Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77 & 102]
I wonder what this site http://www.webwise.ie/ thinks of Phorm using webwise as the name of part of their operation. Well when I say site, I think that means the Irish government and possibly the EU.
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Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77 & 102]
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If it did, then either he, or ICO isn't telling the truth because the ICO have only just requested the info... ---------- Post added at 08:18 ---------- Previous post was at 08:14 ---------- Quote:
That's how strongly I feel ---------- Post added at 08:37 ---------- Previous post was at 08:18 ---------- Looks as if TalkTalk are getting their act together and actually listening... http://www.talktalkmembers.com/forum...&postcount=117 |
Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77 & 102]
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Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77 & 102]
In a previous post I noted that the reason Phorm (or rather their representatives) have come onto this board and others was purely out of self-interest.
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Need proof, see here - http://www.badphorm.co.uk/e107_plugi...wtopic.php?408 Quote:
You can also keep track of their share price here - http://www.londonstockexchange.com/e...RM#PriceChartl With £16M riding on this, Kent Ertsdfsdfsf certainly has a lot to lose. So you can defiantly expect more PR fluff n spin in the coming weeks/months. |
Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77 & 102]
The announcement by Talk Talk needs IMO to be read in the context of purely what is says and what it doesn't say.
They state very clearly that they are committed to the trial from which it can be assumed that a contractual obligation exists which would be financially painful to them should they not proceed. The statement regarding opt-in must be viewed ONLY with regards to the trial and trialists because that is all the statement truly relates to and has no relevance to what might happen with a general roll-out. IMO they have hedged their bets very neatly and pushed into the future any decision on whether it's a failure and we will not implement or it's the best thing since sliced bread therefore everyone must have it and it's opt-out. I suspect that this is a clever ploy to buy time and let the furore settle down and will probably be adopted by the other ISP's. It does open another avenue of approach for Talk Talk users which is that if the Phorm system can be totally by-passed in a trial then by default it must be possible if the profiler is implemented on a permanent basis. If the ISP subsequently chooses that opt-out is the way to go then they become accountable for that choice. |
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If they can completely remove you from the profiler then i cannot see why VM will not be able to do the same. |
Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77 & 102]
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Keep in mind also that both BT and Talk Talk have commited to trials which means installation of their equipment inside their network edge, that is why their logo's are on the Webise page, VM have not, they are only looking at the proposal. Or were you just agreeing that Talk Talk made it an opt-in service? Couple of questions then. Would you go to Talk Talk now that they have made this opted in? Would you stay with VM if they also went opt in only? ---------- Post added at 11:54 ---------- Previous post was at 11:47 ---------- Quote:
And you can bet there are a raft of other ISP's waiting to add this to their system. Reminds me of Sky going to google mail for its customers.....and the mess they made of that. ;) |
Dont want to be phormed? Look here
Just noticed that there a nice Firefox Plugin to help mess with phorms system. Its called dephormation.
Note however, dephormation is not a solution. Its mearly a fig leaf for your privacy. original forum link - http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/forums/s...d.php?t=758923 Quote:
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Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77 & 102]
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I will stay with VM IF they can guarantee that my data does not get touched in any way by any of the equipment that they will install in there headends or pop sites. IF talk talk say that they can do that then VM should be able to do that again. I do NOT want my personal information to be subject to Deep Packet Investigation. To do that VM will have to install equipment. I do not give and will not give VM permission to do that. Should they do that i WILL disconnect all my services from them. If i have to disconnect i will go to a company that has NO Phorm spyware equipment installed in the POP or exchange that they use. At the moment that will be Be Unlimited. Now was that clear enough |
Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77 & 102]
I know few here saying if VM go ahead thats it they are moving lock stock and barrel there custom.
Thats your decision but you must remember your moving from the frying pan and straight into the fire if you goto BT telephony & SKY TV. If you think VM is bad then SKY, BT is just as evil to support PHORM and dont deserve custom. Why should you move your TV to SKY if SKY talk talk is going to support PHORM. To me it does not add up on that front. As for telephony its different you still got to go to a scummy company BT so we can get a NON compliant ISP. BT probably laughing that they know they cant lose custom due to we all have to move to BT in order to get BE. I maintain if I do have to go BT my TV will stay with VM the alternative I suppose is freeview(not exactly brilliant service), I am not allowed a satelite but for those who want a clean break from these companies I suggest look into FREESAT for TV. You cant completely cut ranks to teach all companies a lesson due to telephony issue. I suppose you could decide against a land line all together and go mobile but then what about internet. Basically in a sense what I am saying you cant punish one to move to another evil attitude company who is going to support PHORM. It makes no sense. |
Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77 & 102]
I have Sky for TV if I move all I move is Telephone and Internet...
