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a 'monitor' at a high school in the US was alerted to the school cafeteria after a 5 year old boy was found to be sprinkling marijuana on a pupils lasagna.

an investigation is underway as to how the boy obtained the substance, although it was noted the boy may have thought it was oregano......

in another case, a 4 year old took cocaine in to school to show fellow pupils claiming it was flour the estimated value was $10,000

source: cnn.com

http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/South/03/....ap/index.html

so, are the parents to blame ease of accessabilty to drugs to youngsters, or active encouragement to lead a life of drugs ?

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Absolutely. Parents should be held accountable for the actions of their minors.

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I blame the Teachers

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How can parents be help responible though.... If they so much as even shout at there kids they can be hauled into court...

The problem is lack of discipline !

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Agreed - to a point.

If the parents are using cannabis or cocaine for their own personal use (and I have no objection to this) they must ensure it is kept out of the reach of their children.

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I'd be more likely to believe there are five year old stoners out there than five year olds who know how to use oregano properly...

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I'm afraid I have a very serious objection to it. Parents using this stuff teaches kids that the Law is optional, no matter which locked cupboard they keep it in. Go and campaign for liberalised drug laws if you want, but teaching children they can disregard any rule they disagree with is deeply irresponsible.

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I am not suggesting that parents use these substances in front of or around
their children. Nor am I campaigning for anything I was just expressing my personal point of view.

The new generation of parents have grown up surrounded by "recreational" drugs. I not talking about about hardened heroin users or crack heads here but it is fact that every Friday and Saturday literally millions of people in there teens/twenties/thirties using ecstacy/Cannabis/cocaine.

And there are two choices for those of this group that are parents. Either stop using it - Preferable but unlikely.

Or if you want to continue using it ensure that you do it away from the children and keep the substances away from the children.

This is no different to
1) keeping the drinks cabinet locked
2) keeping the medicine cabinet locked
3) not smoking in front of kids.

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a drug is a drug, its not acceptable for me to see people smoke cannabis or marijuana, even if the argument is either of them provide pain relief its still a drug.

and yes i do believe if you are a drug addict you deserve to have your kids taken from you, drug addicts will proberbly still never learn, as long as they get there 'hit'

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You obviously have never known anyone with dibilatating, crippling diseases such as MS then.... You'd have a different view if you did. :(

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Caffeine is a drug. Do you drink tea or coffee and eat chocolate?

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Or take paracetamol?

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i was thinking more that chocolate is eaten for pleasure as is drinking tea and coffee

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None of which happens in any house I have ever been to.

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I understand where you're coming from. Sometimes a zero tolerance stance is a good one to take.

In my opinion though, not in this case. There are many drugs available out there - Some legal and some illegal.

who is putting the child at risk more, the weekend clubber who takes ecstacy for the evening and dances the night away, goes home and gets on with their life normally.

Or the parent that constantly smokes around their children?

I'm afraid that making a drug legal or illegal doesn't make it any better or worse for you.

Just because some drugs are socially acceptable and some aren't doesn't mean that being exposed to them at young age is ok or not.

How many of us were given shandy to drink by our parents!!! but no-one called them bad parents.

How many of us (I did) tried cigarettes at a young age because they were easy to get hold of.

As long as ALL drugs are kept out of the way of children then I don't think there is a problem. I am talking about "recreational drugs". Heroin/Crack is a different kettle of worms IMO.

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My Mother has rheumatoid arthritis as a result she takes daily cocktails of tablets, so our medicine cabinet was in the kitchen and always full of an assortment of drugs, remedies, vitamin tablets etc.
I grew up knowing the difference between the hard to open prescription medicine and the colourful haliborange vitamin tablets.

People also smoked in front of me and I never have. I think along as you make it clear that children are not to do certain things they usually don't.

These drugs in particular had no characteristics that a child is capable of recognising, perhaps the parents hid them with the general foods as an attempt to trick any police searches. Obviously this was very irresponsible.

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lets not get petty, chocolate is known to have health benefits, caffeine keeps you awake.............

i dont drink tea or coffee, and i rarely have chocolate but it (chocolate) does not change your mental state does it ?

i do know, i know its not easy to handle a situation with having a disease like that, bu cannabis and marijuana are drugs that affect

this link shows the dangers of cannabis

http://www.reachout.com.au/default.asp?ti=70

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true it doesent, but then again you need sense not to take them!!!!!!


no drug should be socially acceptable, not with me, why do you think the problems of abuse and drug related issues occur because people are too slack at keeping away from them and cave in to a situation where someone offers and they accept.

well IMO they are, socialising and taking drugs two very seperate things, you dont need to in induce alcohol to a young person or anyone because they 'want' it you need to put your foot down.

ill hold my hands up and admit when i was younger i did try one, but i was not aware of what it was, and ended up coughing and throwing it away........

but that was my own doing.........


i refuse to accept any drug such as cannabis cocaine etc to be legalised for medicinal purposes........

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Err, I suggest you do a little research into the drugs that are *already* used for medicinal purposes!

For example:

Morphine is an opiate (derived from the same source as heroin)

http://www.bartleby.com/59/22/morphine.html

Novacaine is chemically very similar to cocaine (but less toxic)

http://www.fas.org/news/reference/probert/E2.HTM

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I believe they also use MDMA and various amphetamines/barbiturates for medicinal reasons too.

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MDMA was/is used for the treatmant of depression. As it increases the levels of seratonin in the brain - The feel good chemical as used in prozac.

