Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

night pete, sleep well

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Priceless :clap:

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I have to agree, it is a total conflict of interest.
Either the phorm system should stay away from the Article 29 working party or 80/20 withdraw from participation. It's that simple.

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I note that BT/Phorm are still pushing the cookie opt-in/out
BT Webwise uses cookies stored on your computer to capture your preference. These cookies are linked to individual computers, user accounts and browsers, so you will need to switch the service on or off from each computer, user account and browser you use. If you delete the cookie, you'll need to reset your preference.

If you delete the cookie, you'll need to reset your preference.... or should that say... 'if you delete the cookie you will need to opt-out again'?

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Isn't there a law to stop people like Mr E being named after Counties of this fair land.having said that I'm From the Royal County,on the otherhand !!!!! quite fitting.So self appraisal is the order of the day maybe Phorm will turn into an IT specialist to examine future tech now there's an easy way to to get the oppositions ideas.

Tarquin

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

You've probably all reached a conclusion on this but I've been trawling through the documents from the ICO (very impressive it is too) which reveals the level of written communication between the ICO, Home Office, Phorm and BT alas, the "calls" referred to were not recorded.

I think that communication is the wrong word here isn't it?

Collusion

That's more like it!!

I have finally got to ico_documents_covering_letters.pdf, which I probably should have read first, but having digested the bulk of the material and being a cynic, when the ICO said (Statement dated 4 April 2008 pg10 of 11)

"We will continue to maintain close contact with Phorm and BT throughout the trial. Clearly the trial should reveal whether this is a service that web users want, whether it is privacy friendly and that users are comfortable with the privacy safeguards put in place by Phorm"

Who was going to monitor the trial and provide the ICO with the answers to those questions?

Until the storm of protest that we are a part of - it was going to be Phorm and BT wasn't it?

Won't that still be the case??

At that point in April it wouldn't be unreasonable to assume that the ICO shared the same interpretation as Phorm and BT :

"whether it is privacy friendly" = "whether anyone realises what we're doing"

It's quite sickening when evidence of what you thought might be taking place is suddenly laid before you in black and white.

:mad:

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

The ICO was informed of the June 2007 trials in a written complaint from a BT customer, received by the ICO on 10th March 2008.

http://www.dephormation.org.uk/docum...ng_letters.pdf

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

The quicker they start 'manoeuvring' the quicker people will get off their backs.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

I agree they need some room and wriggle space, but they need to know how angry people are, to focus their minds on the issue. They need to start wriggling in the right direction. They have had long enough.

With regards to all the documents, we need to get a timeline together, what was said and when.

We need to compare all 'official' documents, leaked or gained by FOI or timestamped enquiries with what was being spouted to the press.

Between all the players, i'm sure we will find a lot of porkies, and the evidence for it.

We will also find where the gaps are e.g. documents or meetings not yet disclosed.

That would help them to get up to speed, they wouldn't need to understand the IT, just that X or Y lied.

We need to overcome months/years of misinformation delivered by people with millions of pound at their disposal. They have had a go at the regulators, the government, parliament and the EU.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

well its all good for any small claim county court case you might bring OC.

you might even manage to get the court to order a full documents disclosure and without those pesky blacked out bits and many more unreleased documents and Emails besides, so you can better make your case before the court.

a single small claims win doesnt give you a Precedent (Law. a legal decision or form of proceeding serving as an authoritative rule or pattern in future similar or analogous cases).

but many private SC's against the ISPs hitting the courts at the same time, so overloading the lower courts (as in the case of the Bank charges)can find the better supported evidence cases be pushed up the court system to the upper courts and perhaps even to the High court itself i beleave, and that would give everyone that Precedent.

