What browser do you use?
 

As per title, im interested to see what browsers people use for surfing the internet. So what ones do you use and why? Ill start.

• Mozilla - Because of pop up blocker.
• IE - To use the MSN Gaming Zone.

WNA

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MYIE and IE :) Like the multiple tab feature of MyIE and the auto-refresh ;)

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IE 6 and FireFox 0.6

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Firefox
IE 6 - for special plugin sites

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I use mozilla firefox, i found IE was crashing all the time when i was opening mulitiple windows and getting to annoy!

mozilla is going great though! i like the download bar add-in and skins- nice touches

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Firefox is great! The skinning when using the Linux version is expecially nice because it uses the system (GTK) theme :)

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Mozilla 99% with IE6 only if I don't seem to get to the website via mozilla.. There are still some websites that don't work well in mozilla...

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IE6 and Opera for me :)

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IE5 & IE6

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I have IE6 and Firefox 0.8 on my laptop and IE6 on my other computers.

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Mozilla Firefox on both windows and mac os x.
I absolutly hate IE, if a site doesnt want to work in mozilla its not worth my time.

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IE6.x on Windows
Mozilla on Linux

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If a site fails to work in IE its not worth my time ;)

FYI the stats from images I post on NTHW show 76% IE6, 8.5% IE5 then 7% Netscape 6. :)

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Ie 6.x

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Hi
I use Mozilla Firefox and Opera
IE 6 as a last resort :angel: :)

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IE.. dont have any problems with it.. dont really want a foriegn browser on my machine any more.

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Mozilla Firefox, but use IE6 for those sites which don't work on Firefox.

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opera...and ie for the obvious!

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avantbrowser (tabbed interface).. i'm never going back to IE
firefox and opera for testing web-development

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IE6, because when tweaked, its fast, efficent, and has an excellent layout. :D

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Ie 5.01 Sp4

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Tweaked?

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firefox execpt for those sites that wont work with it then i use i.e

like my forum due to the game on it. :(

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yep, opening up more connections per page etc

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Please elaborate.... :)

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Whats the diference between firefox and opera please?

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well i do it to improve web page browsing mostly..... then to allow IE to do more then the limited 4 (i think) downloads window limit in IE6 you can adjust it to more downloads... also you can priortize DNS and other internet settings in the registry, so webpages do load faster and dont 'hang' as they did on default settings...........

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Everyone else who uses a good, secure, stable, feature-packed and standards compliant browser can type "about:config" (without the underscore) into the location bar to access hundreds of settings. ;)

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I also use IE 6 and have no desire for a foreign browser on my computer. I also changed the number of connections that IE use to something like 1000. It will therefore use up to 1000 concurrent connections to open a website... Pictures load REALLY fast now. I see no need to use any other browser.

I use Proxomitron proxy server as a filter. It removes all banners, ads, crap scripts, popups, and it deactivates sneaky things such as preventing clicking of the right mouse button etc.

Combining it with IE I really see no need for other browsers.

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IE 6 on my home rig and thunderhawk on my mobile ( mpx200 ) still gotta tweak some settings, you know , fool about a bit and see if I can get a bit more :)

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Im starting to wonder what people mean by forgien browser?:dozey:

And on another point is there anyway of getting rid of IE from a windows machine?

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Nope, it's part of the OS.

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In theory you can remove it from Windows XP - I have never tried it.

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What's the point of removing IE from XP?

It's more effort that its worth - just leave it as it is!

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Try removing it from the Add/Remove programs menu but click on "Add/Remove Windows Components". ;)

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Thanks for the negative rep again. And no, I have no desire for a foreign browser on my computer. I develop web applications and I couldn't care how they look on any browser other than IE 6, because IE 6 is what my clients use and is one of the requirements that I put down.

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and what about all those people who dont use windows HUH.



I.e sucks no tabbed browsing, no popup blocking (cept the xpsp2 one).

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I use IE6, I tried Firefox but didn`t really get on with it. I suppose it`s down to the fact that i`m used to uncle Bill`s browser. I know just where all the buttons are.

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What about them? IE isnt installed anyway if they're using Linux or like, they can use whatever they want:)


Like you said, XP Service pack 2, deals with this issue... I've tried Mozilla, Tried opera.. tried Firefox, and found IE the best. Even using SP1, Whats the point in installing a compltely new browser when you can just use Google Blocker, or Like to stop Ad's? Your decision at the end of the day, no need to be nasty about it

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firefox is ace
I can't go back to IE its awful

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I agree, at the end of the day it comes down to a personal choice. I love Firefox, but I do also like many aspects of I.E, it renders pages nice and fast and the layout of the controls is good. I.E is no longer an option for me though, unless I want to spend my time rebooting my p.c into Windows.

