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jfman 25-07-2023 18:28
When does being “woke” go too far?
 
Another day, another BBC apology.

Embarrassing scenes from the BBC at the Women’s World Cup as they have to apologise to the Morocco team for asking their captain if there are any lesbians in the team and how they feel living in a country where homosexuality is a crime.

They obviously wouldn’t ask all the (male) Premier League captain to out their team-mates when statistically there must be dozens of players who are gay. Similarly they wouldn’t ask them to incriminate themselves in any other crime.

This comes after a summer confusing Russians and Belorussian tennis players asking them to condemn the regimes there and risk their families at home.

When will the western liberal elite realise it’s not their job to co-opt others, risking their jobs, reputations and at worst their lives for ideals they may not hold and if they do may not seek to verbalise. Would the journalists be willing to swap places?

Jaymoss 25-07-2023 19:20
Re: When does being “woke” go too far?
 
About 5 years ago

This story isn't woke though. The BBC were just stupid asking them questions

Paul 25-07-2023 19:21
Re: When does being “woke” go too far?
 
It went to far about 25 years ago, and is still going.

The rise of [anti] social media sent it full speed off the rails.

1andrew1 25-07-2023 19:21
Re: When does being “woke” go too far?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36157117)
Another day, another BBC apology.

Embarrassing scenes from the BBC at the Women’s World Cup as they have to apologise to the Morocco team for asking their captain if there are any lesbians in the team and how they feel living in a country where homosexuality is a crime.

They obviously wouldn’t ask all the (male) Premier League captain to out their team-mates when statistically there must be dozens of players who are gay. Similarly they wouldn’t ask them to incriminate themselves in any other crime.

This comes after a summer confusing Russians and Belorussian tennis players asking them to condemn the regimes there and risk their families at home.

When will the western liberal elite realise it’s not their job to co-opt others, risking their jobs, reputations and at worst their lives for ideals they may not hold and if they do may not seek to verbalise. Would the journalists be willing to swap places?
Utterly inappropriate questions and as you pertinently say, would the journalist concerned want to be asked such a question? Suspect it might be trying to fill the time due to a lack of knowledge of women's football.

Hugh 25-07-2023 20:02
Re: When does being “woke” go too far?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36157117)
Another day, another BBC apology.

Embarrassing scenes from the BBC at the Women’s World Cup as they have to apologise to the Morocco team for asking their captain if there are any lesbians in the team and how they feel living in a country where homosexuality is a crime.

They obviously wouldn’t ask all the (male) Premier League captain to out their team-mates when statistically there must be dozens of players who are gay. Similarly they wouldn’t ask them to incriminate themselves in any other crime.

This comes after a summer confusing Russians and Belorussian tennis players asking them to condemn the regimes there and risk their families at home.

When will the western liberal elite realise it’s not their job to co-opt others, risking their jobs, reputations and at worst their lives for ideals they may not hold and if they do may not seek to verbalise. Would the journalists be willing to swap places?
What have these inappropriate questions have to do with "woke"?

Taf 25-07-2023 20:07
Re: When does being “woke” go too far?
 
"Woke": to be aware of situations, conditions or history of someone or something that YOU now deem to be wrong.

The BBC news has become very female-orientated in its reporting over the past few months, so maybe they want to keep "on topic" by asking all the "woke" questions?

jfman 25-07-2023 20:43
Re: When does being “woke” go too far?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36157125)
What have these inappropriate questions have to do with "woke"?
It’s clear that the BBC were trying to reflect (and impose) values in the line of questioning.

All meaningless virtue signalling unless they will apply the same principles without fear or favour. And we all know they wouldn’t ask an English footballer to put homosexuals in their dressing rooms.

Hugh 25-07-2023 21:18
Re: When does being “woke” go too far?
 
Clear to you, perhaps…

Not sure how asking Russian & Belorussian players idiotic questions is "woke".

Sephiroth 25-07-2023 21:56
Re: When does being “woke” go too far?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36157142)
Clear to you, perhaps…

Not sure how asking Russian & Belorussian players idiotic questions is "woke".
"Woke" has compartments much like the "left wing" and the "right wing" does.

A common thread in "wokery" is virtue signalling of whatever part of the spectrum floats their boat.

"Values", trans-gender, diversity, inclusiveness are commonly perceived attributes in wokery.

Then, of course, there's Hugh, who likes posting meaningless large pictures that vaguely play to his rank in the "Wokerati".

What have they all in common in addition to virtue signalling? They're seriously annoying.

Good thread/topic, John.

jfman 25-07-2023 22:15
Re: When does being “woke” go too far?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36157142)
Clear to you, perhaps…

Not sure how asking Russian & Belorussian players idiotic questions is "woke".
You say they ask idiotic questions as if they just chanced upon a press conference and at a few seconds notice thought “I’m out of ideas I’ll ask about the war”. These aren’t hapless local radio hacks, they’re accredited journalists for our state broadcaster. In the current example a journalist has been flown around the world to virtue signal without due regard for the situation the Morocco captain is in.

At best she says nothing and avoids the trap. At worst she sets herself and teammates up for invasive scrutiny once they return home. Somewhere in the middle is a sitting on the fence answer viewed with suspicion at home and offends gays and lesbians because she can’t unequivocally stick up for their right to live and love as they please under the media spotlight.

All for a journalist who is happy to sacrifice a North African woman to virtue signal to people in London

Sephiroth 25-07-2023 22:25
Re: When does being “woke” go too far?
 

Hugh hasn't grasped (or so pretends) that the LGBTQ+ABCDEFG stuff is the wokery that's being projected onto the poor Moroccan ladies.

Your point, John, is 100% correct.

Anyway, I think we're just past peak woke and the light is beginning to fade - by popular demand somewhere near HUGH.

Pierre 25-07-2023 23:26
Re: When does being “woke” go too far?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36157125)
What have these inappropriate questions have to do with "woke"?
Because woke is evil and must challenged and destroyed wherever and whenever we encounter it. Your days are numbered. Watch the skies.

Hugh 25-07-2023 23:35
Re: When does being “woke” go too far?
 
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36157152)

Hugh hasn't grasped (or so pretends) that the LGBTQ+ABCDEFG stuff is the wokery that's being projected onto the poor Moroccan ladies.

Your point, John, is 100% correct.

Anyway, I think we're just past peak woke and the light is beginning to fade - by popular demand somewhere near HUGH.
I would refer you to Godwin’s Second Law…

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36157165)
Because woke is evil and must challenged and destroyed wherever and whenever we encounter it. Your days are numbered. Watch the skies.
;)

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Maggy 26-07-2023 08:22
Re: When does being “woke” go too far?
 
Hmm! One step forward,then two steps back?
I'm for equality for everyone.I may not understand the labels but I think everyone is entitled to use whatever term they like about themselves and yes they may have to put up with other peoples opposing views but let's be polite about it.Let's be adults.

Sephiroth 26-07-2023 09:21
Re: When does being “woke” go too far?
 
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Originally Posted by Maggy (Post 36157182)
Hmm! One step forward,then two steps back?
I'm for equality for everyone.I may not understand the labels but I think everyone is entitled to use whatever term they like about themselves and yes they may have to put up with other peoples opposing views but let's be polite about it.Let's be adults.
That's the problem: when you dig into it, the cracks in the floor emerge.

Take the gender issue: should biological males who take female gender (!!) be able to use the ladies' WC?

"Equality for everyone" is obviously right where natural borders apply. The woke agenda, in part, introduces un-natural borders and hence normal people (there's a word for you to pick on, "normal") push back.


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