OC the ISPs might first be forced into Concession due to the death by a thousand cuts or the old "water torture" ;)

thats not so good in the long run for everyone, as it doesnt put a direct legal ruling in the path of any other companies that might try something like it in the future.


i do think theres lots of mileage of the http://www.lawdit.co.uk/reading_room...20Stanford.htm ruling though, just the real possibility that a named executives and the team that initiated or authorised this, can infact find themselves personally on the hook for RIPA violations if someone names them in a court case must be werth a few lines in any Letter before action (LBA) small claim case.

spot:see them run ;)

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Thanks for this. I have sent an email on this topic to the Consumers Association researcher I've been corresponding with occasionally about Webwise/Phorm. The interstitial page in the FOI pack dates back to March before the ICO said that Webwise/Phorm had to be "opt-in". However other principles such as including all material information and ensuring that it is the BT account holder who gives consent were clearly absent. I've suggested that they insist on these (as well as a true "opt-in" scheme) should they be in dialogue with BT over Webwise/Phorm.

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Not too sure this has been mentioned before but I spotted on 80/20 site a
code of ethics link:

http://www.8020thinking.com/ethics.html

I was interested in the "Our principles of engagement" section.

Is this new?

I wondered if they have had some recent bad experience with a client or clients that caused them to write the section provisions in the manner in which they did. ;)

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

I think that section has been there for as long as the rest of the site (although the site, like the company itself, is still only months old).

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I think, what is needed here is collation of all the public statements made by BT and Phorm to the press and customers this can then be cross referenced with the facts as presented within the ICO FoI documents.

Any inconsistencies, untruths or misleading statements can then be highlighted and put into context.

I admit, trying to find quotes is not easy...

EDIT: I note that mark777 already mentioned this in post #10308

I will print off all the docs tomorrow and try to asseble them in chronological order.
Trying to work out who sent what to who (with all the blanking out) is hard on the screen.

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I think to really understand how we can do this, it would be useful if we could establish who in the Home Office thought Webwise/Phorm was a good idea, why they thought that and why they still think that. Because that's what appears to be behind the continuing threat that Phorm (or a similar technology) might be deployed in the UK. After all, in the US where Congress has sent a clear message, Charter has shelved plans to deploy Nebuad.

So was it a politician or a civil servant? And if so, who? My bet is that it was a civil servant, and that the politicians are just following along.

Did they think Webwise/Phorm was a good idea because they viewed the Internet as a toy rather than a serious conduit of information and commerce?

Or were they genuinely so perplexed by IT that they were unable to understand such basic concepts as the fact that risks to your privacy can only rise if your data is intercepted?

Maybe like some recent and current holders of the highest offices of state their experience of computers was very limited?

I leave these thoughts with you as you leaf through the Freedom of Information response before you turn the lights out. If you do come across anything which points to an individual with an argument that Webwise/Phorm mightn't be such a bad idea I'm sure you'll let us all know.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Spot on. I think this is key to understanding and changing the attitude of HM Govt..

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Excellent!

I'll copyright a file, and let it "leak out". A BT user stuck in a contract can then share it over P2P. I'll then complain to BT. Repeat twice and the contract is terminated by BT!

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

>I'll copyright a file, and let it "leak out". A BT user stuck in a contract can then share it over P2P. I'll then complain to BT. Repeat twice and the contract is terminated by BT!

The letter states that you will have to pay for the fees for the remainder of your contract.

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OK, I've downloaded on the the Phorm flyers and printed out a few dozen copies which I have posted around town.

Apart from that, I have been very busy lately and haven't been able to keep up with the Phorm debacle - though I'm glad to see all those documents released.

What can I do now? Is there anyone I could be writing to? Anything else?

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Couldn't sleep so I made this - I feel better now...

http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/7223/btbannerxs8.jpg


:D

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

I have recreated the BT Webwise interstitial page Here.

It is easier to read, and easier to print out. :D

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You may link to my recreated BT Webwise interstitial page. ;)

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Neet poster, made me Smile a Lot. :D

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Very good. You might want to use these bits to make it an even closer match.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Can they do that?

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I was a little tired last night but I have now briefly read all the documents Pete scanned from his FOI.

What should not be forgotten is that every person who receives a BT/Phorm/Webwise interstitial page is a trialist whether or not they opt in or opt out in the current systems proposed operation. The interception will still occur on all their on-line raw HTTP data.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Nice to see the party of our ineffectual government got a good kicking last night...