So I don't have a problem with IE per se, but I do have issues with the philosophy behind it...that is to take an existing open standard and pervert it so that any sites developed for it won't work in other browsers. The W3C standard is out there, along with many related standards such as ECMAscript for Javascript, so there is simply no excuse for developers writing for one browser only (on the internet, intranets are different). It's just sloppiness on the part of the developers and they do themselves and their visitors a disservice by working in IE only. Okay, rant over, had better stop before I get onto Microsoft's perversion of Java :)

BTW, anybody else use Lynx (or Links), it's great for reading books online.

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Nothing

In your opinion...

I couldn't care.

Again, I don't care, because I use a proxy program that filters all banners, ads, and popups (and also other crap).

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Great. A developer that tells me, the customer, how I want to work. Remind me not to put any business your way ... ;)

I use IE 5.5sp2 t work 'cos it's the corporate standard although should be moving to IE6 shortly to allow me to upgrade to the latest release of the CMS we use with our corporate website. At home I have Safari for MacOS 10.2, and IE 5/mac just 'cos it's there and I can't be bothered getting rid of it. Rarely if ever use it for anything tho; Safari really showed up how slow and generally pants it is.

No it isn't; M$ got taken to court over this issue when they started claiming IE was part of Windoze 95. It took a few minutes for a couple of techies to demonstrate that IE could be unbundled from the OS. IIRC M$ is prohibited from making IE part of Windows itself, although that doesn't stop them integrating it pretty tightly, more's the pity.

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OSX - Safari, and then occasionally IE if it doesn't work in Safari, but that rarely happens now.

And in WinXp - Firefox 0.8 and IE for same reason as above

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As a developer it shouldnt matter what browser you or your customers use, developers "develop" they then pass it all on to a designer to worry about cross browser design issues. Personally I do both and much prefer the development side, a lot less hassle. As for developers telling customers what they have to use, that might well work overseas but over here customers are a little more set in their ways and expect their site's/code to work not only in their browser but in every other browser known to man.

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Yes, you got me thinking and I am definately seeing fewer 'best viewed in IE' or 'IE only' messages on websites, this can only be a good thing.

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IMHO developers who insist their users have a particular browser, even if a popular one, are being very short sited. These days, the web is finding its way into more and more appliances that are not, on the face of it, 'computers', for example, webcams and fridges. Internet TVs have come and gone but, no doubt, will be back again. Using some proprietary extensions to HTML simply extends Microsoft's power further into these markets. Please don't do it!

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It isn't an integral part of the OS?
You sure about that?

OK, XP users - right click on any icon in your Quick Launch next to the Start button, go to Properties then go to the General tab.
See the path?
Not part of the OS eh? :dozey:

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I have been using Firefox 0.8 until recently, but since they disabled cut/copy and paste in the vbulletin WYSIWYG editor and also certain things do not appear in the admin control panel for vbulletin, I have ditched it and gone back to IE6.

Even though I do love the tabbed browsing, which I now miss.

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Uh? M$ can arrange its folders any way you like, Windoze has been proven in court to work perfectly well with IE completely removed. As such, it might very well be tightly integrated with the OS (which is all your example actually proves) but it is not part of the OS itself.

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Pop a shortcut in the path that richard suggests and you will get an icon on your 'quicklaunch' toolbar. This usually appears at the bottom of your desktop and has nothing to do with IE. So why the curous directory name?

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Hmm... i get that as well. It only works for web addresses

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I am sure somebody will correct me if I am wrong, but AFAIK if you remove the whole of IE (which ,under the hood, is actually a lot more than just the browser) you cripple Windows' ability to use TCP/IP. This is why what is actually installed when you install IE for windows, depends on your OS..

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Yeah, plus mshtml.dll* is used by Outlook, Outlook Express, Office, Windows Help and probably a lot more.
Ever wonder why an IE vuln nearly always applies to Outlook etc as well?
I can even remember editing .htt files for to determine the display of directories back in Win98 and thinking "WTF? Javascript and HTML?"

Scary stuff, I prefer my browser to be "sandboxed" like Java and Gecko are.

* The rendering "engine" behind IE.

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Opera 6.2 on my P800
Opera 7 and IE 6 on my work and home pcs.
Safari (don't know the version) on my work Mac.

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Sounds like something they missed out by accident rather than deliberately removed, do a bugzilla report on it and hopefully you'll see it back in 0.9 (or a nightly).

