Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77 & 102]
 

Detailed interview with Kent Ertegrul posted on The Register - http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/03...gess_ertegrul/

Does it put your mind at rest? not on your nelly!

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77 & 102]
 

Hey Toto i will not have to worry. I will not be using VM for my broadband when this Spyware is forced on us.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77 & 102]
 

when i read this FBI story
http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquir...-whoever-likes

"internet spying rules
Oops, we did it again

By INQUIRER Newsdesk: Friday, 07 March 2008, 10:48 AM

SNOOPS AT THE FBI have admitted they repeatedly break their own rules about spying on the internet.

For the fourth year running, FBI director Robert Mueller said the agency reguilarly goes beyond its legal limits to collect information on people's emails and web wibbling.

In an interesting twist, Mueller tried to claim that this wasn't really the FBI's fault. The telcoms companies the snoops roped in on the cunning plan kept providing "too much information", he said.

"We are committed to ensuring that we not only get this right, but maintain the vital trust of the American people," he said.
...
"
i have to wonder..., replace FBI with tech Phorm comments all over the place such as
http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/34501464-post602.html
"Each ISP will choose how they best offer this to their customers. I know the boards are fully of healthy skepticism ...."

its clear the implication is , its the ISPs fault not Phorms if this all goes titsup as it were...

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77 & 102]
 

Well they have answerd the question in a round about way.So Virgin Media will still have the data to do with as they wish. So the OPT OUT is in fact a red herring and a blatant LIE

The decision as to OPT IN OPT OUT has been made also.

So to cut out the spin. Yes its on and we will tell you its on. ?

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77 & 102]
 

it would seem then, that it comes under the "... processed for limited purposes;; adequate, relevant and not excessive; ..." part of the DPA, no matter were its being done, its far outside all of these requirements.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77 & 102]
 

This opted out business is becoming more hmmm - So nothing is sent to Phorm but its still going to the profiling at the ISP side... Erm why if you have opted out? :erm:

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77 & 102]
 

KE: Net neutrality is fascinating. Basically, the websites are at opposite ends of the discussion. What Phorm does is make the ISP the greatest partner a website can have. We think this resolves the tension between websites and ISPs that is the function of net neutrality. It brings both onto the same side.

We're very optimistic in the US
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/03...gess_ertegrul/


So, the long term goal of Phorm is Net Neutrality. It is well know that some would like to see the internet controlled somehow, companies such as Phorm using their technology can take this process forward.
Websites and users not opted-in to Phorm will have their connection throttled by the ISP, those that opt-in will not, in the end, only those websites that opt-in will manage to survive, of course you will have to adhere to their polices, which could mean no criticism of Governments/Companies ect.. which have signed up to Phorm.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77 & 102]
 

Of course its your right to handle your own privacy and security. I am only reporting on what I know. I don't like this system at all, and in the field of my expertise it is very concerning.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77 & 102]
 

its obvious they are now trying to cover their rear's when this was stated 'It ought to be said that the profiler is operated by the ISP, not us.".

the profiler is owned by Phorm, and as their property, its their legal responseability, and so they are still receaving/processing data unauthorised.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77 & 102]
 

Can I respectully suggest to those who have not done so, too feedback your concerns to virginmedia.feedback newsgroup. The thread subject is called "VM Webise details".

The newsgroup can only be accessed by VM customers.

The more responses they get, the better the arguments will get across.

This is not to say this thread is not beneficial, it very much is in my opinion, but there are other more direct routes to the management in VM. :)

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77 & 102]
 

Well two things here. 1. If you are sending your CC number on a site with no security cert both they and you deserve what is coming. An SSL cert is cheap.
2. Why store any numbers? What can a 3 digit number tell about your browsing habits unless they are looking for 420 to market drugs to you? About the only 3 digit number I can think of with marketing possibilities.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77 & 102]
 

If VM go ahead against the flow of opinion then they can be shown my middle finger :)

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77 & 102]
 

what I cant understand is why VM is out to self destruct its business.

Its clear many will leave. They just had good figures and some idiot in an office decide to screw its customers great management there.

Think also if they go ahead why he heck cant opt out be done with the mac address rather than some stupid Cookie idea.

Surely its upto VM to properly openly use a system which completely blocks those who wish NOT to HAVE PHORM.

Why the heck has PHORM got stealth adverts system if its not an abuse system. I think its so we dont know we still being monitored even though we opted out. There is no logic to silent adverts other than to deceive.

If there was no hidden adverts and all signed up and it was blocked by mac address I would sleep easier when using my credit card.

This current system and its opt out is dodgy as hell. I even got a conspiracy that the government wont do jack all.

They want us to stop using credit cards and they dont like us using places like play.com.

So if there is a fear factor that online purchase are going to be more unsafe we will stop buying online.

Finally I am starting to feel this country is now being run by the KGB. With this and this ID card all the cameras etc has the KGB took over parliment.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77 & 102]
 

Me neither.

A risk they will have to quantify. E.g. Subscriber chrun over advertising revenue.

An interesting idea, wonder what additonal HTTP overhead this would cause, that an additional network technology.

Yes absolutely

Dodgy certainly, and some conspiracy theories should come wrapped in tin foil. :)

oooo kaaayyyyy

We?, speak for yourself. :)

. That's comrade Toto to you brother. :)

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77 & 102]
 

Hi all
I work on behalf of Phorm here in the UK. Many of you may already have seen it but of not there is a transcript of last nights live interview with Phorm's CEO at http://www.webwise.com/chat as well as a Q&A session at http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/03...rgess_ertegrul
Rgds
PhormUktechteam