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ianch99 11-02-2017 02:46
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I am not too clued up about the American democratic process but how is Trump issuing EO's to enact policy without the Senate and Congress being involved to ratify them. Where's the democratic process here?

Seems really strange to me ..

papa smurf 11-02-2017 07:22
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35885151)
I am not too clued up about the American democratic process but how is Trump issuing EO's to enact policy without the Senate and Congress being involved to ratify them. Where's the democratic process here?

Seems really strange to me ..
Executive orders are issued by United States presidents and directed towards officers and agencies of the Federal government of the United States. Executive orders have the full force of law when based on the authority derived from statute or the Constitution itself. The ability to make such orders is also based on express or implied Acts of Congress that delegate to the President some degree of discretionary power (delegated legislation).[1]

Like both legislative statutes and regulations promulgated by government agencies, executive orders are subject to judicial review and may be overturned if the orders lack support by statute or the Constitution.[2] Major policy initiatives require approval by the legislative branch, but executive orders have significant influence over the internal affairs of government, deciding how and to what degree legislation will be enforced, dealing with emergencies, waging wars, and in general fine-tuning policy choices in the implementation of broad statutes.
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TheDaddy 11-02-2017 07:29
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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35885160)
Executive orders are issued by United States presidents and directed towards officers and agencies of the Federal government of the United States. Executive orders have the full force of law when based on the authority derived from statute or the Constitution itself. The ability to make such orders is also based on express or implied Acts of Congress that delegate to the President some degree of discretionary power (delegated legislation).[1]

Like both legislative statutes and regulations promulgated by government agencies, executive orders are subject to judicial review and may be overturned if the orders lack support by statute or the Constitution.[2] Major policy initiatives require approval by the legislative branch, but executive orders have significant influence over the internal affairs of government, deciding how and to what degree legislation will be enforced, dealing with emergencies, waging wars, and in general fine-tuning policy choices in the implementation of broad statutes.
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:Yikes:

I'd be pooing my pants if I were Mexican, especially since he threatened, sorry kindly offered to perhaps send the troops in to "assist" the mexicans with "some real bad hombres" just the other day

papa smurf 11-02-2017 09:06
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Donald Trump 'considering NEW IMMIGRATION ORDER' after travel ban suspension

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/...er-white-house


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38941016

1andrew1 11-02-2017 18:25
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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35885161)
:Yikes:

I'd be pooing my pants if I were Mexican, especially since he threatened, sorry kindly offered to perhaps send the troops in to "assist" the mexicans with "some real bad hombres" just the other day
It's not that long ago that Mexican troops crossed the US border to help the US out. https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...=.815f0abcfdf8

Mick 11-02-2017 20:14
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35885161)
:Yikes:

I'd be pooing my pants if I were Mexican, especially since he threatened, sorry kindly offered to perhaps send the troops in to "assist" the mexicans with "some real bad hombres" just the other day
That's FAKE NEWS, according to this:-

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.e8b70a89995a

Quote:
MEXICO CITY — Did President Trump threaten to invade Mexico?

That's the question at the heart of the new controversy over the phone call last Friday between Trump and President Enrique Peña Nieto of Mexico, and both sides say the answer is no. Several published accounts mentioned that Trump referred to all the "bad hombres" in Mexico and said that the U.S. military might have to take care of the problem if Mexico's armed forces weren't up to the task.

Mexican officials did not equate that with a threat to deploy south of the border.

"It's absolutely false that the United States president threatened to send troops to Mexico," Peña Nieto's spokesmen Eduardo Sanchez said in a radio interview.