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Posted in another place

Profile on Simon Watkin

My bold

Pete. I think this calls for one of you excellent graphics.

WatkinMan - Internet Hero of the people

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Don't forget that these images are trademarks/Copyright Images. So it should be made obvious somewhere on the final image that this was the intended Webwise startup page as opposed to any actual page.

Don't want to be threatened by BT again do we.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Something like this:

[img]Download Failed (1)[/img]

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

The following is not aimed at any poster(s) in particular, but is the result of having digested the ICO FOI response and 'slept on it'.

I think it is pretty obvious that the ICO and to a certain extent the Home Office have been a bit gullible and, deliberately or not, have been supportive of BT and phorm, against the best interest of the public. However, we need to remain focussed on BT and phorm as the villains of this piece. They managed to sucker-in the HO and ICO using their PR spin and maybe contacts in high places. We have all seen how this operates, and while one might have hoped that the ICO in particular would have shown a bit more healthy scepticism, the fact is that they have to balance the rights of legitimate businesses and the consumer. The behaviour of BT in particular probably came as something of a shock to them as the true story emerged. But properly informed, the ICO remains one of our strongest potential allies. And the documents show that they did highlight the opt-in requirements, which may yet prove to be a mortal blow. So I think our interests are probably best served by providing them with the ammunition to hold BT and phorm to account, rather than berating them for their alleged incompetence, satisfying though this may be.

The tide may appear to be turning in our favour but I'm sure we all agree we can't afford to relax our efforts yet.

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I don't think that's right vicz.

The ICO are not balancing the rights of legitimate business and the consumer at all.

One good example is when, straight after the leaked 2006 document was produced, the ICO made the statement that they still think BT did nothing wrong. The evidence of wrong doing was all there.

They still refuse to take action. That is not balanced at all.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Quick technical question; is THIS any help?

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I didn't say that they had been balanced, but that their role is to be balanced. The relationship with BT must have been a bit like being married to an axe murderer - confronted with the evidence of evil there is a reluctance to believe it until it is so overwhelming it can no longer be denied. BT made soothing noises, the ICO believed them. Hopefully they won't get fooled again.

They still refuse to take action - One of the legislative weaknesses is that no-one appears to believe it it their responsibility to prosecute wrongdoers. This probably reflects chronic underfunding as much as anything else. The ICO seem to think that a public admonishment is sufficient to shame a company into behaving properly. Unfortunately we have seen that some companies have no shame...

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Its probably a bit extreme for the casual browser (the Onion Router) More info here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Onion_routing but if phorm-a-like companies do manage to proliferate around the web I can see this or some other mechanism for a generally encrypted/obfuscated web as being the only way to go.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

They have heard evidence to the contrary from the best in the land,yet still they sit and do a pontius pilot and wash their hands rather than admit they have been duped by BT and Phorm there has always been academics etc to give an unbiased expert opinion but it was never sought ,sorry but they are as bad as the rest of the villains in this plot.

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The problem with using Tor, in this situation is that you cannot guarantee that the end-point is safe additionally it could be on a Phorm or Nebuad ISP.

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Happy to see you lot all diverted from Phorm and attacking ICO etc.
Keep up the good work attacking the very people you expect to save you from the perils of Phorm.
Thanks !

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

vicz - Unless there is some miracle I can not now see how the ICO can be potential allies. They refuse to take action over the contraventions of PECR and even if they did take action they have no power to significantly punish BT for what they did.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

The reality. :)

http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/m...uperhero2b.jpg

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Oh No! support from the Hamster - that's the last thing I need :rolleyes:

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Don't forget its Friday, the day certain posters attempt to divert and water down the debate on this forum. Please ignore these posters so that constructive debate can take place.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Anyone see the footy last night ? :D

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Given the ICO's response to what Saul Hansell of the NY Times called 'The Mother of All Privacy Battles.
What the hell did they expect :(

http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/0...ivacy-battles/

With NO assistance from the very people charged with protecting our privacy this spyware would be up and running by now.
It is only down to to the efforts of thousands of informed users across the internet that DPI for profit it has been delayed, hopefully forever.

