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1andrew1 22-10-2020 11:55
Tory MP quits government over refusal to extend free school meals
 
Not really too much of an issue for the government with its large majority but draws attention to the topic it can do without given the billions spent on track and trace.
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Caroline Ansell – one of only five MPs to side vote with Labour on the failed bid to tackle child food poverty – announced she had resigned her position as a parliamentary private secretary.
The MP for Eastbourne and Willingdon said she could not ignore her “conscience” on the issue in a statement explaining why she had sided with the opposition.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknew...cid=spartanntp

papa smurf 22-10-2020 16:27
Re: Tory MP quits government over refusal to extend free school meals
 
Just how much of his own money has Rashford committed to his cause?

1andrew1 22-10-2020 16:29
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Nigel Farage brands free school meal vote ‘mean and wrong’

The Brexit Party leader compared the Government's policy of subsidising restaurant meals in the summer with the refusal to extend free school to Easter 2021.

He tweeted on Thursday morning: “If the government can subsidise Eat Out to Help Out, not being seen to give poor kids lunch in the school holidays looks mean and is wrong.”

Mr Farage’s stance surprised many social media users, with one commenting that the former UKIP leader now “looks less right-wing than the Government”.
“Government condemned for lack of compassion over free school meals by bleeding heart leftie *checks notes* Nigel Farage,” tweeted journalist Hannah Al-Othman.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/newsl...rtan-ntp-feeds

BenMcr 22-10-2020 16:45
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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36054669)
Just how much of his own money has Rashford committed to his cause?
He's doing a lot of work to raise money for causes including donating money to multiple charities and promoting them to help them raise more money.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/11878...generous-acts/

And of course he contributes via his tax bill which as far as I'm aware he pays everything he's legally liable for on his wages.

denphone 22-10-2020 16:47
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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36054669)
Just how much of his own money has Rashford committed to his cause?
l award you whataboutery post of the day Sir..

papa smurf 22-10-2020 16:53
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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36054672)
l award you whataboutery post of the day Sir..
Does it come with a MBE.

Hugh 22-10-2020 17:09
Re: Tory MP quits government over refusal to extend free school meals
 
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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36054669)
Just how much of his own money has Rashford committed to his cause?
He donated in April (no precise figure was given, except it was ‘sizeable"), then later on that month he doubled that donation.

https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...-a9475846.html

https://www.90min.com/posts/marcus-r...t-01e76bv6q9wz

tweetiepooh 23-10-2020 12:11
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A problem arises between children whose families are really in poverty and need the meal, those whose families are "negligent" and need the meal, those who don't need the meal and those who don't need the meal but families say they do. (Possibly other groups too.)

When there is billions of fraud over Covid schemes and other help systems so the "giver" has to pay for monitoring and detection it really doesn't help.

If those getting help was really limited to those needing it and no fraud there would be enough to go round and support even more.

papa smurf 23-10-2020 12:24
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Originally Posted by tweetiepooh (Post 36054709)
A problem arises between children whose families are really in poverty and need the meal, those whose families are "negligent" and need the meal, those who don't need the meal and those who don't need the meal but families say they do. (Possibly other groups too.)

When there is billions of fraud over Covid schemes and other help systems so the "giver" has to pay for monitoring and detection it really doesn't help.

If those getting help was really limited to those needing it and no fraud there would be enough to go round and support even more.
My former next door neighbours were at the shop at 7 am every morning buying cigs and booze,also cannabis from a local dealer, never paid rent or bills, they had 5 kids who lived on cheap pizza's from aldi and nad no change of clothes,they created their own poverty and the children suffered for it.

BenMcr 23-10-2020 12:33
Re: Tory MP quits government over refusal to extend free school meals
 
Not sure what that's an argument for or against? :confused:

nomadking 23-10-2020 13:26
Re: Tory MP quits government over refusal to extend free school meals
 
They shouldn't have scrapped the previous arrangements.:rolleyes:
I remember at Primary school we didn't have school dinners, free or otherwise. Somehow parents managed.
They already receive the money to feed them in benefits and tax credits etc.
Children skipping breakfast isn't just a UK thing, and isn't just a poverty thing.
Link

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Results: Most (86.8% of boys, 81.4% of girls) ate breakfast on both days, 11.8% of boys and 14.8% girls skipped on one day and 1.4% boys and 3.8% girls skipped on both days. Characteristics associated with skipping breakfast were being female, being older, being underweight or overweight/obese, poorer diet, lower physical activity, inadequate sleep, lower household income, greater socioeconomic disadvantage, and being from a single‐parent home.
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Prior to the 2007 survey, the most recent published national Australian data on skipping breakfast were from the 1995 National Nutrition Survey. Skipping breakfast three or more times per week was reported by 7% of 2–11‐year‐olds and increased to 21% for 12–15‐year‐olds.11 Data from the US and Germany suggest the prevalence of skipping breakfast has increased over time.12, 13 However, in the study from the US the increased prevalence may be due to the different methods used to define breakfast over time.
If it was about money, the figures between groups would be more uniform and consistent.
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Children and adolescents who have inadequate sleep may find it harder to get out of bed in time to have breakfast. Inadequate sleep and skipping breakfast may also be indicators of disorganised households or low parental supervision. Household correlates associated with skipping breakfast were greater socioeconomic disadvantage and being from a single parent home. A review of 24 studies among 6–18‐year‐olds found the family correlates with the most evidence of an association with skipping breakfast were being from a single‐parent home and having a parent who skipped breakfast

Maggy 23-10-2020 14:01
Re: Tory MP quits government over refusal to extend free school meals
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36054721)
They shouldn't have scrapped the previous arrangements.:rolleyes:
I remember at Primary school we didn't have school dinners, free or otherwise. Somehow parents managed.
They already receive the money to feed them in benefits and tax credits etc.
Children skipping breakfast isn't just a UK thing, and isn't just a poverty thing.
Link

If it was about money, the figures between groups would be more uniform and consistent.
How old are you? I'm 68 and I had school dinners at primary school. Also when my mother was widowed when I was 13 I got free school dinners.

papa smurf 23-10-2020 14:09
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I went home for lunch every day,thankfuly it was a long walk home or i would have ended up as fat as a barrel,my mum didn't do small portions.

nomadking 23-10-2020 14:16
Re: Tory MP quits government over refusal to extend free school meals
 
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Originally Posted by Maggy (Post 36054722)
How old are you? I'm 68 and I had school dinners at primary school. Also when my mother was widowed when I was 13 I got free school dinners.
Younger than that. It was more a case of being small village primary schools, although I don't remember there being school meals at infant school in Hackney. It was only at secondary school stage that school dinners were provided, and that was probably just because we had to be bussed in, and it would take too long to bus us back home and then return to school.
I don't think the reasons for school dinners has ever been about helping the parents out financially.
At one secondary school we were just fed a roll in the Library. The school was in the process of being built, and they only had facilities for the initial year students(aged 12/13), and that was probably just to serve people at the associated theatre.

Does the parent get extra money for when they don't yet go to school or get suspended when they do?
Coming from a disorganised home is a far bigger factor than money.

1andrew1 23-10-2020 14:21
Re: Tory MP quits government over refusal to extend free school meals
 
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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36054727)
Coming from a disorganised home is a far bigger factor than money.
I have a couple of questions on your end statement. A far bigger factor in what? What's the definition of a disorganised home and what's the statistical evidence for it?


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