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Paul 21-02-2021 18:07
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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36071479)
Remember £5 only gets you a half of shandy in London.
Not at the moment ;)

OLD BOY 22-02-2021 14:54
Re: Uber licence revoked
 
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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36071436)
What consequences ?
Price increases for one.

TheDaddy 22-02-2021 15:04
Re: Uber licence revoked
 
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36071611)
Price increases for one.
Good, why should they be subsidised to put other people out of business, they want their cake and eat it and they've been getting away with it to long

jfman 22-02-2021 15:29
Re: Uber licence revoked
 
Yes let's completely erode workers rights, abolish the minimum wage and make taxes optional.

Everything will be cheaper, but will we be better off???

Paul 22-02-2021 18:20
Re: Uber licence revoked
 
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36071611)
Price increases for one.
Prices increase anyway.

OLD BOY 24-02-2021 00:01
Re: Uber licence revoked
 
Now they will increase more.

Hugh 24-02-2021 00:14
Re: Uber licence revoked
 
Market forces

jfman 24-02-2021 06:15
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36071769)
Now they will increase more.
Small price to pay to protect British businesses from being undercut by illegal working practices of vulture capitalists from Silicon Valley.

OLD BOY 24-02-2021 11:06
Re: Uber licence revoked
 
Businesses adapt all the time. If British businesses get undercut by competition, they just respond and get better. That’s progress.

Of course businesses need to work within the law. It is unfortunate that the law is an ass.

The law is continually being tested, novel ways found to get around unintended consequences, etc.

As for workers’ rights, the right to seek the flexibility that many gig workers find useful is being compromised. Both Uber and their drivers considered the drivers to be self employed. There was no need for the courts to interfere and amend the contracts that had been drawn up with joint agreement.

As I said, this is not good news for consumers either, who will now have to pay more for the same service. This will lead to fewer people using the service, which will mean less work for the newly designated ‘employees’. Lose/lose.

jfman 24-02-2021 11:33
Re: Uber licence revoked
 
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36071793)
Businesses adapt all the time. If British businesses get undercut by competition, they just respond and get better. That’s progress.
That’s a race to the bottom.

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Of course businesses need to work within the law. It is unfortunate that the law is an ass.
The law is continually being tested, novel ways found to get around unintended consequences, etc.
Yes and fundamentally ways of getting round it to avoid taxes (e.g. employers NICs) by categorising employees as self-employed is and always has been illegal.

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As for workers’ rights, the right to seek the flexibility that many gig workers find useful is being compromised. Both Uber and their drivers considered the drivers to be self employed. There was no need for the courts to interfere and amend the contracts that had been drawn up with joint agreement.
People and employers don’t get to decide who are self employed for tax purposes. HMRC do.

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As I said, this is not good news for consumers either, who will now have to pay more for the same service. This will lead to fewer people using the service, which will mean less work for the newly designated ‘employees’. Lose/lose.
Absolute nonsense Old Boy. It’s great news for the consumer because the ultimate aim of Uber and the like is to eliminate competition and move towards monopoly pricing.

Businesses adapt all the time you say.

Well this time Uber can adapt to following employment law. And paying taxes in Britain just like everyone else.

denphone 24-02-2021 11:37
Re: Uber licence revoked
 
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36071793)
Businesses adapt all the time. If British businesses get undercut by competition, they just respond and get better. That’s progress.

Of course businesses need to work within the law. It is unfortunate that the law is an ass.

The law is continually being tested, novel ways found to get around unintended consequences, etc.

As for workers’ rights, the right to seek the flexibility that many gig workers find useful is being compromised. Both Uber and their drivers considered the drivers to be self employed. There was no need for the courts to interfere and amend the contracts that had been drawn up with joint agreement.

As I said, this is not good news for consumers either, who will now have to pay more for the same service. This will lead to fewer people using the service, which will mean less work for the newly designated ‘employees’. Lose/lose.
Strange how you go on and espouse about market forces but as per usual you contradict yourself.

1andrew1 24-02-2021 12:09
Re: Uber licence revoked
 
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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36071799)
Strange how you go on and espouse about market forces but as per usual you contradict yourself.
Yes. The law of the UK is a market force.

Hugh 24-02-2021 12:14
Re: Uber licence revoked
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36071793)
Businesses adapt all the time. If British businesses get undercut by competition, they just respond and get better. That’s progress.

Of course businesses need to work within the law. It is unfortunate that the law is an ass.

The law is continually being tested, novel ways found to get around unintended consequences, etc.

As for workers’ rights, the right to seek the flexibility that many gig workers find useful is being compromised. Both Uber and their drivers considered the drivers to be self employed. There was no need for the courts to interfere and amend the contracts that had been drawn up with joint agreement.

As I said, this is not good news for consumers either, who will now have to pay more for the same service. This will lead to fewer people using the service, which will mean less work for the newly designated ‘employees’. Lose/lose.
Well, since Uber's aim is to move to driverless cars, that will be a moot point.

And if you believe that the contracts were drawn up jointly between Uber's corporate employment lawyers and the individual drivers, I've got a bridge you might be interested in... ;)

1andrew1 24-02-2021 21:44
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36071803)
Well, since Uber's aim is to move to driverless cars, that will be a moot point.

And if you believe that the contracts were drawn up jointly between Uber's corporate employment lawyers and the individual drivers, I've got a bridge you might be interested in... ;)
Driverless cars are not imminent.
https://www.christianwolmar.co.uk/20...iverless-cars/

Hugh 24-02-2021 21:58
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36071841)
They don’t have to be imminent, they just have to be in a timescale that keeps Uber’s founders happy - that’s why they outsourced it, and then pivoted to UberEats to keep the investors happy


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