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porn directer james dorigio has teamed up with evangelists to promote the message to parents that sex stunts growth to put kids off, and to educate people about keeping there 'filth' away out of the reach of children.

source: usatoday

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/...director_x.htm

how prudish can you get, if you are old enough, you should have precautionary sexual activity, by this i mean the allowence to jerk off on porn...........prudes..... :pp

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my view is if people produce it through free choice and people us it through free choice and its not pressured onto those who dont want it or shouldnt have it then whats the big issue.

Kids it is not for, so not sure what point your trying to make Kronas

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porn and sex addiction are very real.. and can damage relationships/marriages.. i don't know many guys (including me) who haven't had to battle with it to a greater or lesser extent.

i'm no prude in the sense that.. i'm open about sex as a subject for discussion and education.. but on a moral level there is a huge amount that worries me about how our society treats this issue especially with children

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I suppose lots of us have done it - found their parents stash of pron, I mean, I did, when publicly available pron was American mags with 'racy' stories & line drawings - and Health & efficiency' :blush:

But the stuff available now is beyond that and is definitely not for kids - if a guy making pron is prepared to speak out to make that statement, then that can only be a good thing.

- @Kronas, I'm minded of a line in 'Buffy', where Zander is asked something along the lines of 'did that make you feel horny', he answered something like 'I'm 17 - looking at lino, makes me feel horny'. So, while not denying our youth a 'release', they can start with 'raunchy' shots of their favourite film/pop/tv stars. :)

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Pornography \ sex has been around for centurys, it is only due to "recent" technology thatit is freely available to the wholesale public, it is this, and not the subject itself that is having an abject \ adverse reaction on the populus IMHO that is. If the Eygptians \ Romans could have it and still maintain two of historys most advanced civilisations then you have to look at OUR lifestyle to account for the blame

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good point - you are just an philisophical old bopdude :)

- India too with some of the temple carvings;)

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Yes, our "I want it right now and don't care what I have to do to get it" lifestyle.

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Cheers mate, common sense prevails???

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that is a very bitter comment, Russ, unfortunately I think there is some truth in it. :disturbd:

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So can alcohol addiction, drug addiction, nicotine addiction and any other addiction, however just because you drink doesn't mean you'll become addicted to alcohol and just because you like porn doesn't mean you'll become addicted to that either.

I have never had to "battle with it", nor do I think I ever will have, yet surely I'm the one who is *most* likely to be "corrupted" by it!!!

I agree, that worries me too, but from a totally different point of view.

Our society is becoming more and more inclined to the attitude that children are like fine china, to be wrapped in cotton wool, to be taken great care of, to not be let out of our sight or arms' reach lest they become "damaged" by that big *nasty* world that's out there...

However this is a totally *artificial* attitude. For much of mankind's existance, and, indeed, in much of the world today, children live and sleep in the same room as their parents, and that means they're there when sex happens.

They're also there when their siblings are born, they're there when people die, yet, amazingly, they manage to survive these "traumas" that would have any self-respecting western child in therapy!

This idea that, somehow, children need to be "protected" from sex is ludicrous, but we have allowed ourselves to be so scared by our own "moral attitudes" that we can't even think about them in a rational way any more.

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And so did I, when I was about 11 and looking for my Xmas presents in dad's wardrobe. Somehow I survived...!

The thing is, this attitude that "it's not for kids" is often a sign of embarassment on the part of *adults*.

If it's *really* "not for kids" (in the literal, rather than figurative sense) then kids simply won't be *interested* in it, just as I found some adult (as in "grown up" ie not sexually explicit) books in the book case that I didn't have any interest in reading.

What "not for kids" has come to mean, however, is that "this is stuff that parents would be embarassed to try to explain to their children", but that's a failing on the part of the parents IMO.

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well im quite suprised a number of people actually dont mind that children can view pornography, sex is quite natural, and i do agree with grahams comments about 'children being wrapped up in cotton wool'

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I see what graham is saying and I agree to some extent....

Half the problem with life ATM is that we do wrap our kids in cotton wool.. We all learn by our mistakes and we will allways make mistakes... Thats life !!!

The important thing is to learn by the mistakes and not to do it again !!!

We have all been told by our parents " dont do this & dont do that but do we realy listen ? NO "

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yes, thats the typical rebellious time of our lives where we 'think' we know whats best, i believe a degree of freedom and self thought doesent harm anyone, i guess it would depend on you...............or your prudish parents :pp

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Sex in the home! Depends just what that is.As Graham says many of the worlds population of children are used to the idea of sex between adults(though some are more than familiar of sex between adults and children sadly)and live daily with the idea that sex is part of life.Even your teenagers will be aware that it must have taken place at one point for them to be around for you as a parent to embarrass with the icky idea that their parents may STILL be having sex. ;) The natural sexual act between adults who actually love one another is hardly something children need protecting from.

