Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77 & 102]
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Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77 & 102]
SMHarman,
I was of course aiming to highlight the spin :-) The reality is more usually along the lines that where adults or older children have access they do so on separate computers fed by routers. Saves all the endless fights about usage. I cannot imagine the hoops that need to be jumped through to make web access child safe and the way my eldest daughter has implemented it is via perpetual postponement of provision of a PC to my grandson (9). My children got to cut their teeth on a Sinclair ZX :-) |
Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77 & 102]
I wonder if anyone's employer has a view on Phorm
I do some work from home and I am sure my employer won't want my browsing research to be monitored in any way I suspect that a non-phorm ISP policy may be introduced |
Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77 & 102]
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Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77 & 102]
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Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77 & 102]
I think some of the answers being given by the Phorm people are being left deliberately vague, or are often being qualified with something on the end, much like a politician would do. For example, the standard reply when asked about 'If I opt out is it really switched off?' seems to be:
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However when the register asked for further details on this it came to light that even when you opt out a mirror of the data is still sent to a 'Profiler': Quote:
And now I find the following on the BBC, this is an admittance that the 'Profiler' software is from Phorm: Quote:
So, if I'm understanding this correctly, even if I opt out my data is mirrored and sent to a 'Profiler', this profiler is running Phorms 'Profiles' Software ? In what way is this being 100% switched off ? Also, is anybody else even more concerned that it now seems like the ISP's are allowing Phorms equipment and software to operate within the ISP network ? |
Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77 & 102]
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While I'm here, I should say my opinion on this whole thing is that all Phorm's assurances about user consent obtained 'via their ISP' isn't worth a hill of beans, because Phorm is well aware that the ISPs are planning to use an opt-in rather than an opt-out system to gain 'consent' from their victim-customers. Phorm is therefore complicit in this, no matter how hard it may wriggle and point the finger at the likes of Virgin and BT. The ISPs are not going to implement an opt-in system because if they did, next to nobody would bother to opt in, and the whole process would become rather pointless and more to the point, would make them a whole lot less money. Our best strategy here is to acknowledge the ISPs are not going to alter this policy, unless they are convinced the whole thing is making them so unpopular it's in their interests to totally abandon it. In the meantime, the more we shout for customers to opt out, the better. It's the only weapon we have, and hopefully it will hit them in the pocket, which let's face it is the only place it really hurts if you inhabit the secluded alternate universe of the Virgin boardroom. |
Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77 & 102]
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Just remember people, be prepared to vote with your wallets when it comes to crunch time. No retreat No surrender. |
Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77 & 102]
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By the way, part of the reason that I could never trust Phorm's CEO is that he claims that there was nothing wrong with his spyware, he said he was just misunderstood and it was only adware! Software that installs without a users consent and knowledge, and then hides itself from virus scanning isn't the act of innocent software. ---------- Post added at 22:37 ---------- Previous post was at 22:32 ---------- Quote:
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Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77 & 102]
ChrisT's post is well written and speaks volumes
The missus is already looking at sky TV for price and if this goes ahead....i did'nt ever think i would say this but BE here i come, always been an advocate of NTL selling many people VM internet 'n i don't even work for em. My question:will VM listen to customers or rely upon the non realizing customers to chase £. |
Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77 & 102]
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Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77 & 102]
I have been annoyed with a lot of things NTL / Virgin have done over the years, with capping and so on. But this i wont have. I WILL be looking for another ISP. I already have a BT phone line in the house so it really will be no problem for me to move else where
---------- Post added at 00:12 ---------- Previous post was at 00:04 ---------- Bethere will be upgrading my exchange in June. A lot cheaper too, could be going with them :) |
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Virgin won't lose many customer's at all over this but they'll lose me.
I don't even have a BT phone line but i'm willing to pay for one now. This is the last straw for me. I just hpoe that this does'nt become the norm with ISP's in the future. This whole situation is total and utter BS and i have no faith in those 3 ISP's or our government. You just know this carbage is going down. :-( Too much money for it not to and too many subscriber's who just don't know the score. |
Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77 & 102]
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That, I think, is the thing... They & other ISPs will potentially be getting £££££ £Â£Â£Â£Â£ from this... will they really give a monkey's about what we think if they stand to make so much money from this? And although there's a hell of a lot of anti-Phorm feeling here & on other forums, & some not exactly flattering press on some websites, I'd bet that the majority of customers simply will not know or care about it... they'll fall for the spin about targeted ads being beneficial, & they'll fall for the anti-phishing rubbish (not the main "benefit", & surely not really necessary for anyone with IE7 or Firefox etc.). |
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