Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Thats the nub of the issue. As bad as the situation is now with what they are plannning just imagine how much worse it could get 5 years down the line if we acquiesce to their plans now. As important as it is for us to stop Phorm here in the UK, the more I think about it, the more I come to the conclusion that the war wont truly be won until they run into trouble in the US. The US will be their biggest market with the biggest earning potential for the company. If we can land a killer blow here and then follow it up with a killer blow in the US then the company will be done for and hopefully they will go bankrupt.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Bloody Easter! No stock market today to keep me smiling at the degradation of the Phorm share capital. Sucks!

Alexander Hanff

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

We also have to guard if one gets away with it you can bet more will crawl out the woodwork with just as bad ideas.

If phorm gets such a noise bleed and get kicking into bankruptcy it would deter others from trying it. Would even be stark reminder of those like google that people will not accept irresponsible money making idea's.

We trust those who are in the internet industry to be responsible with our browsing we dont expect them to abuse there position.

People just dont like being force fed like an infant. We have a brain and can do our own research for latest TV, car. We dont need target adverts tell us.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

'won't look', is not the same as 'can't see', I don't believe anyone these days is not aware that any company out to make money will not do this in the future if we give them a foot in the door now, nobody, but nobody is that naive, thats why the tech issues although important, are not as imortant as stopping this in its tracks.
once a freedom is gone, you can't get it back. once a precedent is set, its all over.
and however lucrative adverts might be, I am sure that this is not what this is really all about, eventually, selling data to other companies whom it might interest is the real long term objective.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Console yourself with the fact that they are one place off the bottom of the months biggest downward movers...

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Tell me about it. I miss clicking on the link every few hours and watching the share price tank. On a positive note though at least it gives time for more publicity, more research and more time for everyone to write to MPs, MEPs, Privacy organisations etc.

I am currently drafting a letter I intend to send to my MP and all the MEPs for my area. After that I intend to follow up my email to Liberty with a written letter. Still no response from them yet but hopefully a written letter will be more successful.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Help for the dislexic please.

Slightly off topic, but my wife is going to kill me..

I told her I was only searching the web for information on Phorm, but for some reason all these naked people, doing strange things to each other were poping up on the screen.

Help!!! ;)

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Although I'd love to see VM say something in reply to their customers queries and complaints re Phorm, I can understand them keeping quiet for now.

I bet BT now wishes they'd kept quiet - they have contradicted themselves, admitted they lied, and are seen to be headless chickens running around not knowing what to do or how to dig themselves out of the mess they've got themselves into.

VM? They've avoided all this by keeping mum. You can bet they're reading everything that's being said about Phorm, on here and elsewhere.

I'm sure that once we all know for sure if Phorm is legal or not (I know what we all think, but that's not the same), or what the outcome is of the ICO and other official reports (including don't forget the final report from 80/20 Thinking), as well as taking into account the obvious 'do not want' stance from their customers and joe public, then VM will make up their mind and tell us what's going to happening.

To me, VM's silence is reassuring, and If I were the MD, I'd similarly instruct all staff to keep it zipped for now.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

I agree, in part.
Although its frustrating that they have not issued an up to date statement, it is clear that they are more than aware of what is going on, they definately don't have their head in the sand over this, they are just avoiding making the same errors as BT, whilst avoiding making a definitve statement like CW, that at least shows some business sense.
As long as they realise that keeping quiet, is not going to make us go away, then all well and good......for now.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

I've not seen this posted previously, but V1.4 of the Dephormation add On for Firefox is out.

http://www.dephormation.org.uk/

My thanks go to the authors and those involved with the project :)

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Missing Persons Notice:

Authorities are becoming increasingly alarmed by the disappearance of the PhormUKPRTeam. Authorities believe that they may have suffered a deeply traumatic psychological experience while trying to spin their way out of a firestorm of controversy regarding their clients spyware technology.

Have you seen PhormUKPRTeam? If so please telephone the PR Anonymous hotline with details of when and where you last saw them.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

It's a simple move for Phorm to grab your IP as your machine pulls adverts from their servers matching token to IP. ISP's say this won't happen and we won't even mention ISP's matching IP to actual customer records for Phorm. I know this is just fantasy at the moment but the trouble ISP's have now, in addition to Phorm, is that I simply no longer trust them.

When the story first broke I was outraged not just about Phorm's plans but that my ISP has been complicit from the beginning. When exactly were they going to tell us the full details? Ever? It's clear that the PR machine hadn't even been fueled and the last thing they wanted was this story to get out without first dressing it in the warm fuzzy glow of "Webwise - the safer Internet experience"

I might, earlier, have accepted Phorm with appropriate safeguards for those who opt out but not anymore. I don't trust Phorm and I also don't trust my ISP anymore. The moment VM introduce Phorm in any way I'm off. All Virgin services will go not just BB.
I may go anyway, I feel like I have been stabbed in the back by some happy smiling old lady I just helped across the road. I hope it's all worth it for them.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

I think I've found them, I've just logged in to my Blog to make an entry, and I found this waiting for moderation.

It's nice to know they're scouring everywhere to try and put their spin. Including my crappy blog :)

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Unfortunately the authorities can only search for missing individuals.

Team Phorm consists of 26 lawyers, spin doctors and probably the odd estate agent thrown in as well.

There were 25, but another joined a couple of days ago. At least I think that's when the vote at the top of this page changed.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

In some ways is sad to see the PR still peddling the same nonsense but in another way at least it means we are keeping them busy. They are of course right that the situation vis-a-vis RIPA is untested in law yet. What makes me smile widely is that the issue may not remain untested for long. The thought of those involved in the BT tests last year reporting them to the police makes me go all warm and fuzzy inside.