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GazCBG 26-09-2015 11:44
Any news on IPv6 with Virgin Media yet?
 
Hi,

I have heard that ARIN, has run out of IPs and can't see RIPE being that far behind.

So I was wondering if/when or any news on Virgin Media enabling IPv6 access?

Ignitionnet 26-09-2015 12:03
Re: Any news on IPv6 with Virgin Media yet?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by GazCBG (Post 35800301)
I have heard that ARIN, has run out of IPs and can't see RIPE being that far behind.
RIPE ran out of /8s in 2012 ;)

They're on the case. Should see something in the not too distant as they will be running out of IPv4 addresses in the private / RFC1918 range.

JoelTheSuperior 26-09-2015 14:08
Re: Any news on IPv6 with Virgin Media yet?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ignitionnet (Post 35800302)
They're on the case. Should see something in the not too distant as they will be running out of IPv4 addresses in the private / RFC1918 range.
Thanks for this. I'm actually quite optimistic now that I've seen they're actually working on it.

Maybe I'm a bit of a pessimist but I really didn't think Virgin Media were too fussed about IPv6.

Ignitionnet 26-09-2015 16:27
Re: Any news on IPv6 with Virgin Media yet?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by JoelTheSuperior (Post 35800325)
Thanks for this. I'm actually quite optimistic now that I've seen they're actually working on it.

Maybe I'm a bit of a pessimist but I really didn't think Virgin Media were too fussed about IPv6.
They aren't but they know it has to be done, largely for private addresses as mentioned.

pip08456 26-09-2015 22:35
Re: Any news on IPv6 with Virgin Media yet?
 
Most (if not all) ISP's will use a workround until it is absolutely neccessary to make the change.

The IPv6 scare has been around for at least 4 years, the fact is you probibly won't know when the change takes place as ISP's will be ready for it, they should have everything in place to do so.

Ignitionnet 27-09-2015 01:15
Re: Any news on IPv6 with Virgin Media yet?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35800400)
Most (if not all) ISP's will use a workround until it is absolutely neccessary to make the change.
I haven't actually seen a single ISP use a workaround. Sky are going straight to dual-stack, 50% of their customer base are there, BT are going dual-stack, VM are going dual-stack. I will have dual-stack available to me by the end of the year via my TalkTalk Business reseller.

Trials of a workaround were done, but I am not aware of any fixed-line provider that has deployed CG-NAT.

The method in which operators make the change to IPv6 obviously is slightly different as there are other ways than pure dual-stack but it is happening now, finally, and is gaining pace. The sticking point for many was CPE, not such an issue now.

Chrysalis 27-09-2015 17:13
Re: Any news on IPv6 with Virgin Media yet?
 
yeah they all seem to be heading for dual stack but it wouldnt surprise me if we may start seeing cg-nat on low end packages and isp's using a non shared ipv4 ip as a selling point for more expensive packages :)

Hom3r 27-09-2015 17:33
Re: Any news on IPv6 with Virgin Media yet?
 
I guess that home routers would need to be changed if they don't support IPv6?

Luckily mine does.

kev445 27-09-2015 18:09
Re: Any news on IPv6 with Virgin Media yet?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ignitionnet (Post 35800412)
I haven't actually seen a single ISP use a workaround. Sky are going straight to dual-stack, 50% of their customer base are there, BT are going dual-stack, VM are going dual-stack. I will have dual-stack available to me by the end of the year via my TalkTalk Business reseller.

Trials of a workaround were done, but I am not aware of any fixed-line provider that has deployed CG-NAT.

The method in which operators make the change to IPv6 obviously is slightly different as there are other ways than pure dual-stack but it is happening now, finally, and is gaining pace. The sticking point for many was CPE, not such an issue now.
BT have been doing it for a number of years now on the their slower packages:
http://bt.custhelp.com/app/answers/d...tion%2Fsharing

General Maximus 27-09-2015 18:29
Re: Any news on IPv6 with Virgin Media yet?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hom3r (Post 35800495)
I guess that home routers would need to be changed if they don't support IPv6?

Luckily mine does.
I can't imagine anyone having a router that doesn't. I think pretty much all decent routers for the last 5 years have been ipv6 ready and given the pace tiers have been changing with the free upgrades and speed doubling program, people have been to get new router to accommodate the demand on increased wan to lan throughput.

Kushan 28-09-2015 07:44
Re: Any news on IPv6 with Virgin Media yet?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35800400)
Most (if not all) ISP's will use a workround until it is absolutely neccessary to make the change.

The IPv6 scare has been around for at least 4 years, the fact is you probibly won't know when the change takes place as ISP's will be ready for it, they should have everything in place to do so.
4 years? How about 20? :p:

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hom3r (Post 35800495)
I guess that home routers would need to be changed if they don't support IPv6?

Luckily mine does.
Well, only if you want/need IPv6. The nice thing about a dual stack solution is that it works for devices that don't have IPv6 support. You just get what you have now.


I don't see IPv4 going anywhere any time soon. Virgin has plenty of spare IP's, probably as a result of so many cable mergers and their customer base isn't expanding enough for it to be an issue. Getting IPv6 to customers is more about solving the internal addressing issue that Igni describes and ensuring that customers have access to the IPv6-only internet, whenever that starts to be a thing.

Ignitionnet 28-09-2015 09:54
Re: Any news on IPv6 with Virgin Media yet?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by kev445 (Post 35800499)
BT have been doing it for a number of years now on the their slower packages:
http://bt.custhelp.com/app/answers/d...tion%2Fsharing
Ah forgot about that pilot. Believe it's discontinued now.

Chrysalis 28-09-2015 11:42
Re: Any news on IPv6 with Virgin Media yet?
 
ipv6 internet is already a thing, but a lot of people think it only matters if broadband isp's have spare ipv4, thats wrong. There is some services now ipv6 only as some places are already out of ipv4.

Kushan 28-09-2015 12:58
Re: Any news on IPv6 with Virgin Media yet?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chrysalis (Post 35800583)
ipv6 internet is already a thing, but a lot of people think it only matters if broadband isp's have spare ipv4, thats wrong. There is some services now ipv6 only as some places are already out of ipv4.
Indeed, I was referring to the services that are only available on IPv6. I can't name a single one off-hand.

qasdfdsaq 01-10-2015 13:02
Re: Any news on IPv6 with Virgin Media yet?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ignitionnet (Post 35800412)
I haven't actually seen a single ISP use a workaround. Sky are going straight to dual-stack, 50% of their customer base are there, BT are going dual-stack, VM are going dual-stack. I will have dual-stack available to me by the end of the year via my TalkTalk Business reseller.

Trials of a workaround were done, but I am not aware of any fixed-line provider that has deployed CG-NAT.
Lots of non-UK and non-fixed-line providers use CG-NAT though. Mobile broadband has been using it since day one.


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