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mrmistoffelees 03-09-2016 17:15
Obese people and smokers to be refused surgery (now in review)
 
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...shire-37265752

Not sure how I feel about this one.

Whilst I understand the NHS is straining to provide services I'm not sure that it should be actively refusing services. In the article it does mention that people can be given surgery if they lose 10% of the weight or if they can prove they have not smoked for eight weeks.

If you were to target the obese and smokers (of which I am both) surely you should also be targeting the likes of those who go and get drunk of their faces and also those who engage in extreme sports

Hell, why not target those who use cycles or motorcycles?

Not sure on the legality of the entire situation. Hopefully it wont happen

S_james 03-09-2016 17:19
Re: Obese people and smokers to be refused surgery (now in review)
 
As a fit healthy none smoker I agree with this. Nothing makes less sense to me than seeing a smoker cough their lungs up then light a cigarette, or seeing a grossly obese person stuffing their face with junk food.

I know an obese person who claims he cannot not afford to eat healthy or join a gym, I pointed out a iceberg lettuce is 34p, 12 tomatoes 90p, a hand of bananas £1, 1kilo of fresh carrots 50p, 8 apples £1, a turkey leg £2.50, a whole chicken £4, a water melon £2 a big bag of rolled oats 70p etc etc.

He had no answer lol. For the price of a junk food meal of around £5 you get a lot of fresh fruit. An a weeks worth of "smokes" buys some nice healthy food. Walking 2 miles a day is free.

mrmistoffelees 03-09-2016 17:22
Re: Obese people and smokers to be refused surgery (now in review)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by S_james (Post 35857591)
As a fit healthy none smoker I agree with this,
Based on.....?

nomadking 03-09-2016 17:28
Re: Obese people and smokers to be refused surgery (now in review)
 
From 2005
Quote:
Obese people are to be denied some surgical procedures in a bid to cut costs in the NHS. Three Suffolk primary care trusts have ruled patients with a body mass index (BMI) over 30 will not get operations like hip and knee replacements.
2008
Quote:
About one in 10 hospitals already deny some surgery to obese patients and smokers, with restrictions most common in hospitals battling debt
Nothing new. Anyone would think that everything only started in 2010.:rolleyes:

denphone 03-09-2016 17:29
Re: Obese people and smokers to be refused surgery (now in review)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by S_james (Post 35857591)
As a fit healthy none smoker I agree with this. Nothing makes less sense to me than seeing a smoker cough their lungs up then light a cigarette, or seeing a grossly obese person stuffing their face with junk food.

I know an obese person who claims he cannot not afford to eat healthy or join a gym, I pointed out a iceberg lettuce is 34p, 12 tomatoes 90p, a hand of bananas £1, 1kilo of fresh carrots 50p, 8 apples £1, a turkey leg £2.50, a whole chicken £4, a water melon £2 a big bag of rolled oats 70p etc etc.

He had no answer lol. For the price of a junk food meal of around £5 you get a lot of fresh fruit. An a weeks worth of "smokes" buys some nice healthy food. Walking 2 miles a day is free.
Some who are obese actually don't stuff their faces as there is more then one way in which people get obese l can guarantee you.

mrmistoffelees 03-09-2016 17:32
Re: Obese people and smokers to be refused surgery (now in review)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 35857593)
From 2005

2008
Nothing new. Anyone would think that everything only started in 2010.:rolleyes:
Regardless of how long it's been going on, is it justifiable?

Hell, lets not treat people over a certain age (70?) because lets face it, they're going to die soon..... right ?

S_james 03-09-2016 17:34
Re: Obese people and smokers to be refused surgery (now in review)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35857594)
Some who are obese actually don't stuff their faces as there is more then one way in which people get obese l can guarantee you.
Yes you get obese by being calorie positive, eating more calories than you burn. No illness creates fat from nothing and makes you obese.

mrmistoffelees 03-09-2016 17:37
Re: Obese people and smokers to be refused surgery (now in review)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by S_james (Post 35857591)
As a fit healthy none smoker I agree with this. Nothing makes less sense to me than seeing a smoker cough their lungs up then light a cigarette, or seeing a grossly obese person stuffing their face with junk food.

How about someone who goes out and drinks ten pints and gets drunk and falls down a set of stairs breaking their leg?

How about someone who goes skiing, comes a cropper and shatters their pelvis?

How about a cyclist who goes out and is injured in a crash with a car/bus/truck

How about a motorbiker who goes out and is injured as above?

Do any of the above make less sense that someone smoking? or stuffing their face with junk food ?

I know an obese person who claims he cannot not afford to eat healthy or join a gym, I pointed out a iceberg lettuce is 34p, 12 tomatoes 90p, a hand of bananas £1, 1kilo of fresh carrots 50p, 8 apples £1, a turkey leg £2.50, a whole chicken £4, a water melon £2 a big bag of rolled oats 70p etc etc.

He had no answer lol. For the price of a junk food meal of around £5 you get a lot of fresh fruit. An a weeks worth of "smokes" buys some nice healthy food. Walking 2 miles a day is free.

What about the people who are working all the hours god sends to look after their familys ? where do they find the time to walk 2 miles a day?

denphone 03-09-2016 17:44
Re: Obese people and smokers to be refused surgery (now in review)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by S_james (Post 35857596)
Yes you get obese by being calorie positive, eating more calories than you burn. No illness creates fat from nothing and makes you obese.
Rubbish as there are some underlying medical conditions that contribute to weight gain and obesity and also there are some medicines that contribute to significant weight gain as well so l guess these people must be stuffing their faces then?

S_james 03-09-2016 17:45
Re: Obese people and smokers to be refused surgery (now in review)
 
I work a lot, I can find the time to go for walks, bike rides everyday.

mrmistoffelees 03-09-2016 17:47
Re: Obese people and smokers to be refused surgery (now in review)
 
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Originally Posted by S_james (Post 35857599)
I work a lot, I can find the time to go for walks, bike rides everyday.
Must be nice !!!
Everyone obviously has the same lifestyle as you? because lets face it, if you can do it, so can everyone else, yes?

S_james 03-09-2016 17:50
Re: Obese people and smokers to be refused surgery (now in review)
 
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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 35857600)
Must be nice !!!
Everyone obviously has the same lifestyle as you? because lets face it, if you can do it, so can everyone else, yes?
Are you saying everyone can do what I can?

mrmistoffelees 03-09-2016 17:51
Re: Obese people and smokers to be refused surgery (now in review)
 
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Originally Posted by S_james (Post 35857601)
Are you saying everyone can do what I can?
Thats what you implied

S_james 03-09-2016 17:55
Re: Obese people and smokers to be refused surgery (now in review)
 
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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 35857602)
Thats what you implied
No, I said I work a lot and I go for walks and bike rides. You implied anyone working long hours cannot also take exercise. You can do a lot in your lunch break,

mrmistoffelees 03-09-2016 18:00
Re: Obese people and smokers to be refused surgery (now in review)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by S_james (Post 35857604)
No, I said I work a lot and I go for walks and bike rides. You implied anyone working long hours cannot also take exercise. You can do a lot in your lunch break,
We both made implications.

Can you? You're again making dangerous assumptions. Not everyone has a fixed lunchtime at which they can go for a run. People have things to do such as dentist or doctors appointments. daily errands etc.

I'd like to know what your definition of 'long hours' is?


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