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So far it seems a somewhat watered down affair.

Nothing really very controversial, quite a few welcome (IMO) changes.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40339564

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"Smart Meter Bill

..... puts consumers in control of their energy use, helping them understand their energy and bills, bringing an end to estimated billing and transforming the experience of pre-paying customers

..... protects the operation of the national data and communication service to safeguard smart services at all times

..... ensure smart meters will be offered to every household and business by the end of 2020

..... introduce a Special Administrative Regime, which will provide insurance for the national smart meter infrastructure in the unlikely event that the company responsible for it becomes insolvent"

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We have had our smart meter for 2 years now and thus so far we are pretty happy with it.

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We maybe better off without as our solar panel export is assumed to be 50% so if we use more than that we are even more pennies in. If we use less though we are worse off, hence we use most heavy electricals in morning when panels are at max.

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It's great the Corbyn and McDonnell are so pro the police, just a bit odd that they don't seem to mind stirring up tensions for 'demonstrations' like the Day of Rage in which the police are once again going to be in the front line for any violence meted our by the loony lefties. When McDonnell boasted about 'the best of our movement kicking the **** out of Millbank' during the London riots who does he think was put at most at risk I wonder. The police!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zEuKBxdyy-Q

The 'best of our movement'? Angry, violent, thugs? Really? It's really quite bizarre that anyone could vote for dangerous hypocrites like this.

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It was a rubbish speech; no jokes or anecdotes at all. And she didn't toast the bridesmaids...

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At least we can see where Jeremy Corbyn's priorities lie..... and it ain't with Veterans of our Armed forces, bloody traitor. :rolleyes: #NotPrimeMinisterMaterial

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But the great unwashed were cheering his name through their drug fuelled haze at Glastonbury just now. They love him :erm:

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Sorry but they can't see beyond the ends of the noses. They hear what they want to hear.

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What Radiohead? Theresa could have gone along and put her point of view and got down with the kids....

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She has better morals. Unlike you, Corbyn.... May went to the Armed Forces day service in Liverpool. :rolleyes:

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She seems to have gone down well in Liverpool too...
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/...eaves-13234066
There's lots of the public that can't 'see beyond the end of their noses' it seems...:rolleyes:

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I think it's all getting a bit (more) cultish around Corbyn but can't really see what there is to object too about him going to Glastonbury (other than the cult aspect). Some are repeating the mistakes that Remain made by being deaf to the concerns of other demographics, I.e the young.

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Corbyn even had the audacity to post an old picture of himself meeting with veterans whilst he was off having fun at a music festival.

https://order-order.com/2017/06/24/c...lasto-instead/

What a complete and utter disgrace to parliament this guy and his nasty cronies are.

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Because he went to Glastonbury and not the Armed Forces Day? Is the latter a thing it's customary for the leader of the opposition to attend? I really don't see that as a disgrace or nasty. If he didn't turn up to remembrance day that would be something else entirely.

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You have to remember Damien political fairness and balance is pretty rare on this forum.;)

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Big deal, imo a government shows its support for its armed forces by equipping them as well as possible, not wasting their lives on foolish ventures and by looking after then once their service is done, not by turning up for a photo opportunity. Wonder if she bothered to stick around and meet any of the veterans like corbyn did and Dave didn't not so long ago.

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Photo opportunities is Corbyn's Forte... :dozey:

And you mean foolish ventures that Labour sent some on and to their deaths on an illegal war! :rolleyes:

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Yes she did stick around and speak to vets and anybody as did Fallon and Edward. They were quite approachable really and the boos that the Echo reported was only a few people compared to the 1000s that were there.

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He was invited to go, he should have gone.

Sorry Damien but he does seem to have a lot of disdain for our armed forces and he was invited to that event in Liverpool, to not go is a snub. He is a nasty piece of work, and he has cronies for friends, aka Abbott and McDonnell, who relished British defeat and even honour the enemy bombs and bullets against our soldiers during the bloody IRA era, that is unforgivable IMO.

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And the Conservatives also supported those wars so they are not immune from it either...

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Which they did for Boris in 2000 and quite a few other politicians as well in these last few decades...

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Not quite true den. They supported them on a lie and because they were misled, by then Labour PM Bliar.

