefully the new app will allow me to download what I want from my shows on my V6 boxes.

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I think we are more likely to see BT Sport UHD in the near future than Sky Sport UHD!

Does anyone know when the wholesale deal with BT comes up for review?

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Around July or August I think

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Maybe that's when we'll get it, then, if it's coming at all.

If BT want a lot of money for BT Sport UHD, let's hope VM can persuade them to throw in AMC as well!

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UHD... Work in progress. Quite expensive on bandwidth. Use your experience and be patient, OLD BOY, once networks are ready and penetration of UHD TVs are high enough all should be fine.

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There have been several posts with links to reports that UHD is driving TV sales.

All we want is content on Virgin - currently we are the poor relations in this respect.

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Even the Amazon app would do for now at least that would open up UHD content to more homes with a V6 and prime subscription

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Not for me - no interest in Amazon, only UHD sport.

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Don't forget Amazon is starting to get sports rights now and they are said to be considering bidding for the PL rights later this year

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Yes, but if UHD sport was available on Amazon, you would have an interest!

It doesn't matter what channel/service it's on from the point of view of viewing the material. That only matters in terms of access and pricing.

I would not expect Amazon to be so difficult about which platforms their sport was available on in beautiful UHD as Sky! They would still get their subscription money, so they won't have a problem with that.

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It is bad enough having to subscribe to Sky sports and BT sports to watch football, absolutely no wish to have to pay even more if Amazon get rights as well.

Competition has only ever driven the overall price up - if we were back to the good old days of 1 platform having all the rights we would be better off.

It seems to be alright for other sports (Rugby Union, Super League and for European Champions/Europa Leagues so why not Premier League football?

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Probably because PL football is seen as the jewel in the crown!

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A more likely scenario would be Amazon taking over from Sky or BT, although with more matches becoming available, there could be more providers coming in. As this would be content you otherwise wouldn't have, it would be a bonus rather than more expense for the same number of channels.

And of course if Amazon entered the fray by screening those extra matches, it would be interesting to see how BT would react to Amazon's pricing.

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That would cost them an absolute fortune, meaning they would either have to charge very high prices (putting people off) or run at a loss (unlikely).

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So you think Amazon have less money to spend than Sky or BT? Where did that idea come from?

As I said previously, Amazon could pay more but also make more money than Sky by being less precious about which platforms it broadcasts on and by making available smart packages which those with less disposable income could afford.

It is highly likely that lower prices and a less monopolistic approach could actually yield increased revenue.

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History tells us that more competition means higher prices as established broadcasters strive to retain the rights they have and new broadcasters try to break into the market (as shown by the rocketing prices as sky and BT battle for the rights)

As for the argument that there may be extra games broadcast which will be a bonus - it is only a bonus if they are free - which I seriously doubt.

I believe you can buy day tickets to sky if you wish and cannot afford the monthly subs, so you already have your wish.

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Competition will ultimately bring prices down. We are likely to start seeing that within the next five years, I would say.

I disagree with your point about the extra matches. They are additional to what you have now and so if you want to pay more to view extra matches, of course that's a bonus. At least that provides additional choice.

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No evidence to support your view re competition - all evidence supports the opposite.

Yes they are additional to what we currently have, but having to pay for them means more money going out so hardly a bonus.

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see you keep saying that lie OB it only ever means price go up bet you still cant name one thing it has come down wont hold my breath waiting

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Amazon have been known to run at a loss before, the fire tv box and sticks were sold at a loss with the hope that people would sub to their Amazon prime/instant video service so i wouldn't rule it out.

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Rain :p:

but how is it a lie whilst in general prices haven't come down however more and more offers are being made by companies which in turn can bring the consumers costs down.

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Interesting, this. It might signify that we will be getting some UHD content on demand from the BBC soon. That'll please Ddonald!

http://advanced-television.com/2017/...d-wows-cannes/

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And will you be pleased as lately your grumping has reached epidemic levels on here OB.;):D

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Or it could simply be that BBC Worldwide will release it on UHD Blu Ray.;)

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Spoilsport!

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Is VM listening, do you think?

What's Virgin's motto? 'Keep up'?

http://www.digitaltveurope.net/75855...ent-in-4k-uhd/

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If you are such a severe critic of Virgin then it begs the question of why are you still with them?.

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Because I prefer their system and value for money to Sky. However, I just wish they would live up to their motto and move a bit faster.

I don't think I'm alone in thinking that, Den. I take it you are completely satisfied.

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Yes we are currently as we are not as demanding as some who think they should have everything but forget that there is a difference between a fantasy and real actual reality.

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We should have 'everything' given the amount and size of price increases in the last few years. Hard to keep track, but I'm guessing it's somewhere around 25%.