Its on a par with your house being burgled and the police refusing to investigate properly. You would, quite rightly, be as angry with the police as with the burglar.
(And that happens more often than you might think :mad:)

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Can people stop quoting it as well? I've got it on ignore.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

1,100.00
-37.50 (-3.30%)

It's Friday, the price is still low, it's that trial announcement time again...

:D

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

No idea where you get your price from, but Phorm is unchanged today.

Try here for a better source http://www.advfn.com/cmn/fbb/thread.php3?id=14453044

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

I'll second that.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

What with all the damning information that the ICO released I'm almost tempted to go back to BT just so I can cancel again. Almost.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Why don't BT just cut to the chase and offer a more realistic choice?


[img]Download Failed (1)[/img]


:D

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Shouldn't that be switch on webwise illegal interception Paul?

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

arr but would BT really have a problem with an Unauthorised "Derivative work" ;)

ohh but then, this is a not for profit "Derivative work" and they only like commercial "derivative works" for profit :angel:

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I think calling it that may be a contradiction of the "Phorm/BT Transparency Policy" (which will no doubt be leaked to us in due course):

"As a high profile company our customers can rely on our consistency and know we have consistently lied about the nature of BT Webwise. In the true spirit of transparency, we will continue to do so because this is what our customers have come to expect of us."

:D

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ohh look, no strings attached, or are there ;)

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Seeing that picture of Bill or is it Ben reminded me of a site I came across recently. Some of you will remember the Ladybird Easy Reading Books - a bit OT be worth a Friday laugh (sorry):

http://seorant.ath.cx/police/ladybird.html

:D

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Superb!

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normal day at the office then, heres your crime number, go claim off the insurance, by the way diy finger print kit in post !!!

peter

also got a prompt reply from my mp today

"I am meeting the company shortly and have met them once before. I'm onto this. Derek "

could be an allie, has responded will keep you all inphormed

peter

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Hi Just seen this - (Phorm v Alex)

Profile-based online ad system specialist Phorm has responded to comments by Alexander Hanff, calling them 'inaccurate and misleading'. ...

http://www.telecom.paper.nl/news/art...?id=220652&nr=

Dave.

(You have be a subscriber though!...Blast!) Anyone have access to it?

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Useful thanks tdadyslexia.

Fwiw I just wrote to BT legal department:

Dear Mr BlackedOutName

As part of some documents released under a FOI request by the ICO that are on public view at various websites I have been looking at the proposed interstitial page that BT says will pop up when the trial begins.

There are several important issues here:

1. This page could pop up when anyone is using any of the computers on the home LAN here – my wife, my children, a visitor – and if I, the account holder, am not at home to be consulted there is nothing to stop one of these third parties from clicking on the Switch On button, in the ill-informed mistaken belief that BTWebwise is merely a benign anti-phishing application that also helps reduce unnecessary advertising. There is nothing on the page that warns the viewer that data will be processed and that browsing will be redirected. There is nothing that explains clearly how the cookies will operate. The page is unclear about whether any data will be processed even in the event of clicking No. There is nothing to say what will happen if the page is simply switched off – an option that many users will opt for if they do not understand it, can’t be bothered with it because they regard it as an unsolicited time-wasting nuisance and simply wish to get on with their intended internet use, like I know my wife would do. I am the account holder and am very alarmed that BT is proposing to launch a service that can so easily permit a third party to alter my contract with BT without my knowledge and permission. For a company that claims to take security seriously, this is abysmal. In this respect alone the product is not fit for purpose.

2. The page appears to be a blatant breach of the new regulations regarding Consumer Protection from Unfair Trading; http://www.oft.gov.uk/shared_oft/bus.../oft931int.pdf
BT must ensure that the main characteristics of the product are clear – benefits of the product, risks of the product, and especially the motives of the commercial practice. It is obvious that BT’s real motive behind BTWebwise is to collect revenue from selling BT customers’ browsing habits to phorm. The promise of anti-phishing technology and better-suited advertising is a smoke-screen. This is a blatant Misleading Omission that can’t be justified by hiding it away in the small print of the T&Cs, if that is BT’s intention. BT must inform customers more comprehensively than this if it is to demonstrate that due diligence that it keeps trumpeting.