What concerns me is the sex education children get.Most parents won't /don't talk about issues that they SHOULD address because there are issues that are not taught in school.Give a child a good sex education backed up by sensible intervention from parents and I can't see anyone being damaged by seeing anyone having sex.I've seen no discussion about porn and the porn industry taking place in school and I very much doubt that it is discussed in many homes.

I'm MORE concerned by children/teenagers watching/seeing porn in a vacuum without anyone to point out the dangers of say seeing a man or a woman purely as a sexual object rather than a living breathing human being.There is the issue of violence and sex that I think needs to be handled and discussed with teenagers.Sexuality is another issue that hardly ever gets a reasoned discussion with teenagers.

Incog.

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Yep, I see a lot of sense in there also :Yes:
Unfortunatly it's a sign of the times, it's no longer safe to let your kids wander at will, ok this problem isn't brand new but it is out of control

As long as we do learn by them and don't just dissmiss them to make the same mistakes over and over.

:Yes: it is these points that are the building blocks of life, to an extent, just as long as there are filters to block some of todays nastys being cramned down your throat

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Whether pornography corrupts the mind or not depends to some extent on your interpretation of the word 'pornography'.

In the early days 'pornography' used to contain pictures of attractive, well-endowed,fit naked women in raunchy,flirty poses. There was something artistic about them. It was a ''naughty but nice' situation, because, as has been said earlier, sex and an interest in the opposite sex is quite normal.

The problem today is that the relative innocent 'raunchy' poses of the past have been replaced by images containing naked women in acts of fellatio and cunnilingus. Though adults know, as the Kama Sutra and experience tells us, that there are a variety of sexual positions for almost any occasion,I think that a child or a grandparent today would find such things to be repulsive, dirty and perhaps even frightening. Hardly,the best mindset.

Pornography of that kind may also perhaps induce the wrong mindset into normal sexual relations. Intercourse is for example different from rape.

Though the flirtatious 'porn' of the past was fun and instrumental in raising libido and generating arousal, today's porn does have a repulsive and corrupting aspect to it.

Like most things in life, there needs to be a balance and everything needs to be taken in moderation. So for most guys at least the Page 3 girl is here to stay.

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Children need to be let of the leash and to make their own mistakes, otherwise they won't be very useful adults (unless you like the country being run by a bunch of timid, mollycoddled sheep).

Porn has been around as long as genitals - if our children were Ancient Greek and pretty they'd be in danger of being buggered by philosophers who thought they were acting perfectly reasonably by the laws of their society. Suddenly a quick skim through the Joy of Sex doesn't seem so bad.

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"Pornography is whatever gets the Judge turned on..."

Sorry, which "early days" are you talking about?!

The *real* early days are those of the ancient Greeks, the word derives from "Graphos" (writing) and "Porne" which dictionaries tend to translate as "harlots" but the Porne were actually a class of temple courtesan and the point of their writings was, unsurprisingly, to stimulate sexual excitement.

You then have, for instance, the frecos at Pompeii, Indian temple carvings, Japanese Brushwood Scrolls and many more besides, which have varying degrees of explictness but often show sexual acts in graphic detail.

Moving up to the late 19th, early 20th century and the invention of photography, quite unsurprisingly, very soon people were using this new medium to take pictures of young ladies (and men) without clothes on and often in graphic poses/ acts (ditto when moving pictures came along).

At which point those who take it upon themselves to "guard our morals" decided that this was quite enough (and it would corrupt the "lower classes", but they, of course, were immune, so they could look at it without worry) and started coming up with "Obscene Publications Acts" etc or silly things like the US "Hayes Code" for what you could show in a movie.

Slowly (very slowly in some cases), however, common sense has prevailed and, incredibly, it appears that, despite porn being more available and more graphic (if that's your thing) society has *not* collapsed into an utter sink of depravity.

The thing is, what you describe above as "attractive, well-endowed,fit naked women in raunchy,flirty poses" has *not* disappeared, it's just not called Pornography any more. You can go into reputable bookshops and buy works by people like Helmut Newton, Eric Kroll and others which show exactly that sort of thing without even making the girl at the counter blush or giggle.

As to what your children or grandparents would think, well the child might react by going "eww!" but I don't really think it would be so traumatic or frightening for them and you would be surprised (I know, because I was!) to find that actually some grandparents know a *lot* more about sex than you would give them credit for!!

I am *very slowly* counting to ten at this point... :mad:

Do *NOT* make the mistake of considering that what *you* consider to be "normal sex" is anything more than your own opinion.

Most certainly *DO NOT* try to imply connections between pornography and rape because that "connection" has been demonstrated to be fallacious time and time again!

If you don't like it, don't look at it. But *DON'T* say that *OTHERS* will be "corrupted" by it just because you don't like it! That was the argument that was forced on us for a century and it was as wrong then as it is now!