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Poolking: I've been using FF 0.8 here for ages, there is nothing missing from the Admin CP and I can copy and paste as much as I want.

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Nevertheless, these guys: www.litepc.com are selling an app that allows you to completely remove the parts of Windows you don't want, including IE.

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/local/2004/03/2.gif

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If you miss "Tabbed Browsing" so much why not install one of the following;

Crazy Browser (small and light)
http://www.crazybrowser.com

or

Avant Browser (includes mouse gestures)
http://www.avantbrowser.com/

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Then don't come to me for business. :) I do not specialize in writing software for minority markets. I don't write software for Mac or Linux. I just can't be bothered to. My business focus on Windows and IE6.

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I find that very disturbing and against everything the W3C is trying to achieve.

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I really couldn't care what they say. They don't have any right to tell me how I should run my company. I founded my company with the intent on delivering quality applications for Windows (32-bit applications), or Internet Explorer 6 (when I'm writing web applications). At this point, I have more than enough business to keep me busy for a while. I may want to expand later, but I serious doubt that. I'm not about to go into a minority market. I am targetting the majority, not a minority (mostly geeks who hate Microsoft and think its l33t to fiddle with Unix).

If W3C or Mozilla or Opera or Mac or Linux wants me to develop for them, they need to give me a very, very good reason to do so, and at this point a minority market is a big negative rap on the sheet.

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Oh well jerrek..... It proves everthing i thought about you.

I know i shouldnt have said about IE being crap and all... but it still isnt very standards friendly.
And any browser i use has to be. Whitch is why i use FF

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I didn't mean for this thread to be an argument all of a sudden i meant it to state what browsers people use and why

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This is :notopic: but just out of personal interest, but what kind of apps do you produce and what languages do you tend to use?

For monetary purposes sure, it's a far bigger market with MS, for my (academic) development purposes it's easier for me to use a *nix environment...horses for courses.

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You're coming across as someone who is more incapable of cross coding, not unwilling.

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Fascinating Bifta that you know so much about by coding skills.

philip:

For Win32 applications, I have Delphi 7 Enterprise. Best development suite ever.

For web applications, I use php or asp depending on the client's choice as a scripting language, Java for UNIX executables, and Delphi for IIS ISAPI DLLs.

I don't write applications for UNIX (gnome or kde or other xcrap), and I don't care to design web pages for Opera/Firefox/Mozilla/other browsers. It is not my business at the moment.

As to what kind of applications? Past projects include directional drilling mapping software to provide directional drill operators to map, in 3D, the path they want to drill, and to provide them with azimuth, force, angle, and other settings. [Technical specifications given to me by the client. I didn't know anything about directional drilling until then.]

Current project is a point of sale system for restaurants, because the current stuff on the market is complete crap. And they are selling this 4-hour VB-made crap for $5,000 a piece. I can do better than that and cheaper. I already have a client that owns a restaurant chain helping me out. My plan is to sell it, and then pay 15% of the price to each person that manages to convince a restaurant to use my software. Release date is summer 2005. This will be my first commercially published software product, and I'm hoping this will make my company boom a bit.

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Another member of the minority here. Firefox is used all the time except for the odd site or two that seem to be written for IE only. When these crop up, there's a useful Firefox extension that puts an option into the right click menu called. 'View this page in IE'. It will even open a link in IE if you know in advance that it's an IE only site.

I suppose alternative Browsers will always be in the minority but a significant number of people throughout the world do prefer to use them. This number may be small percentage-wise but must still run into millions. Looking at it that way, this is quite a market to disregard.

I think if I ran a commercial site, or any sort that I wanted to be popular, I'd certainly require it to be cross-browser friendly. I have read a few opinions here and there on the Internet of people saying they just won't go back to a site that doesn't work properly with their preferred browser. Some people feel quite strongly about the issue. Not being cross-browser friendly could even mean a loss of business for companies that don't cater for the minority. I'd say any possibility of that happening would be something to care about.

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People, if Jerrek wants to develop for a certain browser/platform combination (and risk having his apps stop working if people stop using that browser as happened with Netscape), that is up to him.

Surely the pressure should be on Microsoft to bring IE closer to the w3c standards?

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Very true. And not so long ago we rejected a potential supplier because in our perception they were in bed with M$ and not sufficiently committed to developing fully standards-compliant web-enabled apps. That means they missed out on about £20,000 worth of business. As an international company (and a major plc) we simply can't afford to have a web presence that sections of our audience might not be able to access. It's not our job to tell them which browser to use (I loathe splash screens with 'optimised for XXX' or 'works only with xxx').