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Not a great lover of him myself even though theirs was a better manifesto IMO but don't forget that governments of the last 30 years on both sides have cut our armed forces significantly so don't think they care for one moment about our wonderful armed forces because they bloody well don't as all l see from politicians from all sides is insincere platitudes and false promises and not much else sadly.

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They still supported them which is just the same and carried on when they were in government and what a sad great loss of lives for wars that should have never have happened IMO.

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I don't disagree with the criticism of his history with the IRA.

But I think this specific incidence is a bit manufactured to be honest. I don't think it's customary for opposition leaders to attend the Armed Forces Day event especially as this is a relatively recent initiative. I can't find much information though on whose attended in the past.

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It's not the same. If you are asked to support something because you have been told it's a matter of life and death, i.e. The presence of WMD. Of course you're going to support it.

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So surely they should have waited for proof of WMD before they put their full support behind it and what about when they came to power as they still supported it then for several more years.

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It was about six years later. A lot of changes had been made and destabilisation. To pull out of the area while a transition to a Strong and Stable government, (Oh no it's that phrase :D ) would have been wrong IMO.

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Lets hope no more stupid wars are forthcoming although sadly if politicians see personal gain for them and their party l would not put it past them.

Yes the Strong and Stable phrase will probably go on her epitaph when she leaves politics and dies sometime in the future as it was a complete and utter disaster and that's her own supporters saying that.

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Yes that's exactly what I mean, I didn't think I could've made it any clearer actually, it's almost as if you can't grasp the concept that I don't like or support either of them, to me labour and the Conservatives are different cheeks of the same arse and nothing would've turned out different no matter which of them was in charge, in fact it makes me feel a little queasy watching these politicians paying lip service whilst at the same time screwing the armed forces into the ground.

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Seems to be very close to the previous tory 2015 manifesto which makes the whole election pointless.

They dropped what I think was their best policy of capping energy prices.

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Politicians only appreciate the armed forces when they want to use them and then expect to be able to prat around with the defence budget and interfere in appropriations whilst forgetting about the people. Whilst our loses in the official wars should always be remembered and honoured it would be nice if a means to pay tribute to the special and covert services personnel that die in between the public wars could happen. Those people are no less of a loss but rarely get mentioned or honoured even their funerals are treated almost like dirty secrets.

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Indeed and not just the special forces either. I was a submariner in the early 70s during the cold war and we had losses even then, but they were classed as tragic accidents cause we were in places that we shouldn`t be and so have not been officially recognised. I think but not sure that Hugh on here was in places where he shouldn`t be as well.

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DUP deal done:

• £1 Billion extra for Northern Ireland
• Triple-lock pensions stay
• Winter fuel allowance remains
• Defense commitment to stay at 2% (tho that was never in question...)

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what cuts in England will be made to pay for it £100m per vote and can say goodbye to good Friday agreement

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Other key points of the agreement include:

* The DUP will support the Tories on all Brexit and security legislation
* The UK's 2% Nato defence spending target will continue to be met
* Cash support for farmers will remain at current levels until the next election
* Both parties to adhere to commitments in Good Friday Agreement
* No Irish border poll without "consent of the people


There is also no agreement that they will support the government on any other policies other than those covered in the agreement.

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No sure they will be many other policies given the governments weakened position in parliament.

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both parties to adhere how when british suppost to be totally impartial in good Friday agreement and how can it be when one side wags the tail of the british govenment

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What's a disgrace is that he posted an old picture to give the impression he was doing something he wasn't.

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What is disgraceful is Theresa May took a needless gamble and lost by her own lack of effort this country of £1billion plus and the cost of the general election on top. And you moan about a photo. :erm:

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£1 Billion is peanuts (No Pun intended) to the billions useless Corbyn and his cronies would have cost this country in freebies, had they got to power, thank goodness this disaster has been avoided.

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You missed my point, she didn't need to call a general election, and if she did put some effort in to it she probably would have got her majority. So the £1billion+ is on her shoulders.

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I do not feel that I have missed any point, we have already established weeks ago she was wrong to call an election, but it's easy to say now in hindsight with 20/20 vision, on a sunny day like today, she should not have done it, but at the time she called it, she was 20 points clear and on track to win a massive landslide. Of course you have to run a super campaign and maintain such a lead.

May is extremely lucky that Corbyn is leader, I do not buy this sudden surge in popularity and I do not buy that there is complete harmony within Labour ranks.