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Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77 & 102]
Mertle i understand and see the point you are making but what alternative is there. Are you saying oppose this but if our protests are ignored do nothing??!!!!. can you imagine what will be next if everyone does that it just shout to company's "treat me how you want and i won't do anything cause your all crap" no if people feel strongly then they should take action. If that means moving to an isp using BT infrastructure then fine as long as that isp doesn't use and will not use phorm i can live with that.
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Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77 & 102]
It does not make sense to remove all packages from VM and place some or part of those packages with companies who also within BB divisions follow the same practices but the central point of leaving is being missed.
If I leave VM it will be all packages and the cost to them is way in excess of a grand per annum. They lose that money and will never get it back. If the replacements are B.T. landline then they get telephone rental and billing and from that I can choose a non Phorm ISP and change suppliers with a simple MAC code if they go Phorm. The TV would be via Sky and it is fairly obvious that no contractual obligations would be entered into which incorporated BB. With VM we are a captive audience based on technology but a break from that into the other technologies facilitates freedom. It is the practice of many multi-faceted companies to operate separate divisions and independent profit centres under a central umbrella. Consumer power comes from recognising that the company is a whole environment and that removal of funding from the whole is maximising the impact against the division that wishes to implement undesirable changes. VM is without doubt very vulnerable to churn over this issue and on a spend factor per customer possibly on a ratio of X4 or X5. |
Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77 & 102]
:D
it appears PhormUKTechTeam is now known as PhormUKPRteam see his latest comments here http://techdirt.com/articles/20080306/074534461.shtml well done, if only it were that easy to stop the unlawful processing of your data to the 'The ISP's profiler' (note their really pushing the onus of blame to the ISP now as noted above). remember kids, send that 'Data Protection Act notice' and make sure to mention to remove the right to process,export or pass your data property to the 'profiler' as well as anything outside provision and billing. ohh BTW, on that MPs blog,Techteam (as apposed PhormUKTechTeam, aka PhormUKPRTeam) claims to be infact a real tech inside Phorm "I am part of the techteam (and use the name techteam) at phorm...." http://www.bobpiper.co.uk/2008/03/theyve_got_phorm.php ---------- Post added at 15:02 ---------- Previous post was at 14:47 ---------- http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/technolo...t_mid2006.html Phorm has been hatching its plans since at least mid-2006 ... And here's some confirmation: an article from Citywire from April 2006, just after Carphone Warehouse announced its "free" broadband service. (Well, the broadband is free, but you have to switch to its phone service.) Citywire doesn't store its old pages (how useless is that?) but Google's cache does. The article begins: One company that rejoiced at Carphone Warehouse's recent free broadband launch is 121Media, a recently AIM-listed company that reckons it has the revenue model ISPs will now need to survive. 121Media has developed a piece of technology that sits on the server of an internet service provider (ISP) and enables usage data to be collected and analysed on the fly for every one of the ISP's customers. The data is anonymous, but tells the system exactly which web pages the user has viewed and what they have done on those pages, so that an advert can be served to them as they wait for the next page to load, which is precisely targeted to their usage patterns.Fascinating. I guess we all weren't paying enough attention, eh? Slightly over-optimistic though was the prediction that [Ertegrul] said revenues should start coming in from this new business model in the second half of this year.That would be 2006. We might not see the results until the second half of this year - 2008. ... " ---------- Post added at 15:09 ---------- Previous post was at 15:02 ---------- http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/dc5d99ee-e...0779fd2ac.html " Phorm down on search protests By Robert Orr and Neil Hume Published: March 7 2008 02:00 | Last updated: March 7 2008 02:00 Phorm shares came under pressure yesterday as the online advertising group ran into protests over its targeted search technology. The Aim-listed company's software maps browsing histories and uses them to target individuals with tailored advertising. Customers of internet providers that have struck deals with the company recently (BT, Virgin Media and TalkTalk) have complained and a website (www.badphorm.co.uk) has been created for the airing of grievances. Phorm said its technology protected users' privacy. Its shares closed down 6.5 per cent at £30.75." |
Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77 & 102]
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Sky does not (yet?) support Phorm. TalkTalk = The Carphone Warehouse's broadband, not Sky. |
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