If enough purchasers of software solutions become aware of the issues, and the advantages of designing according to standards to reach a maximum audience, then maybe the pressure will mount on M$.

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Yep, I know about that product.

I also know that if you remove IE (the whole thing, not just the browser interface, which is AFAIK what litexp does), then you will cripple Windows networking, and stop windows being able to run other apps, such as Outlook and Windows help.

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All true. Also, in some major industries (the Oil Exploration industry being one I know of) use of Microsoft stuff is severely frowned upon for various reasons (security and scalability being two). Anyone who doesn't develop to standards is missing out on some potentially huge customers.

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I think what we're coming up against here, in that case, is the question, where does the browser end and the OS begin? A computer needs TCP/IP and other networking protocols in order to connect to the internet, and od other stuff, but it only needs a browser interface if it wants to access the www (a simplification I know, but you get the idea). There was an internet before there were web browsers.

So, is that part of Windows that deals with TCP/IP etc really part of Internet Explorer, simply because Microsoft says that it is? I suggest the answer is 'no', because there is ample evidence from other operating systems that there is no necessary link between your web browser and the inclusion of TCP/IP protocols in the OS.

When you set about removing IE from Windows, you can just remove the browser inteface, or you can go wild and delete anything with the name 'IE' on it from the entrie OS. If you do that, as you say, you're in trouble. But this is not a technical problem - it's a conundrum created by Microsoft's marketing department. They would have you believe that IE is part of Windows simply because they choose to brand the bits that deal with TCP/IP etc as 'Internet Explorer'. A classic case of smoke and mirrors.

If you can remove the browser interface - as you clearly can - then you have achieved exactly what Netscape and others long argued for, which is the possibility of a rival browser supplier gaining exclusivity on the desktop (ironically, exactly the same argument is behing the current spat with the EU over Windoze Media Player). And, with the browser interface gone, surely it becomes irrelevant that M$ chooses to 'brand' that part of Windows that deals with networking as 'Internet Explorer', or locates it in folders with that name?

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I do agree with you actually. I was being very picky.

I think MS bundled the TCP/IP stuff in with IE because at the time it was originally specified (IE this is), Windows didn't use TCP/IP for networking by default, so the rest of the Windows OS wouldn't have much use for TCP/IP (and remember, Microsoft at that time thought that the Internet wasn't really worth bothering about). Obviously, that is not the case now.

I actually think that TCP/IP is as much part of the OS as the functions used to write to disk.

On a related note, While I do not think that Microsoft should be forced to remove IE, I do think that they should be forced to include other browsers (in a similar way to Mac OSX including IE and Safari), and allow users to choose which browser they use.

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I find it laughable that you say that you don't write apps for Unix/Linux and don't support the open standards of the web when you code in PHP, a language born on Linux, which is open source and is designed to coexist with the latest in web standards such as XML and XHTML.
The language you're using is a total contradiction to what you have been saying in this thread.
IE's standards support hasn't been updated since 2001.
That makes your work three years out of date.

Also, CSS2 has been a W3C standard for 6 years and IE doesn't have a clue.
It's great viewing what CSS can really do in a compliant browser, like the links below:
http://www.meyerweb.com/eric/css/edg...al/glassy.html
http://www.meyerweb.com/eric/css/
http://www.meyerweb.com/eric/css/edge/
http://www.meyerweb.com/eric/css/tests/css2/

EDIT: Actually, I've had enough of that browser, I'm going to start serving up my pages with no style at all to IE and a message explaining why.
At least then I'll be able to concentrate on making my site look good. :)

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I don't write apps for Unix and Linux because there is no market. You will not get growth for a startup company by aiming at a small minority market. Business 101.


Who cares? I couldn't care...

And its impossible to make a site look good in IE? Wise up sir.

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jerrek did you read the link in his post: http://www.richardm.co.uk/blog/archives/000004.html

It was IE that was having the problem.

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No market?

I'm sorry, what I should have said was:
It's not just me who thinks this:
http://www.meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2003c.html
http://www.zeldman.com/daily/0603a.shtml#luxury
http://www.meyerweb.com/eric/thought...html#t20020402

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So? It proves my point. I'm developing for IE, not for a small minority.

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Sir, I feel compelled to point out that you're ignoring what I'm writing. What does web server architecture have to do with user applications? 99.999% of people that will be using my software will be running a Microsoft operating system. If I develop using C++ in Linux, then my software will not run on Windows. Hence, I loose 99.999% of my market. The other option is to spend double the development time to code for both systems. Of course, my rate of return will not be double.

So no, I'm sorry, there is no way that I'm developing user applications for Linux or UNIX at this time. End of discussion.

