Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
A bit sceptical given that CS know nothing at the best of times
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Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
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On the other hand, if it has been or is being tested, explicit consent has not been obtained and Virgin would therefore be in breach of RIPA and the DPA - we need proof one way or the other. They surely wouldn't be that stupid, though, given the BT case. Or would they? Is this arrogance on their part, or are they just dumb? Or maybe they think we're dumb? Jesus wept, this is starting to sound like something out of Enemy of the State! Isn't there any legal way we can force an answer from Virgin? Freedom of Information Act, maybe (do we have one?)? Does anyone here know anyone who works in news media? |
Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
I don't think VM are getting anywhere near the flak they deserve. They are content to let Phorm take it all.
There are hints of a VM takeover (project co-axial) http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2...richardbranson If this is the case they will not want any mass defections of 'marketing opportunities', nor would they want anything about any possible trials coming to light. I'm not saying thay have conducted trials, but the best thing to do with any possible take-over in the background is to keep silent, especially when it will also delay mass defections. The cost of a scandal or mass defections, in a take-over situation, will dwarf the potential profits to VM from Phorm. |
Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
Ok followed a link from the badphorm website to get to this blog:
http://seanprice.net/blog/2008/phorm-talk-back/ That blog includes a response that PhormTechTeam emailed to him and I quote: "We believe that, given the chance to understand our technology, people will reach the same conclusion as Privacy International and external auditor Ernst and Young: that Webwise represents a major, postive breakthrough in online privacy." Now, to be fair to Phorm, its unclear precisely when this email was sent but the timestamp for the blog itself is dated today. If their email to this blogger was sent in the last few days then it seems Phorm are still peddling the lie that Privacy International supported/audited them when in fact it was 80/20 Thinking. Do they not get it? Every time they lie, obfuscate, mislead us, that they damage their own PR argument that "you can trust us" etc |
Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
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Once Phorm's hardware is in place, the monitoring of everyone's internet traffic will be constant and persistent; so should a change of statute be made after that point in time, the data will already have been aggregated ready for big brother to browse... I agree with you that if RIPA can be used to kill this Phorm deal, it'll be ironic :p: ---------- Post added at 20:52 ---------- Previous post was at 20:41 ---------- Quote:
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Wireshark
I found a reference to this via The Register - could the network techies here tell me:
a) Can we use this to test for interception? b) How do we tell if it is happening? c) If it is, can we use the logs as evidence for legal proceedings? If the claims re CS telling people Phorm's live are true, then we may need to do something now - and perhaps do as little online banking/buying as possible until we know something. Oh, nearly forgot to ask: would I need a VPN router to use a VPN client, or is it enough that my current (USR5461) router can handle VPN traffic? And if we all start using VPN, how long before HMG starts asking what we've all got to hide? :( |
Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
Anybody had one of these ...
Thanks for getting in touch with our team recently about the complaint you had about your Virgin Media service. We're always sorry to hear when things don't run exactly as you'd hoped, and we hope that things are now sorted out for you. In fact, that's what we're writing about. At Virgin Media, we want to make sure we give you the best customer service we can. So we'd really like to find out how things went for you when we dealt with your issue. We've put together a few quick questions about how things went, and we'd really appreciate it if you'd take the time to let us know your thoughts. It shouldn't take longer than around one minute to complete. By finding out exactly how things went for you, we'll be able to understand the things we're getting right, and if there's anything you'd like us to do better. And we promise to use your feedback to make improvements where we can. If you'd like to take part in our survey, just click the web address below. Or you can simply cut and paste the entire web address into the web address box of your internet browser. [link] Thanks very much in advance for your help. Yours sincerely, The whole team at Virgin Media It goes on to say Satmetrix Systems, a leading provider of customer experience management solutions, will be conducting the survey on behalf of Virgin Media customer experience management solutions - leaves me feeling really warm and cuddly. Q1 - Satisfaction with VM customer support. Q2 - Likelyhood to recommend to friends and family. Q3 - Reason for dissatisfaction. Privacy manager indicated my name being pulled back several times, presumably via a cookie from VM webmail. |
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Q2 - Likelyhood to recommend to friends and family. Absolutely, completely and utterly never ever under any circumstances. Would advise any and all who will listen NOT to use VM. Q3 - Reason for dissatisfaction. Many reasons, all of which can be summed up in one word; Phorm! |
Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
I got one this afternoon, in the would you recommend, I said "not a chance as long VM goes ahead with Phorm, and here was me thinking you had turned the corner and were starting to get things in order."
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Whether it be opt in or opt out (you can even shake it all about!), any ISP that deals with a bunch of snakes like phorm deserves to lose a significant amount of its customer base. In trying to make a few more pennies a year with phorm they may in fact lose the pounds as users scramble around switching not just their broadband connection but their telephone and TV services too!!! VM have the most to lose over this phorm fiasco, more so than BT or CW which is why it’s strange that they still appear to be pursuing it. |
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Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
Rest assured, user migrations will not stop VM or any of the other ISPs involved from deploying this technology. Even if 50 000 people leave BT they still stand to make substantially more from Phorm than they will lose from the migrations.
You have to be a realist when dealing with such issues and that is why we must concentrate on the criminal aspects of this issue under RIPA. Of course, that's not to say we shouldn't keep up the campaigning and try to educate as many people as we can, and it doesn't mean people shouldn't leave VM, BT and CPW but it is important to note that this battle will not be won by migrations. Furthermore for every person who migrates out, there will be another person who doesn't know about Phorm or doesn't care, who will migrate in. Dig in, put your helmets on and clean your rifles, because we are in for a long war. Alexander Hanff |
Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
im not in for a long war just in untill theres confirmation that phorm is live then bye bye as they broke there t&c's then ill be looking for suitable compensation also if it has been illeagally stealth rolled out.
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So how do you test a transparent proxy assuming it's using port 80, 110 & 25?? Tracerouting won't work... and after BT's fiasco do you really think this will be cookie based?? (even in testing mode) I honestly don't have any beef with VM. The services I have do pretty much what is written on the wrapper. Their internet conections have an up-time far greater than BT's (I'm watching an entire BT exchange with huge packet loss at the moment). I was asking whether anyone else had noticed my obsevations - and no this is not an error with the double http form posting. I may be a newbee here, but 1 posting and you're making assumptions??? Tom |
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