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Itshim 19-09-2012 12:52

Virgin TV Behind the rest ?
 
This "speaks" for itself.

Want a service do not use Virgin to deliver.:erm:

Thank you for contacting S4C.

As you are aware, English commentary is available on certain S4C sports broadcasts (where rights allow). This service is currently available on the Sky, Freesat and Freeview.

Unfortunately Virgin Media does not have the relevant technology to stream the English language commentary since they have only one language feed. Therefore it is not likely they will be able to provide this service in the foreseeable future.

I hope that this explains the situation for you.

Yours sincerely

Sion Thomas
Swyddog Y Wifren
Viewers' Hotline Officer

BenMcr 19-09-2012 13:24

Re: Virgin TV Behind the rest ?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Itshim (Post 35475826)
This "speaks" for itself.

Want a service do not use Virgin to deliver.:erm:

Thank you for contacting S4C.

As you are aware, English commentary is available on certain S4C sports broadcasts (where rights allow). This service is currently available on the Sky, Freesat and Freeview.

Unfortunately Virgin Media does not have the relevant technology to stream the English language commentary since they have only one language feed. Therefore it is not likely they will be able to provide this service in the foreseeable future.

I hope that this explains the situation for you.

Yours sincerely

Sion Thomas
Swyddog Y Wifren
Viewers' Hotline Officer

Rubbish, Euro News has multiple audio streams, on both V boxes and TiVo

Arthurgray50@blu 19-09-2012 13:25

Re: Virgin TV Behind the rest ?
 
I think that this comment speaks for its self.

VM claim that they have a top quality TV service and yet cannot supply certain technology. I have strong views on what the customers should get for what they pay for.

I spoke with S4C several years ago when it first came out and the were very polite and courteos and explained everything that l asked.

But to find this out concerning VM beggars belief, and proves its second rate company.

Stuart 19-09-2012 13:36

Re: Virgin TV Behind the rest ?
 
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Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu (Post 35475835)
I think that this comment speaks for its self.

VM claim that they have a top quality TV service and yet cannot supply certain technology. I have strong views on what the customers should get for what they pay for.

I spoke with S4C several years ago when it first came out and the were very polite and courteos and explained everything that l asked.

But to find this out concerning VM beggars belief, and proves its second rate company.

As Ben notes above, VM have other channels that have multiple audio streams. Clearly other channels can provide multiple audio streams through VM's apparently limited technology. Why can't S4C?

Itshim 19-09-2012 13:47

Re: Virgin TV Behind the rest ?
 
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Originally Posted by Stuart (Post 35475836)
As Ben notes above, VM have other channels that have multiple audio streams. Clearly other channels can provide multiple audio streams through VM's apparently limited technology. Why can't S4C?

Would someone from Virgin like to comment. Clearly S4C are blaming them. Perhaps I could pass the information back to them . In the end I just want to stop switching to freeview to watch this channel. Is that to much to ask.:dozey:
Have sent your reply on to them. Perhaps in the mean time you could advise whom I should chase this up with ?

carlwaring 19-09-2012 13:54

Re: Virgin TV Behind the rest ?
 
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Originally Posted by Itshim (Post 35475844)
Would someone from Virgin like to comment.

Erm... Ben just did. Or do you mean an official statement/press release or something? :confused:

BenMcr 19-09-2012 13:56

Re: Virgin TV Behind the rest ?
 
Maybe you should go back to S4C and point out that other channels on Virgin Media do have alternate audio, and get them to explain in more detail why they think VM can't support it?

Personally, I'm not sure why it's VM's responsibility to issue a statement on something that wouldn't seem to be true

Stuart 19-09-2012 14:01

Re: Virgin TV Behind the rest ?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Itshim (Post 35475844)
Would someone from Virgin like to comment. Clearly S4C are blaming them. Perhaps I could pass the information back to them . In the end I just want to stop switching to freeview to watch this channel. Is that to much to ask.:dozey:
Have sent your reply on to them. Perhaps in the mean time you could advise whom I should chase this up with ?

Unfortunately, Ben is about as close to an official announcement as you are likely to get. There could be many reasons why VM only carry one audio stream for S4C, and they are unlikely to comment publically on a forum such as this on any of them, as any comment could be taken as a criticism of their supplier, or an admission of a failure of their own. They won't do either lightly because it would either negatively impact their relationship with that supplier, or would make them look bad to customers.

My personal opinion is that whatever the reason S4C can't offer multiple audio streams on VM, it needs to be sorted.

Itshim 19-09-2012 14:03

Re: Virgin TV Behind the rest ?
 
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Originally Posted by BenMcr (Post 35475846)
Maybe you should go back to S4C and point out that other channels on Virgin Media do have alternate audio, and get them to explain in more detail why they think VM can't support it?