My mates daughter was there at Glastonbury at the weekend and she said when Corbyn appeared on stage, he appeared absolutely cringe worthy, it was like an old uncle getting up to sing and dance at a wedding. My friend asked his daughter, he hope she did not take his crap in, she said no way. She said most will have been too stoned to care or remember what he said any way.

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The continuation of the triple-lock will end up costing far more than the £1 billion here will.

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I doubt it will cost £25 Billion and more which is what Labour were planning on borrowing to pay for all their freebies and carrot dangling.

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So unless we can come up with something that equates to £1bn in your mind we can't criticise Corbyn on an entirely different subject. You're not a momentum member are you? :rolleyes:

The £1bn hasn't been lost either - it's going to be spent on things in a part of the UK which I'd have thought those who've been whining constantly about austerity ought to be pleased about unless it's only their areas they want to have investment in...

Incidentally I'm not moaning about a photo, I'm pointing out Corbyn's utter hypocrisy when it comes to our armed forces. That has nothing to do with the PM or the Tories, it has to do with him being a nasty hypocrite who has plenty of previous when it comes to being offensive and I'm going to continue pointing that out whenever I want to.

So typical of Corbyn's cronies to whine about the DUP deal when what did Labour do in 2010 I wonder?...

https://order-order.com/2017/06/26/l...eland-in-2010/

Well we didn't really need to wonder at all did we. Labour have long perfected the art of saying one thing whilst doing another.

The we have the shadow chancellor claiming the Grenfell House victims were murdered.

https://order-order.com/2017/06/26/m...were-murdered/

This guy is a complete loony who just can't help himself. We're in the midst of a complex legal investigation and he thinks it's OK to start bandying terms like that around.

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this tweet so true

Fiona Rutherford‏
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Theresa May to a nurse who hasn't had a pay rise in 8yrs: "there's no magic money tree"
May to DUP: Here's £1.5 billion so I can keep my job

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It was 1 Billion, not 1.5 ;)

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Dave's including the back handers :)

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£1.2 billion were the hell is this money going to come from I wonder... Stuff the DUP.

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it is in total


Under the agreement, about £1bn in "new money" has been earmarked for Northern Ireland, as well as greater flexibility over £500m already allocated to the country.

http://news.sky.com/story/dup-and-co...-deal-10927704

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A bribe to save her crumbling premiership when it should be spent on important services in this country.

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exactly what they gonna cut to pay for this bribe

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I expect Conservative Central Office will have put the word out to its minions to try and deflect attention from this costly deal.

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I will tell you where this money is going to come from to fund the 1Billion quid bung.

TM will hit the welfare budget at the next opportunity. She will insist that the pay freezes stays for the essential services. She will squeeze local governments again.


I wasn't a great fan of Corbyn, but l can see another election coming before the end of this year. Plus a leadership challenge for TM. And l can just think of what will happen if they need a vote in the commons.

Sinn Fein who don't normally got to Parliament. They will turn up just to vote against any vote. We already have Wales and Scotland going barmy over this deal.

And l think you can goodbye to the Good Friday Agreement.

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Very unlikely, they won't ever swear an oath to the monarchy.

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Interesting how when May's spending money it's bribery but when Corbyn's cronies are promising huge spending in order to get votes that isn't bribery at all... :rolleyes:

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As I have said elsewhere and in threads on here, money can always be found if the motivation is for it to be found, but of course the tories will now have to deal with the money tree jokes given what they were claiming about labours manifesto.

With the triple lock staying, winter fuel payments staying, pensioners can be happy their favouritism continues but as I said, it means the election was pointless, the agreed policies are in line with what cameron had in his 2015 pledges.

Also from what was posted in this thread the DUP are only going to back brexit and security votes? this will be a testing 5 years much more than the lib dem coalition.

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To me this election just embedded my long term feelings which is we now have no society, people just are out to look after themselves and family.

Corbyn knew the tories have the pensioners sewn up although he tried to get them anyway with his triple lock promise, however the young were fair game, so his sweetener to them was the tuition fees issue. Other parts of his policies were just for the good of the country such as social housing and public services investment.

The tories probably have had the largest share of vote a minority government has ever had, and labour may also have the largest share of vote a losing party has ever had, as both achieved good results, the key thing to take from the election tho is the shift in voting intentions, currently the tories are been propped up by the over 60s, all other age groups are not favouring the tories, it was a generation battle election.