Some food for thought: How many of my restaurant point-of-sale systems do you think will I sell if the application requires Linux to run? None. I'd bet all of them would want to be able to run Microsoft Office on the same computer.

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WTF???

Read it FFS.
It says he has written perfect code, but because of IEs "features" IE wont render the page properly.

Oh and stop saying minority. Remember your in a minority here, being the only american on a british board.

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:erm: We were talking about web apps a few posts back...

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Any need for that IC :rolleyes:

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I really couldn't give a damn what other people think of IE. The fact of the matter is, the vast majority of people run IE. You don't ****ing go out there and develop for a minority market if you're running a startup business. GET IT STRAIGHT. I'm getting sick and tired of this crap. I'm NOT ****ING CATERING to the minority market of geeks who run Linux with their toy browsers they see as the next best thing since sliced bread. IE may not be the best. I couldn't give a damn whether it is or isn't. I'll leave that to the geeks to argue over. What is important is what the market wants, AND THAT IS WHAT I'M AFTER. :rolleyes:

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What? Hes goinf on about minorities, im just saying that he is in one too.

sheesh steve. You really have something againset me [img]Download Failed (1)[/img]

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Jerrek, calm down or something will happen. Im no ttrying to rile you or anything, im just saying calm down.

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Very mature argument Jerrek.

What W3C standards Microsoft thinks that IE adheres to is anyones guess.

What shows "correctly" in IE doesn't necessarily mean it conforms to the standards.

With IE you can get away with sloppy HTML coding.

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Can we not turn this thread into an argument please!!!!

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Jerrek is right by the way, IE is the main broswer so it should be the primany concern to him.

Also the USA link is nothing really theres not to much diffrance between him and 'us' the british not that i see how it compares to users using IE or not

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Not causing an argument, just stating a fact, its just that Jerrek should be more mature in his response to others that question him.

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But does this excuse his immature response because members have questioned him?

Sorry to just focus narrowly on one thing, but someone who cannot debate with out resorting to swearing and having a "tantrum" should not be listened to until they have calmed down and regained their composure.

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Hehe, people getting so passionate over browsers. :D
There's nothing wrong with a heated discussion sometimes, no need to swear though.

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its the final sign of becoming a uber-geek. The sign of geekdom

Fancy having a fight over browsers! :dozey: :pp

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Jerrek, you appear to be getting confused between browsers and operating systems. No-one is talking about writing for Unix as such, we're talking about writing code that produces good pages in web browsers. If you consider just Windows for a moment, yes IE is still the dominant browser but there are plenty of others. When you take all OSes and all browsers between them, I don't imagine IE's dominance is quite so crushing. Not yet anyway.

A key issue I face is that we have to distribute financial information. If we want to do it on the web, then we have to ensure we do it in a way that doesn't disbar anyone. To deny someone access to that sort of information by knowingly designing the page to work with only certain web browsers would be legally dubious in the extreme. We need a standards based approach to our web development.

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No, I was commeting on the point not his manner, really its not for me to say agure the point but never the tone in forums or problems start

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Towny, no, I originally stated

For web applications, I use php or asp depending on the client's choice as a scripting language, Java for UNIX executables, and Delphi for IIS ISAPI DLLs. I don't write applications for UNIX (gnome or kde or other xcrap), and I don't care to design web pages for Opera/Firefox/Mozilla/other browsers. It is not my business at the moment.

I made the distinction over there. Then, Richard M came

I find it laughable that you say that you don't write apps for Unix/Linux and don't support the open standards of the web when you code in PHP, a language born on Linux, which is open source and is designed to coexist with the latest in web standards such as XML and XHTML.

This is what I don't understand. I'm not writing apps for Unix because there is no market. All applications I write is for Windows 32-bit. I don't even code for 64-bit Windows. Target market for apps: Win32

As to web services, I write in ASP or PHP or even perl when required. It has nothing to do with the server OS because you can run any of these on any operating system. The target market then shifts to a browser-based market. In this case, I code and optimize for IE. If it works in other browsers, great. It not, tough. Target market for web services: Internet Explorer (on UNIX or Windows)

For your first point, I beg to differ. Regarding your second point, well, until the market shifts, or until my business is profitable enough to persue a minority market, I do not care for other browsers out there.

And I really don't care what the standard is. Let the geeks fight it out. All I'm interested in is developing for the majority market so my business can grow.


As for my response, I had plenty of good-natured responses, but there is a time when my patience ran out. I apologize if I offended anyone.

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Less of this rubbish, matter over with,

Now lets all go out for frosty chocolate milkshakes

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