TheDaddy 11-02-2017 20:27
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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35885258)
That's FAKE NEWS, according to this:-

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.e8b70a89995a
Not surprised they're not admitting it, is it true is it fake news, who knows, I for one am just glad there's another story doing the rounds about trump and hombres, brings back memories of the debates

1andrew1 12-02-2017 00:19
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Public support Speaker Bercow on barring Donald Trump from Parliament speech, poll finds

The public is broadly split on the subject of Donald Trump’s forthcoming state visit to the UK:
* 45% agree that Bercow was right to block Trump from speaking in Parliament, 39% disagreed.
* 47% say that when he comes he should meet the Queen.
* A majority of people disagree with the President’s “Muslim ban”,
* Only 29% back a similar travel ban for the UK. However, 75% of Ukip voters support a similar ban.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7575481.html

Mick 12-02-2017 01:03
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35885293)
Public support Speaker Bercow on barring Donald Trump from Parliament speech, poll finds

The public is broadly split on the subject of Donald Trump’s forthcoming state visit to the UK:
* 45% agree that Bercow was right to block Trump from speaking in Parliament, 39% disagreed.
* 47% say that when he comes he should meet the Queen.
* A majority of people disagree with the President’s “Muslim ban”,
* Only 29% back a similar travel ban for the UK. However, 75% of Ukip voters support a similar ban.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7575481.html
I guess you missed my post (re-posted below) that absolutely makes that poll seem like alternative facts....That poll is at odds with a larger sample size of polling done across 10 EU Countries, over 10,000 people were asked about Trumps Immigrant ban, only 20% disagreed with it and in no Country was the disagree amount above 32%.

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35884656)

As for the Travel ban, which others like to call it.... shock horror:-

55% of Europeans agree with Trump's Immigration Restriction, only 20% disagreed with it, 25% neither agreed or disagreed or was not sure of it....

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a7567301.html

TheDaddy 12-02-2017 01:43
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Wonder if the donalds worried, I doubt he is although it's early days, might be a different story in a few months

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/

passingbat 12-02-2017 13:10
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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35885296)
I guess you missed my post (re-posted below) that absolutely makes that poll seem like alternative facts....That poll is at odds with a larger sample size of polling done across 10 EU Countries, over 10,000 people were asked about Trumps Immigrant ban, only 20% disagreed with it and in no Country was the disagree amount above 32%.

Expect to see that reported on the BBC news.... or maybe not.

1andrew1 12-02-2017 13:32
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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35885296)
I guess you missed my post (re-posted below) that absolutely makes that poll seem like alternative facts....That poll is at odds with a larger sample size of polling done across 10 EU Countries, over 10,000 people were asked about Trumps Immigrant ban, only 20% disagreed with it and in no Country was the disagree amount above 32%.
They're different polls taken at different times with different questions so unlikely to be the same. I don't know what the sample size of the most recent one was but it could well be higher for the UK than the 1,000 people in the UK which the previous poll was.

---------- Post added at 13:32 ---------- Previous post was at 13:23 ----------

A cunning move if true.

The US President hopes a sell-out arena address will celebrate the special relationship during his state visit to Britain later this year.
Plans are under discussion with Whitehall officials to stage the event and the £10 ticket sales will be donated to Britain’s war veterans.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/766...stadium-speech

Mick 12-02-2017 14:17
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Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35885345)
Expect to see that reported on the BBC news.... or maybe not.
I wouldn't see it because I don't, nor would I ever, watch BBC News, too liberal.

Mr K 12-02-2017 14:20
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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35885358)
I wouldn't see it because I don't, nor would I ever, watch BBC News, too liberal.
lol Mick you are most amusing sometimes :D

I avoid BBC weather too, communist weather for the brain dead masses....

passingbat 12-02-2017 14:21
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Here's what makes no sense to me re these travel ban protests.

The seven countries were identified by the Obama administration as needing more travel restrictions. The problem is that the documentation they arrive with lacks a significant amount of relevant information to see if they are a security risk. Hence the need for a temporary ban to work out ways to fill those gaps. That seems sensible to me.

How can it be a Muslim ban, if many, many more Muslim nations are not affected by the ban?

Why were there no massive protests when Obama banned Iraqis from entering the country for 6 months?

Where are the massive protests against rich Muslim nations not taking in refugees?


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