LSD was actually used in the earlier part of the last century as a potential cure for alcoholism

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that i didnt know, i do know what opium is but not that morphine was derived from it.

i dont take either lol

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:confused:

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According to kron**** this was an obvious answer, clearly it wasn't to him as he still managed to show a complete lack of knowledge of the subject at hand.

MOD EDIT: Removed ****! from above :nono:

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it is if you do research in to medicine which affects the brains seratonin, ofcourse building knowledge is apart of a suitable discussion instead of backbiting ?

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Hmmm! Can we keep the discussion on civilised lines please?Or the thread may be closed.

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Less toxic is the key here. You take a dangerous, impure drug and you do research to discover what parts of it are useful and what parts of it are not. Then you produce a refined version and, critically, you administer it under proper medical supervision. For example, research that is now going on with cannabis is attempting to isolate those parts of the overall product that have potential medical benefit from those that might cause you psychological damage.

This is all a world away from suggesting it is a good idea to allow people to administer themselves raw drugs for 'medicinal purposes'. Morphine is not heroin; novocaine is not cocaine.

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The jury is still out on that one, but there is evidence to suggest that having chocolate has the same neurochemical effect as smoking a spliff, albeit to a much lesser degree.

http://sulcus.berkeley.edu/mcb/165_0...ipts/_303.html

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Ohh so all those hangovers I get when I'm not drinking maybe chocolate related.Interesting :)

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i dont believe that, although i think chocolate can affect your body by the sugar it contains, if it did have addictive properties which affect your senses and ruin you internally it would affect many more people........

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kronas it is true.It's why us females turn to chocolate when our hearts are breaking.It's not good for the hips but great for the morale until we feel better.Better than any tranquillizer in my opinion.

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I know enough about seratonin/receptors/blocking after spending a long time researching fluo/peroxotine without taking a half arsed opinion about it from you. The reason you got the negative rep for me was rubbishing the fact that people with MS find Cannabis eases their pain, you then picked the first post I made in here to give a negative rep with what quite frankly was totally irrelevant (because both you and I know you know jack sh*t about it), it's difficult to believe there are actually people like you still about in this world, people who would rather condemn things they know nothing about, not only for themselves, but for those who do have a need for it.

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i didnt discount the fact that people have cravings because its chemically related, however i dont believe its the same as taking a drug like cocaine.......

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just to note some additional information.........

also i was going to type cocoa affects the body but i wasent sure untill i read this:

7 times more but weaker affect ?

http://panicdisorder.about.com/cs/sh.../chocolate.htm

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The specific part of the article that I linked to that caught my eye was to do with a different molecule, anandamide.

http://antoine.frostburg.edu/chem/se...andamide.shtml

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Just to pick up on a previous posting Heroin is in effect dia morphine.

Heroin is a powerful analgesic and narcotic and is a diacetyl derivative of morphine which is the most important alkaloid in opium and obtained from Poppies essentially.

Way back in the 19th century morphine was boiled with acetic anhydride and created dia-morphine. This then is more lipid soluble than Morphine and so delivers the drug across the blood brain barrier more quickly and efficiently.

Dia-morphine itself does not attach to the opiate receptors in the brain, it quickly breaks down to Morphine and other metabolites that do.

Hence why dia-morphine (Heroin) is given to terminally ill cancer patients as the short term effect are to reduce pain, to depress many nervous reactions.

Especially in the case for lung cancer sufferers as it suppresses the cough reflex and also suppresses appetite, libido, energy, circulation, and respiration.

The effect then gives the sufferer a peaceful ending from this world in the effect of a Heroin overdose whereby the cause of death will be by the respiration becoming so depressed it stops completely.

Morbid mode off but that unfortunately in some cases is how it is.

Now under no circumstances am I saying this makes Heroin or dia-morphine sociably acceptable but you have to realise that these kind of drugs have been used in these circumstances for years and with movement of modern medicines will no doubt continue to.

Heroin is addictive but in the case of a cancer patient who is terminal the long terms effects are not applicable.

:(

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where do we get off saying drugs are recreational i cant beleive it recreational to me is going to yhe park or the pictures

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where do we get off saying drugs are recreational i cant beleive it recreational to me is going to the park or the pictures

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where do we get off saying drugs are recreational i cant beleive it recreational to me is going to yhe park or the pictures

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Did you hiccup?

I SAY DID YOU HICCUP?

Got clickyitus I see. :D Or you are making a point?

You can delete the extra two postings if you get in under the 30 minute rule you know.

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slip of the mouse

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Where's Theodoric when you need him for a reasoned debate on "chemicals".

The problem is the effects illegal drugs have on peoples lives and health, paracetamol and caffeine don't (as far as I'm aware) cause social or health problems if taken in moderation :)

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Interesting reading about the chocolate posts. People I work with say I have a choc problem and laugh about it. I eat 6- 8 different choc bars a day and it makes me feel good. If I go a few hours with no choc I literaly get the shakes until I scoff a bar. Luckily I dont put an ounce of weight on so I`m not too worried but i know I shouldnt be eating that much.

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Interestingly they are alkaloids, like codeine and strychnine, all have similar functional groups (an amine group).

Another chemical you may have all tried at some point is quinine, found in tonic water, this is also chemically similar but doesn't affect your mental state. :erm:

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Just be careful about the amount of sugar you eat as it can cause diabetes, there are many people that have it and don't even know :(