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So many work emails and social media accounts have pronouns like he/him and she/her on them these days, even when it is very obvious what their pronouns are from their name.

What are your views on this current state of pronoun affairs?

Do you judge anyone with with these in their profiles or signatures as ***** as I do?

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Honestly I think a lot of it is undiagnosed mental illness.

IMO if your gonads are testis then you are male a man and he/him
If your gonads are ovaries then you are female a woman and she/her

I believe all these people who try to argue sex is different to gender are delusional and need therapy.

Yes a person could have a medical condition where there are hormonal imbalances that could lead to confusion but again this can be treated or even an issue with genitalia these are a totally different case entirely

As I am sure you are aware people go to extreme lengths when they "identify" as a different gender literally mutilating themselves in their search for happiness I guess if this makes them happy then that has to be a good thing but seriously feeling the need to mutilate themselves shows their mental state

And now living in a society where parents encourage their children to question their sexual identity should be a labelled as child abuse

I know these views do not follow what society says I have to believe well screw society

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If someone told me they were Napoleon Bonaparte, I would not reinforce their delusion by addressing them as such.

The Australians have the ideal solution, they just address everyone as "C***".

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I think a lot of it is attention seeking and/or wanting to belong to a group that is different from the norm and this is one thing that grabbed on to. I mean now someone who might have been bisexual before might now claim to be non-binary pansexual instead as they think it sounds so much cooler.

We might differ in opinion as I do believe some people genuinely feel they are in the wrong body and I fully support those. I mean part of it is just balances of certain chemicals which determine what gender we are and the amount can vary from person to person. I do think the genuine cases are a very small percentage though.

If someone wants to dress as a woman because they like womens clothes, all the power to them. But changing their pronouns on a whim?

in the current situation, even though I am a male with a male name and face hair, I can claim I am non-binary or that I want to identify as a female today. I don't want to shave or change my name or have my gonads removed, I am just she/her today and you have to accept that or you are a bigot. I might choose to identify as a male again tomorrow if I feel like it. That is the crazy situation we are in at the moment.

But the pronouns in signatures and profiles is just virtue signalling IMO but its spreading where some businesses request employees to add it to their email correspondence now

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I thought they called each other Bruce. To avoid confusion. :D

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Or Sheila?

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Chromosomes decide gender X+X or X+Y it really is as simple as that. Feeling you are in the wrong body is Dissociative identity disorder.

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What harm is it actually doing, if it makes them feel better or like they belong or make a difference let them get on with it, doesn't cause me any problems so I don't see the need to cause them any by questioning it, plus I don't want to listen to lectures from activist types that will be all over pronoun appropriation

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I ain't got time for any of that. If someone asked me to call them by some weird pronoun(s), they'll be just labelled as 'It', 'Thing' or 'That'.

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If someone asks me to use a different pronoun for them or if they changed their name and wanted me to use their new name I would do so. Doesn't hurt me. Then again I've never been asked.

I don't really see what the point of refusing that would be.

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I think that if it's not ambiguous by their name then anything uncontroversial doesn't need to be stated. If someone's name is Craig or Jane then it'd be a bit obvious if they say their pronouns are he/him or she/her respectively. But if they are Sam or Chris then that could be either gender.


I also think that biologically (certainly genetically at least) sex can't be changed; though people can request to be identified as the opposite, and that this preference should be respected if possible, no amount of hormone therapies or operations can change a man into a woman and vice versa - if you're genetically male you can have your penis removed and hormones to grow breasts and a high voice, remove hair etc, but you can't add a functioning womb into the body and have it produce a child can you? So there's always going to be a limit to "being the opposite sex" which will stop short of the full thing.


Non-binary is another question and if people really don't want to be referred by gender-specific pronouns that's again their choice but ultimately genders aren't physically or genetically like that either...

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I agree chromosomes and gender but I was getting at some women for example have high levels of testosterone and some guys have high levels of oestrogen which can affect the body and make someone look/feel more manly or feminine.

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That's the thing. If someone asks or has a reason to, fair enough.

On the minuscule chance you ever got a pronoun wrong, someone would correct you and you get it right from there onwards. No need for workplaces to make a huge thing over it and and request they be used in correspondence.

This cat gets it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-J2ZkiC_HGk

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Don’t care but if you’re an inept Government badly managing the economy why not ask the sheeple to knock themselves out over culture wars than over your own inadequacies.

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I don’t engage in it, and am quite happy to mis-pronoun anyone.

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It can be hard if someone is pronouned as they but looks clearly female or male. You start off with "they" but you soon find yourself describing them by the gender you see them as.