3. The casual reference to cookies is irresponsible because it assumes a sophisticated depth of computer knowledge that most customers do not possess. I have just asked all my family what they understand by cookies – they don’t know and they are not interested. They just wish to go straight to a website in the interests of business or pleasure, and that is the duty of BT, my current ISP. I spend much time trying to secure our computer systems against malignant and undesirable software products. I don’t want BT telling third parties they need BTWebwise, planting cookies on my systems and interfering with my security measures without my knowledge.

gnilddif

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Surely Private Phorms/MetaDataMining Operations in an Administered State will result in First Party Knowledge into Third Party hands for Trade with First Party's who would be buying their needs rather than being supplied with their feeds. Thus creating a captive capitalist state. ..... is one scenario.

And that is surely a gross indecent act against the State. Make a wrong move and it can be treasonable.:angel::angel::angel::angel::angel:

:angel: x integer > O = AIR&dD

Per Ardua, Quantum Solace in Deed.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

gnilddif,

you need to be careful about the selling of data,

if you read what they do they do not sell the data as they own (it is gifted to them by phorm) the dpi kit and adserver, they get a share of the revenue from the adverts served, subtle difference i know but they can simply argue they do not sell the data and ignore point 2

peter

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english please not martian !!

anyone notice this http://www.out-law.com/page-9209

seems like the ico can have some small teeth for other gov dept's just not bt or phorm

peter

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

To add a little more worrying information into the large pot stirring around for final curtain....
Anyone seen the report that VM will supply free BB to 1000 families, wonder if they will be phormed since the target of the free internet is the less advantaged families.

http://www.ispreview.co.uk/news/EkEuVylZAEAYXtqEXj.html

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Not one to defend VM normally, but I think the huge negative PR if the cat ever got out of the bag would not allow them to chance this. It would be PR suicide.

But saying that, who would ever thought that BT would hook up with a company that wrote spyware.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

BT promoting privacy! -

"BT Privacy at Home* registers you for the Telephone Preference Service which helps stop unwanted sales calls"

Taken from here ( BT Phone Service) -

http://www.productsandservices.bt.co...n_FURL_privacy

Dave.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Two page article on phorm in PC Plus magazine issue 271 on sale July the 1st.

Circulation; 28,000.

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After writing to Derek Wyatt (my MP also) several weeks ago, I have had several emails from his Office since including one directly from him after I accused him of 'trying to pass the buck'. The only info that was received were items we were already aware of and common knowledge. At least he appears to be doing something. I have kept all emails sent & received from him just in case, as well as all other communications I have from other sources including Simon Watkins at the HO.

Colin

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First question is it a PR stunt by Phorm, Has Kent used his snake charming act on them?

Has it got the correct information of what phorm do past and what is planned?

Is it as mis-quoted as the ICO, and all others who had some good also negative where phorm focused on the good and ignored the negative in quotes.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Can't quote copyright, but it basically gives them a shoeing. I only just glanced over it (came through the door just now.)

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It is english, peter, with a dash of latin for zest and it makes a certain sense.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

How about 100% english with repeat showing the dash of latin for zest tired eyes brains getting shattered from all the cloak and dagger work phorm are doing to stealth this in under the guise of transparency.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Thank you will do! :D

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

You're right Peter, careless of me. Thanks. But they should still clarify that to customers in order to satisfy the new trading regulations.
g

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Thank you for that, added to bottom: This was the intended Webwise startup page from BT, all trademarks belong to there respected owner. :angel:

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

I don’t think a criminal will have such scruples. On the warty edifice that is Webwise is one small phishing-protection wart, which is, unless Phorm are prepare to hand the whole task to a security company, almost certainly going to fall short. Webwise itself will provide one more social-engineering technique for would-be phishers. UK Internet users will start treating page diversions to other sites as normal. What happens if a phishing website notices the presence of a Webwise cookie and serves up a page similar to that in the figure below.