Personally, I'm not sure why it's VM's responsibility to issue a statement on something that wouldn't seem to be true


what I meant was. Yes we can but S4C wont etc, or sorry they are right we cant. Even we can but don`t want too .

I have also put the question to them. Perhaps the answer will be along the lines "Small fry" not worth the effort :erm:. who knows :dunce:

BenMcr 19-09-2012 14:06

Re: Virgin TV Behind the rest ?
 
The only possible thing I can think of is that the V boxes carry the Euro News alternate audio via a interactive app - Press Blue if I recall

There may be some technical reason why S4C can't do this on the V boxes - so that is what they are saying in their statement.

But as TiVo has built in support for alternate audio, there should be no reason it cannot do it, and S4C haven't yet updated their public statement to take account of this

Itshim 19-09-2012 14:15

Re: Virgin TV Behind the rest ?
 
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Originally Posted by Stuart (Post 35475852)
Unfortunately, Ben is about as close to an official announcement as you are likely to get. There could be many reasons why VM only carry one audio stream for S4C, and they are unlikely to comment publically on a forum such as this on any of them, as any comment could be taken as a criticism of their supplier, or an admission of a failure of their own. They won't do either lightly because it would either negatively impact their relationship with that supplier, or would make them look bad to customers.

My personal opinion is that whatever the reason S4C can't offer multiple audio streams on VM, it needs to be sorted.

I feel you are correct. However if you would like something,you have to start asking some were. Reminders for TiVo comes to mind.

Yet another reason to look a B T next year:D

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Originally Posted by BenMcr (Post 35475856)
The only possible thing I can think of is that the V boxes carry the Euro News alternate audio via a interactive app - Press Blue if I recall

There may be some technical reason why S4C can't do this on the V boxes - so that is what they are saying in their statement.

But as TiVo has built in support for alternate audio, there should be no reason it cannot do it, and S4C haven't yet updated their public statement to take account of this


Thank Ben I will also forward this to them:) Have passed on will now wait & see what happens :cool:

Arthurgray50@blu 19-09-2012 15:03

Re: Virgin TV Behind the rest ?
 
Hi Carlwaring, Just one question Is Ben a director of VM, as it states that he is a member of staff.

People have as much chance of getting a reply from VM management than Spurs have of winning the Premier League. VM will not tell you anything, the CS is totally useless, and as for management, l have spoken with them on other problems that l have as a customer and you won't get get an answer.

I am not having a dig but its about time that VM kept customers up todate with news, and if there is a problem with S4C and the customer goes elsewhere - is that good customer relations, l think not. You only have to look at the Red Button problem on TiVo, l spoke with VM and nothing got done.

Itshim 19-09-2012 15:45

Re: Virgin TV Behind the rest ?
 
It is a minor problem as far as I am concerned I simply switch to Freeview. It is sad that for what ever reason it does not work on Virgin. The end of the day I feel that the buck should stop with Virgin. Why , Sky , Freeview & FreeSat have all sorted it out. Clue it ALWAYS Virgin that has problems with the extras ie Red button - its wasn`t me gov - is wearing thin

carlwaring 19-09-2012 16:33

Re: Virgin TV Behind the rest ?
 
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Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu (Post 35475879)
Hi Carlwaring, Just one question Is Ben a director of VM, as it states that he is a member of staff.

I have no idea and can't think why you would think I know more than you :confused:

As has (also) already been stated, though; he is about as 'official' as this board gets :)

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Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu (Post 35475879)
People have as much chance of getting a reply from VM management than Spurs have of winning the Premier League.

Lost on me as I don't follow football; but I get the jist ;)

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VM will not tell you anything
Have you actually asked them then?

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the CS is totally useless
To be fair, CS can only tell you what they're told.

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...and as for management, l have spoken with them on other problems that l have as a customer and you won't get get an answer.
Perhaps because they're too busy doing what they're paid for; which does not necessarily include talking to customers. (Hint: That's what 'customer services' are for. It's right there in the name!)

Itshim 19-09-2012 16:36

Re: Virgin TV Behind the rest ?
 
Please do not pick on Ben. I find he try`s to answer questions raised here,OK he sings from the Virgin song sheet, however I would expect no less.
Its a pity that he has to defend them so often & on the same sort of postings so often.

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Originally Posted by carlwaring (Post 35475909)
I have no idea and can't think why you would think I know more than you :confused:

As has (also) already been stated, though; he is about as 'official' as this board gets :)

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Lost on me as I don't follow football; but I get the jist ;)


Have you actually asked them then?
Yes had not had a reply in two years !!!


To be fair, CS can only tell you what they're told.
Mushroom management in that case


Perhaps because they're too busy doing what they're paid for; which does not necessarily include talking to customers. (Hint: That's what 'customer services' are for. It's right there in the name!)

see above


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