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Re: Broadband Hardware Trial 2015

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Originally Posted by SnoopZ (Post 35789567)

Not excited here like some of the posters, was just wondering. :)

Pretty much what i expect it to be is another Superhub.

Speak for yourself, this is outright pornographic:

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https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2015/07/11.png

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2015/07/21.jpg

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2015/07/22.jpg

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2015/07/23.jpg

Re: Broadband Hardware Trial 2015

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Originally Posted by Kushan (Post 35789570)

Speak for yourself mate whatever turns you on! ;)

It looks like something out of 'Elite Danergous'!

Re: Broadband Hardware Trial 2015

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Originally Posted by SnoopZ (Post 35789575)

Speak for yourself mate whatever turns you on! ;)

It looks like something out of 'Elite Danergous'!

Is it wrong that I have a woody right now?

Re: Broadband Hardware Trial 2015

I would give the full specs but I don't have the time to collect disclaimers for messed up keyboards / screens.

Re: Broadband Hardware Trial 2015

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Originally Posted by Ignitionnet (Post 35789569)

Apologies: was not meant to refer to you, personally, as far as getting overexcited about a new cable CPE goes.

Those who are curious can just go to a few manufacturers' websites and have a look at their newer models of cable gateways and get an idea of likely specifications. These devices are wireless routers with a cable modem in them, and in many cases VoIP capability.

VoIP capability has been present in the underlying hardware of VM's Superhubs for a while, it's built into the SoCs, but there was no way of using it as the PacketCable standard hadn't been implemented.

Hardly any with Packetcable 1.5 and top notch wifi... (Zoom Model Model 5402)

What is the dis-advantage of having your router doing the QoS over packetCable QoS?

what is the advantage for the user and/or the cable company?

Re: Broadband Hardware Trial 2015

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Originally Posted by Ignitionnet (Post 35789553)

Hilarious at it would be, given how excited people are getting, it's not a baby monitor :)

A smoke detector?

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Originally Posted by Ignitionnet (Post 35789565)

What hint is there to give? It's a new piece of broadband hardware, exactly as the thread on the official forum states.

A broadband smoke detector?

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Originally Posted by Ignitionnet (Post 35789565)

I can't even begin to imagine how excited people must get when they walk around the home router section of PC World.

To be fair, I was pretty excited last time. Seeing as the only time I'm in the home router section of PC World is if they have the shiny new router I want for £50 less than online, and I got the last one in stock.

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Originally Posted by Ignitionnet (Post 35789569)

VoIP capability has been present in the underlying hardware of VM's Superhubs for a while, it's built into the SoCs, but there was no way of using it as the PacketCable standard hadn't been implemented.

Thinking back to our previous discussion about PacketCable, VOIP, and Netgear's choice of socks, I've a pretty good idea what this'll be then.

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Originally Posted by Kushan (Post 35789570)

Speak for yourself, this is outright pornographic

Meh, I'm more into:

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2015/07/17.jpg

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2015/07/18.jpg

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2015/07/19.jpg

and

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2015/07/20.jpg

Sadly at nearly £5000 per pair, the AirFiber 24HD is the only one I've not had a chance to play around with :(

This is more my kind of antenna porn:

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2015/07/15.jpg

Re: Broadband Hardware Trial 2015

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Originally Posted by Carlos Carboni (Post 35789611)

I'm actually really struggling on how to answer this.

I think you misunderstand the function of PacketCable if you think simple QoS configured on a router is a substitute. The primary driver is being able to dynamically add and remove service flows so that these can run without affecting the 'best effort' broadband service flow.

A standard voice call requires 64kbps of symmetrical bandwidth; PacketCable's signalling ensures this gets nailed up as unsolicited grant, so it takes precedence over everything else running on the DOCSIS downstream and upstream channels. Can't really do that with the QoS on the home router, and wasteful to have that service flow sitting there all the time, so it has to be added via dynamic signalling.

That's one example. Another is video streams: with PacketCable a video service flow can be added on demand which uses PBE / Priority Best Effort on the cable network, thus taking precedence over the broadband Best Effort service flows for access to bandwidth and ensuring that video is smooth even on highly utilised service groups.

PacketCable is there to solve specific problems, which it does.

Lastly I'd imagine you'd be looking for the newer PacketCable 2.0 standard if looking for the latest and greatest. Most recent standards published 2014 where 1.5 was originally published in 2009 with extensions in 2012.

PacketCable is just software though, so support can be added progressively. eMTA functionality not so much.

Re: Broadband Hardware Trial 2015

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Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq (Post 35789616)

This is more my kind of antenna porn:

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2015/07/15.jpg

More subtle than my antenna porn ;)

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2015/07/16.jpg

Re: Broadband Hardware Trial 2015

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Originally Posted by Ignitionnet (Post 35789621)

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Originally Posted by Carlos Carboni (Post 35789611)

What is the dis-advantage of having your router doing the QoS over packetCable QoS?

what is the advantage for the user and/or the cable company?

I'd put it simply down to this: PacketCable is implemented as part of the cable stack and is therefore able to address the intricacies of DOCSIS and HFC signalling and scheduling.

QoS on a router isn't.

Re: Broadband Hardware Trial 2015

Does it matter if you only use exisitng in modem only ?

Re: Broadband Hardware Trial 2015

Thanks Ignitionnet & qasdfdsaq. I have a better understanding of it now. Appreciated.

Re: Broadband Hardware Trial 2015

G.fast is still a way away. I wouldn't hold your breath; BT may start small scale roll out in financial year 2016-2017 and say that the full roll out, covering most UK homes, will complete by 2026-2027.

The majority of VM's network will be 500Mb capable by 2016.

Re: Broadband Hardware Trial 2015

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Originally Posted by Ignitionnet (Post 35789757)

The majority of VM's network will be 500Mb capable by 2016.

Sure, but when will VM's network be capable of 500Mb upload?

Re: Broadband Hardware Trial 2015

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Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq (Post 35789773)

Sure, but when will VM's network be capable of 500Mb upload?

Around about the time there's a good reason to offer that speed beyond allowing people to run busy servers and offer cloud computing from home.

Work to upgrade to the required DOCSIS 3.1 and high-split HFC is a work in progress.