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Cobbydaler 03-02-2013 20:34
Richard III discovered?
 
I really hope it's him & it renews the debate on his bad (Shakespeare) press...
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The results of DNA tests on bones found by a team searching for the lost grave of Richard III are due to be released.

Last year the University of Leicester dug on the site of a city church where it was thought the king was buried.

They found a skeleton with a badly curved spine and head injuries consistent with recorded details of Richard's death in 1485.

Sources said the tests, the results of which are to be released at 10:00 GMT on Monday, had "gone down to the wire".

Richard's two-year reign signalled the end of the dynastic struggle known as the Wars of the Roses and is seen by some historians as the last act of the medieval era.

His death at Bosworth - the last English king to be killed in battle - ushered in the Tudor dynasty beginning with Henry VII.

Shakespeare then helped to make Richard notorious as one of the English language's most memorable villains.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...shire-21292381

Sirius 03-02-2013 20:41
Re: Richard III discovered?
 
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Originally Posted by Cobbydaler (Post 35531474)
I really hope it's him & it renews the debate on his bad (Shakespeare) press...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...shire-21292381
How do they know its his DNA ?

martyh 03-02-2013 20:47
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Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35531482)
How do they know its his DNA ?

http://plantagenetdna.webs.com/richardiiisdna.htm

I tried reading but it's waaaayyy over my head

Sirius 03-02-2013 20:52
Re: Richard III discovered?
 
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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35531487)
http://plantagenetdna.webs.com/richardiiisdna.htm

I tried reading but it's waaaayyy over my head
That link reads like one of toonlights posts :LOL:

martyh 03-02-2013 20:54
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Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35531488)
That thought crossed my mind. They presumably have to have some DNA from a properly authenticated relative / descendant or something from another grave / body?
Apparently ,according to that link i posted there are still living descendants of the Plantagenet line and if i understand it correctly they have backtracked the DNA to Richard III sisters remains thus giving them a sample of his DNA

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Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35531493)
That link reads like one of toonlites posts :LOL:
I know :D bloody clever stuff though

Sirius 03-02-2013 21:00
Re: Richard III discovered?
 
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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35531494)
Apparently ,according to that link i posted there are still living descendants of the Plantagenet line and if i understand it correctly they have backtracked the DNA to Richard III sisters remains thus giving them a sample of his DNA

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I know :D bloody clever stuff though
Indeed it is.

Cobbydaler 03-02-2013 21:05
Re: Richard III discovered?
 
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Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35531482)
How do they know its his DNA ?
They're testing it against a Canadian descendant of his eldest sister:

http://www.680news.com/2013/02/03/sc...canadians-dna/

Sirius 03-02-2013 21:19
Re: Richard III discovered?
 
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Originally Posted by Cobbydaler (Post 35531504)
They're testing it against a Canadian descendant of his eldest sister:

http://www.680news.com/2013/02/03/sc...canadians-dna/
Thanks :tu:

tizmeinnit 03-02-2013 21:27
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Very interested in this as there is a lot of this and what come next fairly local to me. I have been to Bosworth Field a fair few times and then close by there is Kenilworth Castle where Leicester allegedly had an affair with Liz 1 who in turn had his wife murdered. Then of course Warwick castle and Warwick the Kingmaker I find it all fascinating

mertle 04-02-2013 00:59
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just reading up on some this.

noticed lol earl of lincoln has been said weaseled out. Maybe why they called yellowbellies.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Stoke_Field

no different the modern backstabbing polititians today.

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An impostor claiming to be Edward, whose name was Lambert Simnel, although it is difficult to say if that was his real name, came to the attention of John de la Pole, Earl of Lincoln. Lincoln, although apparently reconciled with the Tudor king, himself had a claim on the throne; moreover, the last Plantagenet, Richard III of England, had named him as the royal heir. Although he probably had no doubt about Simnel's true identity, Lincoln saw an opportunity for revenge and reparation.
Lincoln fled the English court on 19 March 1487 and went to the court of Mechelen (Malines) and his aunt, Margaret, Duchess of Burgundy. Margaret provided financial and military support in the form of 2000 German mercenaries, under the commander, Martin Schwartz. Lincoln was joined by a number of rebel English Lords at Mechelen, in particular Richard III's loyal supporter, Lord Lovell, Sir Richard Harleston, the former governor of Jersey and Thomas David, a captain of the English garrison at Calais.

tizmeinnit 04-02-2013 01:07
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There is a chain of thought that say The Pretender actually was Edward but was forced into confessions that he was not to saves other members of the family. He was apparently identified by his sister
The very fact that he was not executed strengthens this chain as Henry Tudor was not really a forgiving man

I personally do not think the princes were killed in the tower I believe Richard died of sicknesses he had ( documented illnesses) and Edward freed

wwe 04-02-2013 01:36
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How did they know he be buried there? And what will happen to the body?

TheDaddy 04-02-2013 05:32
Re: Richard III discovered?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cobbydaler (Post 35531474)
I really hope it's him & it renews the debate on his bad (Shakespeare) press...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...shire-21292381
the truth is there for those that can be bothered/ inclined to look for it, Shakespeare's hunchback wouldn't have been capable of what he did in battle.

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Originally Posted by wwe (Post 35531589)
How did they know he be buried there? And what will happen to the body?
It'll be properly buried with luck and iirc it's always rumoured to have been buried around there.

Chris 04-02-2013 09:56
Re: Richard III discovered?
 
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Originally Posted by wwe (Post 35531589)
How did they know he be buried there? And what will happen to the body?
Greyfriars church, where he was always believed to have been buried, was on that land, although it has long since been replaced by a car park.

I believe they are proposing a burial at Leicester Cathedral if it is proven to be him.

denphone 04-02-2013 11:41
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Archaeologists say skeleton belongs to King Richard III.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/s...-the-king.html


Thats brilliant news.


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