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TehTech 18-02-2008 19:18

Re: Virgin Media Ad Deal - Would you be opting out?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by darthlinux (Post 34491431)
I dont want my info on web habits to be sent to companies bad idea VM boo

Totally agree with you there dl!

What was is I saw in a thread a few days ago about internet privacy??

Although, having said that, I got FF secured as tight as I can make it, in the past 3 years, I have never seen ANY adds or popups at all thanks to ff & the extensions!

You can bet your life I will be checking my cookies a number of times a day to make sure no such rubbish is stored on my computer.

I actually thought that it was illegal to track internet usage & to serve up ads, weather or not they are relevant?

When VM do this, I will be straight on the phone to them and they will have ANOTHER unhappy chappy on their line giving them what for!


EDIT:

If I want to check something out, I google it and then browse through the results, I have never once clicked an ad or anything that has popped up, I dont care how damn relevant it is, if I want to buy any product, I will go to a reputable (re)seller, I dont go flagrantly clicking links just because it has something that MIGHT interest me!

Stuart 18-02-2008 19:21

Re: Virgin Media Ad Deal - Would you be opting out?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Toto (Post 34491429)
Well, I don't have anything to hide, and as I shop online for a lot of goods and services. This could be a good thing, but it might not be.

If I suspect though that the cookies are taking to much information, I can make some basic changes in my browser (see sig picture) that should block them.

Why on earth would they need to use cookies? They can probably obtain this information from either their DNS servers or (more likely) track you using the UBRs.

If that's the case, your choice of browser will be irrelevant.

Also, if you think blocking popups/ads will help, comcast have, I believe, been doing a lot of work in html rewriting, so they may just be able to embed the ad in your page regardless (as comcast did).

dav 18-02-2008 19:24

Re: Virgin Media Ad Deal - Would you be opting out?
 
I'll be opting out asap.

I can't believe that with all the data privacy laws and such that VM can get away with this.

If the police etc were collecting data on a suspect, possibly linked to criminal activity, wouldn't they need a warrant to monitor their web traffic? How is it different, just because it is 'advertising'? It's still snooping.

TehTech 18-02-2008 19:24

Re: Virgin Media Ad Deal - Would you be opting out?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Stuart C (Post 34491466)
Why on earth would they need to use cookies? They can probably obtain this information from either their DNS servers or (more likely) track you using the UBRs.

If that's the case, your choice of browser will be irrelevant.

Also, if you think blocking popups/ads will help, comcast have, I believe, been doing a lot of work in html rewriting, so they may just be able to embed the ad in your page regardless (as comcast did).

BUT surely if you have cookies turned off in your browser, then they cant track, or have i got it wrong (again)?

Stuart 18-02-2008 19:29

Re: Virgin Media Ad Deal - Would you be opting out?
 
Be interesting to see if the DPA applies. Mr Angry would probably know this, but I think the Data Protection Act would apply if any personally identifiable data is passed to the other company from Virgin (I don't know if this ID number they are planning to use would be counted as personal data, as it would be tied indirectly to you).

For the record, if I used Virgin for broadband, I would either be expecting some sort of compensation for this data I am helpfully providing them, or cancel my account.

---------- Post added at 18:29 ---------- Previous post was at 18:27 ----------

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Originally Posted by TehTech (Post 34491469)
BUT surely if you have cookies turned off in your browser, then they cant track, or have i got it wrong (again)?

They don't need cookies. Even if the UBRs can't log who is downloading what, technically it would be relatively easy to install equipment that does. They could bring back the proxies and use them to do this, for instance.

Sirius 18-02-2008 19:31

Re: Virgin Media Ad Deal - Would you be opting out?
 
Well from what i have seen here so far they will have to allow me 1 of the following.

Opt out

Disconnect

VIRGIN what will it be ?

iglu 18-02-2008 19:32

Re: Virgin Media Ad Deal - Would you be opting out?
 
Apparently you can switch it on and off at will

http://www.phorm.com/

How it works:

*Ntl gives phorm a random number and the web page you are looking

*Phorm gives NTl the relevant ad together with the number

*NTl pops the ads on your screen, they know your IP as it is associated with the random number returned by Phorm

Sirius 18-02-2008 19:34

Re: Virgin Media Ad Deal - Would you be opting out?
 
http://www.phorm.com/about/faq.php?_...6,17,18,19#isp

http://webwise.com/ NOTE that Virgin Media are missing from that website

cookster 18-02-2008 19:35

Re: Virgin Media Ad Deal - Would you be opting out?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by iglu (Post 34491480)
Apparently you can switch it on and off at will

http://www.phorm.com/

How it works:

*Ntl gives phorm a random number and the web page you are looking

*Phorm gives NTl the relevant ad together with the number

*NTl pops the ads on your screen, they know your IP as it is associated with the random number returned by Phorm

I'll be opting out then!!!

Stuart 18-02-2008 19:37

Re: Virgin Media Ad Deal - Would you be opting out?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 34491482)

Ahh, so they are stealing advertising revenue from sites, such as, say, this one.

Sirius 18-02-2008 19:38

Re: Virgin Media Ad Deal - Would you be opting out?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Stuart C (Post 34491486)
Ahh, so they are stealing advertising revenue from sites, such as, say, this one.

Thats Virgin Media for you.

Boy i bet this thread grows pretty dam fast

dav 18-02-2008 19:38

Re: Virgin Media Ad Deal - Would you be opting out?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by iglu (Post 34491480)
Apparently you can switch it on and off at will

http://www.phorm.com/

How it works:

*Ntl gives phorm a random number and the web page you are looking

*Phorm gives NTl the relevant ad together with the number

*NTl pops the ads on your screen, they know your IP as it is associated with the random number returned by Phorm


From what I've just read there, it isn't so clear

Quote:

With OIX and Webwise, consumers are in control: they can switch relevance 'off' or 'on' at any time at Webwise.com. There's no small print and no catches: it's completely up to the consumer.
To me that reads as if you can choose relevant ads or irrelevant ones.
Have I got the wrong end of the stick?

iglu 18-02-2008 19:39

Re: Virgin Media Ad Deal - Would you be opting out?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 34491482)
[url]
http://webwise.com/ NOTE that Virgin Media are missing from that website

It is here ;)

http://www.phorm.com/isp_partners/

MovedGoalPosts 18-02-2008 19:39

Re: Virgin Media Ad Deal - Would you be opting out?
 
Why should I have to opt out. I should have to opt in :mad:

Sirius 18-02-2008 19:40

Re: Virgin Media Ad Deal - Would you be opting out?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by iglu (Post 34491489)

but thats not the site for turning off there spyware

Lets face it. This is another shafting from Virgin


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