I’m hoping the Webwise invitation page used in any trial will be served over a secure connection using the new EV SSL and will make it clear how customers can differentiate between a genuine Webwise page hi-jack and one that is a phishing page.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

OT BR:
http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquir...e-built-deceit
"
DNA database built on deceit

Innocent people swept up in inquisitorial fervour

By Mark Ballard: Friday, 27 June 2008, 1:52 PM

THE UK GOVERNMENT has justified keeping the details of innocent people on the National DNA Database with shameless propaganda, according to a report by Genewatch.

The campaign group tackled claims repeated by Prime Munster Gordon Brown for retaining the DNA records of people picked up by the police but not charged with any offence, just in case they really do commit a crime one day.

This was not merely another reminder that the retention of innocent people's DNA threatens to replace the principle that all people are innocent until proven guilty, with the malodorous mantra that some people are more suspicious than others, we just can't prove that they are yet: it was a thorough shredding of the arguments used by the government and security hawks for the retention of innocent people's DNA

...
"

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

:D

EDIT: Original Post Quoted from ammended to add text: Fig.: How a phishing website might take advantage of Webwise’s use of interstitial pages.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Ok, I’ve hopefully made it clearer, by giving the figure a title. Now you just need to amend the quote in your post to contain one. :)

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Interestingly, it was dated today, but had

"Copyright Haymarket Business Publications Ltd. Mar 26, 2008"

at the bottom, which ties in with the Tim BL interview "this week".?

Odd.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Spin, Spin and more Spin. :sick:

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Unless they come from BT that is..

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Love him or hate him, this is funny ;)

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

82 to go to reach 15'000

http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/ispphorm/

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

OT BR:
http://blogs.zdnet.com/igeneration/?p=274
"
June 26th, 2008

Reformed computer criminals - your country needs you

Posted by Zack Whittaker @ 1:38 pm
And trust me, they really do.
...
According to The Register, over half the population of the UK have had their confidential and private records compromised at some point over the last year. I can’t find a statistic for the US, but I can imagine it to be a significant proportion of the population.
...

"

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

I don't think anyone is going to fall for that phishing scam! Everyone knows that Phorm have already read all your bank details, credit card, financial transactions.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Hi, Not sure if this has been posted before, it was taken from here -

http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/tag/privacy/

Dave.

April 25, 2008, 9:30 am
Should Anti-Spyware Programs Fight Snooping I.S.P.s?
By Saul Hansell

The efforts of Internet service providers to keep track of what their customers do online poses an interesting question for the makers of anti-spyware software: Should they find a way to help users block these systems from monitoring their surfing or showing them advertising that relates to their interests?
The Anti-Spyware Coalition is setting up a project to help address those issues. It’s potentially an important step because the coalition, run by the Center for Democracy and Technology, has created standards used by the major vendors of anti-virus and anti-spyware technology to help define how dangerous certain software and cookies are.
Most anti-spyware programs scan users’ computers and sort the findings into high-, medium- or low-risk threats. Users can define their own settings to tell the programs how to deal with various sorts of threats and potential privacy invasions. Read more … (See link for more. Dave)
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Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Worried about www.webwise.bt.com getting dns hijacked? Check this story at el reg.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/06...cann_hijacked/

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Regarding KFO

Thanks to all the people that took the time to give Kent a good kicking today. Just to remind you that you can do the same thing tomorrow and every 24hrs. :) Please pass this unique opportunity onto someone you luv or trust.

Let's make sure Kent knows we are thinking about him daily. :D


Btw, shame on the SOS loser. :td:

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

I was as confused about this as much as I was with amanfromMars comments :erm: After a bit of Googleing I resolved the confusion and added my vote.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

I can recommend KFO as a way to vent frustration. Spare David Davis an SOS while you're at it.

