Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
I sent an email to them the other day stating that I didn't give them permission to use my data in the way they intend.
Got a phone call at 4.45 today stating that they had received my email but didn't have a start date and couldn't confirm that I'd be opted out from my contact with them. However the woman on the phone kept telling me I'd have an opt out and that they'd be contacting ALL customers before launch. :erm: I said that as far as I was concerned I'd told them I didn't want my data processing in any way other than to provide me with the service and that was that. If they then did I'd refer the matter to the IOC as a breach of the DPA. Quote:
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It can only be a breach of the DPA if personal identifiable information is sent. I don't think for one minute that VM would do that, this is a matter of persoonal privacy between you and your ISP. Whether or not we believe Phorm is one thing, whether we can trust VM to do the right thing, in our opinion, is a totally different matter. I have no intention of signing into this system, and I will sign out if I have to. ---------- Post added at 18:31 ---------- Previous post was at 18:18 ---------- Quote:
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Let's not give any credence to any of the claims made by Phorm; we can't verify them and the goalposts may be moved at some time in the future.
It would make no difference to me if the data was provided in iambic pentameter and was processed by a blind, deaf, mute wearing rubber gloves and a nose clip, I don't want to 'share' anything that might be generated by my internet usage with any Tom, Dick or Harry that comes along hoping to make a fast buck. Clearly neither do the majority of forum contributors. The way to respond is in numbers. |
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Other ISP's have been in talks, they are just waiting to gauge the response from the so-called Big 3 ISP's. The grass may be greener on the other side, but if its managed by the same farmer in the future....why move? :) |
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1. Person A starts a web browser.I would like to know which, if any, of those statements is in error and why. I don’t see how Phorm can rely on users behaving in the way they’d like. I think the assumption that one browsing session will be used by only one person is unreasonable and will not be supportable in law. The Internet is an ‘always on’ packet-based network. It’s not like the telephone, where, once you finish your communication with a specific second party, you put the receiver down and completely sever the connection. *I know there have been comments that cookies are restricted to the domain from which they’ve come. I’m expecting some fairly dirty trick to get around that. As it has been stated that Webwise does not work with Safari, I conclude that Phorm haven’t got this trick working with that browser. |
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ROFL, surely it's been designed from the ground up to make Phorm & the ISPs shed loads of cash from selling customer browsing habits to advertisers? |
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"IP Addresses Are Personal Data, E.U. Regulator Says By Aoife White Associated Press Tuesday, January 22, 2008; Page D01 BRUSSELS -- IP addresses, strings of numbers that identify computers on the Internet, should generally be regarded as personal information, the head of the European Union's group of data privacy regulators said Monday. Germany's data-protection commissioner, Peter Scharr, leads the E.U. group, which is preparing a report on how well the privacy policies of Internet search engines operated by Google, Yahoo, Microsoft and others comply with E.U. privacy law. Scharr told a European Parliament hearing on online data protection that when someone is identified by an IP, or Internet protocol, address, "then it has to be regarded as personal data." His view differs from that of Google, which insists an IP address merely identifies the location of a computer, not who the individual user is. That is true but does not take into consideration that many people regularly use the same computer and IP address. Scharr acknowledged that IP addresses for a computer may not always be personal or linked to an individual. For example, some computers in Internet cafes or offices are used by several people. These exceptions have not stopped the emergence of a host of "whois" Internet sites, which allow users to type in an IP address and will then generate a name for the person or company linked to it. Treating IP addresses as personal information would have implications for how search engines record data. ... " |
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It is intresting to see how many changes in the story about how the system works since it was first anounced.
on the 29th of feb it was reported at techcrunch the following 1) Privacy International approves Phorms Privacy claims. Something we now now is untrue 2) "Of course, data is secure as the companies that keep it - and it’s possible to de-anonomyse data. Phorm says it wouldn’t mix surfing data with, say, an ISP’s billing data on users." This is the most telling thing I have read. 2 weeks ago Phorm state that it’s possible to de-anonomyse data. Now we are told the system is secure. 3) they say "What information they do have - which is just the surfing habits of that PC - gets deleted after a few hours" If it is deleted after a few hours then it must be stored. Somthing that has been denied most strongly over the past few days. Teh company is acting like any person who tells a lie and is found out - Change the story - and change it again. read the full piece at http://uk.techcrunch.com/2008/02/29/...nto-something/ |
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Its simple really. The company now known as Phorm was a Spyware and Root kit supplier. Therefor in my eyes they will never ever be trusted on my PC. I have the same feelings for Sony, I have no Sony equipment in my house and never ever will. Reason TRUST and they don't deserve it.
If Virgin introduce this then i will add them to the list as well. |
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