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tbf Den Norn Iron is part of this country. ;)

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The Tory press don't like the DUP deal:

The Sun: Theresa May faces fury as deal with the DUP to stay in power could cost British taxpayers £24BILLION

The Telegraph: DUP deal to prop up minority Tory Government set to cost billions as party hints it will be 'back for more'

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and long over due some TLC

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Murdoch not happy then :)

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Loving all the Conservatives defending paying out billions in extra to Northern Ireland and keeping pensions triple-locked yet if Corbyn thinks of increasing spending they say we have no money tree. :confused:

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http://newsthump.com/2017/06/26/lond...owning-street/ :D:D:D

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The Brexit-loving Sun newspaper is talking of a £24bn cost to the deal with the DUP so pretty equal to your wildest criticisms of Labour. Looks like Theresa May has nicked Diane Abbott's Excel spreadsheet! :D

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I dont know if the sun's figures are accurate but yeah we have to remember its not just the 1 billion funding for NI, but also the cost of the pension giveaways.

I wonder where the money tree is planted.

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The same sentiments would apply to any of the other leaders as well Osem.

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Being uneducated as you know Julian that is one thing l did actually know from a pretty young age. :)

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Yep there seems to be 2 magic money trees now as Corbyn has one and the Conservatives have the other one.

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Difference is of course labour never had to spend any billions, it's not like the tories have kept any of their election pledges so why expect anyone else to and it still might end up costing 24 billion to not keep those promises

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money well spent Labour would just give it to work shy scroungers er i mean their core voters .

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no one gives you a pension you pay for it all your working life unless your a scrounger who never works .

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40412343

Queenie didn't mention this in her speech, most have slipped one's mind. 8% for the Queen, 1% for the plebs.

Seems this magic money tree that we don't have keeps on giving.....

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DUP deputy leader shames Jeremy Corbyn and Nicola Sturgeon after Tory deal criticism

DEMOCRATIC Unionist Party deputy leader Nigel Dodds embarrassed Jeremy Corbyn and Nicola Sturgeon as he revealed talks with the Labour party and SNP took place after the last two general elections


To laughter in the House, he said: “We commit to transparency. We are fairly open to that and some day, I beg to think we might publish all of the correspondence and conversations we had in 2010 with the Labour front bench and in 2015 with the Labour front bench and indeed with the SNP as well.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/821...-arlene-foster

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l see nothing wrong with that when you consider that against what the Queen does and represents for this country.

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I dont know about that, I receive my Mod pension and it was a non contributory pension. I dont think they do it nowadays but they did when I was in.

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I do Den, the least the Royals can do is to stick to the same percentage rises as Nurses and the rest of the public sector.

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Nurse and public sector workers do deserve a pay rise given that their pay rise was 1% before and inflation is nearly 3% now so l don't disagree with your sentiments there.

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it's not that easy when your giving £ 350.000.000 per week to the EU

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And when we do leave the EU the question is where will that money go then? as l would not put much faith in it being used wisely that is for sure.

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that's a question for government to answer

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It's all going to the NHS Den, Bozza promised :erm:

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i think you will find it was a suggestion as to what we could do with our money not a statement of fact .

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Luckily May rescued a few branches of the magic money tree from the enchanted tax evasion forest to grease the palms of the DUP with.
You can be sure they'll be back for more soon.

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Well we all know how much they obfuscate when it comes to that....

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depends who's in power - if it's corbyn it'll no doubt go into lifting the cap on scrounging [have to look after the core voters ];)

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It's not being used wisely right now Den, how many times has the likes of Greece been bailed out?

You have other EU membership countries paying next to nothing and getting more back than it contributes, there is 18 countries that are being piggy backed, yet we and 9 other members get fleeced regardless.

They have opened the door to countries that offer nothing, but come with cap in hand when the going gets tough. :rolleyes:

If you was in a club and you had members getting all the benefits you are, but they are not paying what you are, you would soon get pissed off.

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l agree but when we are out of the EU don't take it as a gimme that it will be wisely used then Mick because in all likelihood it won't be.

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Sigh... an old and tired argument....He did not promise, he was not in a position to offer it or act on it. 'Let's give' is a suggestion.