Never mind VM, have created a new post, 'Director of Connectivity', so that's all good ;)

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why dont Virgin Media giving us Funbox 4k tv channel theres alot of shows to watch and let full house get it free ?

Re: UHD on Virgin Media
 

*slightly off topic but not really*

I must admit the lack of 4K content, not just on Virgin, is the reason I am not in a hurry to buy a new 4K HDR TV. I am usually an early adopter so have been itching to upgrade my TV both in size but also technology... and I was thinking of doing so last year around this time but I waited as I was having some built in shelving made for the living room and had an aperture made so I could fit a 55" TV in it and wanted to wait until that was done before I purchased a new tv (to make sure of measurements etc). I am glad I waited as prices have come down a LOT in those 12 months and there still isn't a huge amount of 4K content, except on Amazon and netflix... and even that is limited.

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It just seems to be a 4K demo reel channel?

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Services like 'Insight' might be better, although this seems not to be available beyond the US at present.

https://www.rapidtvnews.com/20171023...#axzz4wPOLMnJs

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There is some UHD content on British TV, mostly sport via Sky Sports and BT Sports - the problem as I see it is VM is lagging well behind as it doesn't offer any of this!

Despite telling us V6 boxes are UHD ready, one wonders ready for what as it hasn't agreed deals to get this content on our screens.

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There is no indication that there is even anything to negotiate for. Both BT and Sky are using UHD content as marketing for their own platform.

You can't get BT UHD on Sky or Sky UHD on BT.

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"Separately, having operated a FTA demo version of Funbox 4K/UHD for the past year, Eutelsat and SPI have recently switched from the demo loop to a full channel. Funbox will also start to be encrypted from October 22."

https://www.broadbandtvnews.com/2016...mazon-fire-tv/

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Not a chance of UHD coming to Virgin anytime soon IMO.

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Which is why, in my view, Virgin needs to acquire UHD content that Sky and BT don't have.

Think Virgin Media exclusives on demand in UHD, other streaming services in UHD, and so on. I trust that Eurosport UHD will come to VM as soon as it is launched as well.

Hopefully, the BT wholesale deal can be upgraded before the existing contract comes to an end in 2019 and we can get their sports channels in UHD as part of that new contract, although I suspect that nothing will be forthcoming until 2019, assuming BT are still in the game by then.

As for Sky Sports - when is our existing contract due to be re-negotiated? I don't think Sky will actually withhold UHD, but they might want a pretty packet for it. However, that ceases to be an issue if Amazon come marching in! :D

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come on OB you know sky well enough don't you no chance they let anyone else ever have UHD sports or SA

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i messaged Funbox last week on face book and got this replie back

" We are looking forward to launching our channels with more platforms in the UK. So far we broadcast two Polish language channels on Virgin Media but not The International Ones "

defo not a NO then

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The members on here have told him that Dave but alas its very hard to convince someone as stubborn as a Alabama tick.:)

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They said that about Sky HD channels once, Dave!

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:rolleyes:

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you know fine well only got them because VM sold sky it tv channels OB more chance of snowing in hell forever than sky letting anyone have UHD sport or SA

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And Sky VOD and Sky Sports Red Button? All in exchange for half a dozen dead-in-the-water channels?

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That's absolute nonsense to make comments like " will never happen", or " more chance of it snowing in hell forever " it's already been pointed out to you by both OB, and SP, that deals were done with Sky to get HD channels, and Sky VOD and Sky Sports Red Button, so you can never say that another deal wont happen.

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I'm just guessing, but new content coming from USA is starting to be available in UHD (the derisible, Inhumans series, for example) on-demand on Sky Q boxes.

Eventually there's going to be a "live" option in red button or a new channel to watch this content. Whether this just shares bandwidth with the Sports content (on non-sports nights) who knows.

Eventually Sky will hit a critical mass of Sky Q 2Tb customers with the £12 Sky Q Multiscreen subscriptions to make a full time UHD channel viable. Given the current growth figures for Sky Q then that shouldn't be very far away, hopefully.

Given that less than half of Sky customers take Sky Sports now, it's more likely to be a channel showing US imports and Sky Original productions, i.e. a Sky Atlantic UHD channel.

Just guessing...

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So the 2018 World Cup will be shown in UHD. Now we know that UHD will come to Virgin in 2018!

http://advanced-television.com/2017/...hdr-world-cup/

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Do we neither the BBC or ITV have UHD broadcasts setup and there's no confirmation they will.

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Its every 4 years and as MM says who say they are going to show it in UHD?.

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You do know that whoever in the UK has the rights has to actually broadcast the UHD feed, right?

That just means matches will be recorded in HDR UHD. What individual platforms do with the stream is up to them. It's perfectly possible that, in the UK, most of it will be transcoded down to 1080i.