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/local/2008/06/3.png

---------- Post added at 22:46 ---------- Previous post was at 22:15 ----------

I've got a charming promo video, put together using a very old film clip from 1905 (taken from the 'Burglars slide for life').

I've used a brilliant royalty free recording of Dance of the Sugar Plum Fairies... by Kevin MacLeod of Incompetech.

The video is fab, and I'd love to share it. I can't because I fear it may still be in copyright (the script author died 67 years ago, worst case copyright may still exist for 70 years after the last performer/author's death).

Shame, I'd love to share it with everyone.

Makes me so angry BT think they can claim the right to ignore copyright with impunity, at the same time as they serve disconnection warning letters on their own customers for copyright abuse.

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/local/2008/06/7.jpg

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

"If you’ve got AIDS, cancer or erectile dysfunction a group of big advertising networks are going to promise not to remember that you read sites about those topics and remind you (or others using your computer) of your condition with ads for related drugs as you surf the net.

But if you have Parkinson’s disease, congestive heart failure or warts, the ad companies have decided it may well be acceptable to keep track of your interest in medical subjects and fill your browser with ads for helpful products from pharmaceutical companies.

Advertising to people who are dead may also be acceptable, the [Network Advertising Initiative] group said"

A taste of what to expect should the phorm data-pimping machine get its way?

http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/0...eople-allowed/

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

I still am confused how do you do an sos and what does it do
of to google me thinks

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Added my KFO vote :)

What a wonderful idea, if only it were legally binding.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

I added my KFO also!

I was kind of bored, so I quickly made the PHORM experience! on my website

http://www.btweblies.com/index.php?e...y080627-225800

enjoy!

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Well here is my guess (as I haven't done a SOS for anyone) the voter has a choice KFO or SOS. KFO is a well deserved kick up the backside and a SOS is from a brown nose trying to insert said proboscis into Kent's backside.


Phorm and Kent Ertugrul both have an entry.

h~~p://www.kindlyf~~~off.co.uk/?action=view_nominee&nID=132 [Phorm presently No.7 in KFO rankings]
h~~p://www.kindlyf~~~off.co.uk/?action=view_nominee&nID=45 [Kent Ertugrul presently No.19 in KFO rankings]

You can vote for both of them. You can vote once for each entry every 24hrs.


Kent has managed to rise from No.34 ranking to No.19 in a few hours, he is well on his way to displacing the current whipping boy, Robert Mug-a-be.

You don't have to register to vote and you can leave a message. A suitable message might be a pointer to BadPhorm.co.uk, NoDPI, or this CF forum etc. so that a wider audience can enjoy following the Phorm story.

Please replace the "~" with the correct characters. ;)



Update: Kent has moved up from 19 to 17. Pete, how does that triangulate for those graphs, getting him to No.1 ASAP? ETA?

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

There's also another address for the website without using swear words
http://www.kindlyfoxtrotoscar.com/

Just KFO'd both Phorm and Kent

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Full House!!!

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/local/2008/06/4.png

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

He he

Just KFO'd the CS and his MoFo company

:D

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

BT's in there too, why not take a look...go on you know you want to :D

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Who's next then?


le-le-le-Legal?


:shocked:



You wouldn't want to be going to the same place as me when you die...


:D

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

We win! Today's top ten;

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/local/2008/06/5.png

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

ROFL :rofl:

I noticed some SOS brown nosing. Hi Hammy! :waving: (you need a lot of SOS's to get Kent Ertuscum some faux redemption :D )

No.15 ranking now !LOL!

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

The Film and the Sound Track is copyright Free

There is no copyright on Dance of the Sugar Plum Fairies is from 1891 watt is copyright Free see wikipedia.

The Film is from 1905 watt is out of copyright, so it is copyright Free.

So lets see your version of it, and remember you can not clame copyright all derivative works are copyright Free. :D

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Wasn't this song distributed on Windows 95 computers, i seem to recall....

Ben :)

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

1. http://www.kindlyfoxtrotoscar.com/im...Ertugrul45.jpg Kent Ertugrul (25)

Cool. :D