I saw what papa said about membership fee and I just thought watch someone quite pathetically throw the argument about the 'suggestion' of the 350 Million going to NHS and here we are. :rolleyes:

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Bit like the Tory manifesto... Little of it is actually going to happen.
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Looking at some online info many of their core voters would be working l would imagine as would quite a few Conservative voters would be of the older vintage.

https://yougov.co.uk/news/2017/06/13...eral-election/

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I trust it more in Tory hands than Labour's Dens and certainly not in the hands of McDonnell, the Marxist, terrorist honouring traitor and his communist pals, Corbyn and co. :)

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l have no faith in either as at the end of the day its about what each individual thinks of their policies and whether they suit them.:)

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atm the Conservatives are following Labours manifesto, not their own... Maybe Corbyn is in power behind the scenes and he's holding one the the strings on the Theresa puppet, DUP the other.......

Can't wait for some votes in Parliament, it's not like Tory backbenchers to be trouble. Some of the remainer Tories are threatening to join Labour on Brexit votes, it'd only take a few. I certainly think foxes can sleep easier ;) I've put BBC Parliament down as one of my favourites, should be fun, much better than poxy Sky Atlantic anyway :D

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They are not following that piece of garbage at all. What on Earth have you been smoking? :devsmoke: :rolleyes:

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You've admitted you haven't read the Labour manifesto, so how do you know its garbage ? Did the Fail tell you ?

Let see, the new Govt's policies :-
Retention of the triple lock (Labour policy)
Retention of winter fuel payments for all Oaps (Labour Policy)
Capping utility bills (Ed Miliband's idea from the last Labour manifesto ! )
grammar schools (now not happening)
Free school meals (now being kept)
Fox hunting (err, forgotten about)
etc etc.

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Nope still not the same.

No I have not read it, I will answer you, as I answered Ianch, when he asked me this. Never heard of reviews? :rolleyes:

In other disgusting news. The absolute disgusting mess left by the young at Glastonbury at the weekend, where Corbyn mocked President Trump, for leaving the Paris Accord climate change etc and the crowd chanting in agreement and then they leave all their filth at the site. Friends of the Earth my arse! :afire:

We the older generation, meant to respect the young and their future. Yeah sure. Dirty disgusting pigs, if these are the future generation then we are FUBAR.. :mad:

http://metro.co.uk/2017/06/26/epic-c...close-6734510/

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I think you're trying to change the subject from the Queens speech Mick (!)

As for just going on other peoples 'reviews' of the Labour manifesto, they could be Fake reviews/news Mick and I know how mad all that Fake stuff that makes you ! :D

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We are discussing Labour polices and I'm discussing Corbyn which is within the remit of this topic. Thanks.

I'm highlighting the massive hypocrisy, that we had Corbyn preaching his BS at the weekend at Glastonbury, him mocking Trump for leaving Paris accord and then his young disciples leave their filth and crap scattered about the fields in a truely hypocritical fashion. Most of them would probably join a protest for saving the Earth but it's ok, if they leave their filth. :rolleyes:

Care to comment on the young leaving their crap about Mr K, you care about the Earth a great deal, just as much as I do, as it should be with everyone. So the younger generation that you preach about, leaving their crap like that, does it not bother you ?

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There isn't much to comment is there? It's wrong. People shouldn't leave their crap around. It's no reflection on anyone but themselves though. It's a festival of 170,000 people though so even if 5% of people littered then it could cause an enormous mess.

I would also point out people aren't hypocrites because of the actions of people in their cohort. Corbyn would be a hypocrite if he littered. Young people who are passionate advocates of the environment, an advocacy which is not universally shared by young people nor limited to them, aren't hypocrites because other young people have littered as Glastonbury.

There will certainly be people professing to care about the environment who are in part responsible for the mess left this week and those people would indeed by hypocrites.

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I'm sure Den would spend it wisely.:D:D:D

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I digress, I should not have swept all youth in the same assumption but I tend to get vey frustrated with members on here who have double standards, that it matters less if it's a certain group or entity and or one person.

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I would vote Den for PM. :D

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Spending money wisely means thinking of the betterment of the whole country rather then the bribery of some groups don't you think pip?.;)

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Topic title updated - as we are past the Queens Speech now.

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l often assumed or stereotyped certain groups when l was younger but many events have happened since then and that does impart a much different thinking then what was once the case with alas perhaps a little more sense and wisdom.

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The only person worthy of that is the one standing next to me with a rolling pin.;):D