VM aren't far off clearing bandwidth. Unfortunately broadband Internet needs most of it. Once the network is SDV / IPTV it's far more doable.

VM are rebuilding some older networks at the moment also. When that's done it should open up some options. For now they would have some areas unable to receive 4k which would probably cause complaints.

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since bbc or itv don't have UHD and unlikely too by June no

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Oh, I think the World Cup is a sufficient incentive for the BBC to bring this to us in UHD on the BBC I-Player. Nothing has been confirmed yet but watch this space!

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They are already trialling UHD on iPlayer now.

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Dave, ffs man, cheer up...............

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eh just stating a FACT

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They can’t even give you sky movies on demand in hd let alone uhd just a hand full of movies is hd on demand and some times the big releases are only available in sd ie Star Wars force awakens, batman verses superman, spectre when you address it with virgin they just fob you off, defo off back to sky next year

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It's not a fact, Dave, it's just what you think. As spanky says, they have trialled it on the i-player already, and it looked great by the way, so if the feed is provided to them on a plate, there's no reason why they can't put a bit of effort into this.

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The same bandwidth is reserved for broadcast TV across the entire network.

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please tell us what platform BBC and ITV UHD channels are on OB oh yeah none they don't have UHD as I said I was stating a FACT

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The voice of doom speaks again. ;)

As already mentioned, the BBC only have to put the live feed onto the BBC i-Player. They trialled a UHD sequence on there a few months ago. As you say, there is no BBC UHD channel as yet and there probably won't be for some time.

I don't honestly know whether ITV is likely to be able to provide UHD in time for the match. I would be inclined to say that they won't be able to achieve this but I have no specific information to back that up.

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so tell us OB how is stating a FACT voice of doom unless you don't like facts like

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This casts a little extra light on whether the UK will benefit from seeing the World Cup in UHD.

The article lends support to the likelihood of the BBC taking advantage of this opportunity, and the probability that ITV will pass on this one.

http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/1282...shot-in-4k-hdr

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How can it be a fact when I have already reminded you that the BBC can stream the World Cup on the i-Player? They have already tested UHD by this method.

I accept that you may not think it will happen, but that doesn't make it a fact.

Dave, in your world, nothing is ever going to change, you will never get old and you will live forever. Well, good luck with that... :walk:

Re: UHD on Virgin Media
 

Exactly. That's my point. Areas on 750M networks that are full won't have space for the extra multiplexes.

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tell us what number the and platform UHD channel is there isn't one FACT

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But would that problem impact on the ability of VM to allow UHD on apps like the BBC i-Player? It doesn't appear to be a problem on Netflix or You Tube.

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i-Player, Dave, i-Player. Come on, keep up! :D

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that's not a channel keep up OB I said channel :D:D:D

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What difference does it make that it is being streamed rather than by numbered channels on the EPG?!!

This is the way of the future, Dave and you may as well get used to it. Incidentally, the i-Player is a 'channel', but not a conventional broadcast channel.

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No extra multiplexes are required. The existing ones have sufficient capacity.

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So if someone does not agree with you there must be quite a few doom merchants on here then.:)

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I am about to purchase a new telly and will buy a 4K HDR one (still debating which model but that's another discussion).

I know there's no 4K broadcast on Virgin yet BUT does Netflix 4K work through the V6 Netflix app?

I suspect it won't work for me anyway as the amp that I route my V6 through isn't 4K capable (something else to upgrade) and I suspect I can use the Netflix app on the telly itself. But just curious if the V6 has enabled 4K through Netflix.

Apologies if answered elsewhere on the thread...

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More links so it must happen then?.

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Well most of your facts does not make it a true fact either as l still waiting for 99% of it to happen OB.

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I'm sure he doesn't mean it that way, Den, and as you know Dave is the ultimate doom merchant on here..........:D

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I ask again how is stating a fact being a doom merchant

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l know that MM as one has to have light-hearted moments but of course staying within the boundaries of good taste.:nono:

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There are a lot worse things one can be called in life.:)

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Yes V6 supports 4K, delivered by Netflix and YouTube.
Remember you need a Netflix 4K subscription.

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It isn't, Dave. The problem is, it's not a fact. It's your view, that is all.

It is a fact, however, that the BBC have been trialling UHD broadcasting through the i-Player. Given that, I am saying that if there is going to be a World Cup feed, the Beeb are equipped to bring this to the UK audience.

I don't really understand why you are having doubts about this. Please explain.

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Okay - I wasn't sure how far the business was along with the MP2 -> MP4 migration.

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To my mind, constant negative comments about anything that could happen in the future do sound a bit doom laden!

I dare say when Dave's wife tells him that she'll bring a nice treat home with her in the groceries, he swears it will never happen any time soon!