And I won't disagree. But, once again, do not make the mistake of thinking that what works for *you* should work for *everyone*.

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I don't disagree with that, in the main, Graham, but there is stuff 'out there' that I find objectionable and that I would not want 'kids' to see. Ok I'm projecting my own concept of where lines should be drawn, I admit, but I would fail to be able to explain how watching sodomy, for example, is a 'turn on' as I don't find it so myself.

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So just explain that it's something that some people like to do because they enjoy it.

Just don't say or imply that, becase you don't like it, it's "wrong".

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yes, good point, I wasn't saying sodomy was 'wrong', just I don't get turned on by watching it. Also sodomy was just one example, there are several other 'practices' I find too obscene to watch comfortably (apologies for not expanding on this but I'm not sure if it is appropriate to mention them in the forum). My point being that while I don't disagree with 'laissez faire', I do feel that there is a line to be drawn when it comes to kids, admittedly on the basis that if I am not comfortable with it, I would rather they were a bit older before making their own minds up.

So I agree that we shouldn't 'wrap kids in cotton wool', but I'm not 100% sure that chucking them in the deep end is the best way to get them to learn to swim:)

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I don't believe that anyone is saying that homealone.I think we all think that some protection is required.I think we are just disagreeing where to 'draw' the line.

Incog.

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The family of the murdered teacher in Brighton are trying to get images of violent sex banned from the internet, cuz they believe it was a major factor in their daughters murder.

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in a related story :td:

Pee-wee TV star admits obscenity

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discussing where to 'draw the line' ;)

Thanks Incog :tu:

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Fair enough, that's your choice.

Fine, you don't like watching them, so don't!

In the hope that *someone else* will deal with the awkward questions so you don't have to...??

No, but *not* teaching them how to swim in the expectation that they won't go near the water and fall in is a little wishful...!

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The name "Canute" springs to mind...

(Ok, yes, I know that actually Canute was trying to show he *wasn't* all powerful etc, but "everyone knows" what I mean! :) )

Oh, and that family have *no idea* what they're talking about either, but they're sure to cause problems for others :(

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I've decided to tag this on here rather than create a new thread since it's apposite to the discussion already under way:

Well all I can say is hoo-bloody-ray and about damn time too!

The current laws are a nonsense and an embarassment. 16 year olds (and a lot younger kids) can easily access porn anyway and to have a situation where someone can a) have sex and b) pose for nude photos but *cannot* legally *see* the results for two years is utterly ridiculous.

I hope that they will also endeavour to ensure that sex education for children is improved to teach them about the importance of relationships and respect as well as sex and contraception which, I believe, will bring down our shamefully high level of teenage pregancy.

Also the laws on sex shops are aimed at trying to get rid of "sleazy back street shop" or, at least, milk them for huge "licence fees" (anything between £4,000 and £20,000 !!) yet the success of shops like Ann Summers and shows like Erotica (last year's show at London Olympia had over 70,000 visitors!) demonstrate that there is most certainly a demand for adults to be able to see and purchase adult material and toys and preferably in an open and welcoming environment, rather than a shop with blacked out windows.

I'm sure that some right-wing people will already be ranting into their Ovaltine claiming that this will corrupt our morals and cause society to descend into a sink of moral depravity, but IMO they should leave their attitudes back in the 19th century where they belong and join the rest of us in the 21st.

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Maybe they are (whether consciously or not) looking for something to blame for their daughter's murder. It is natural for people, when faced with the death of a loved one to look for someone or something to blame.

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Exactly, and since the internet and pornography and "violent web sites" are the current hot topic, they make an easy target.

It reminds me a lot of the Anti-Dungeons and Dragons campaigns of the late '70s and early '80s where D&D etc were blamed for children committing suicide.

The fact that they may have had a disfunctional family life or problems at school or just split up from a girlfriend etc etc obviously had *NO* bearing on the matter...

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ok im replying to this........

yep i totally agree with you, here is some commentary on the debate......

amusing quote

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/3553583.stm

:rolleyes:

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Alas "amusing" is not the word I'd choose to use... :(

It's also complete balderdash, as are her subsequent comments:

"These are the people you will find on your pornographic videos ... what choice do they have?" she asked.

If she'd been watching Sky One etc recently, she would have seen documentaries about people who *willingly* work in the porn industry, who are not abused, violated, denigrated or forced into it.

I know plenty of people who work in various areas of the sex industry and *all* of them are doing it because that's what they *want* to do. To characterise the entire industry in this way is ludicrous.

She went on: "I thought we believed in protecting the rights and the dignity of all human beings!"

Now this I can *entirely* agree with! Nobody should be forced into working in the sex industry. However she doesn't seem to realise that "protecting the rights" *INCLUDES* them having the *right* to perform in porn films etc if they want!

I think Martin should do a little more research because porn is *ALREADY* making its way around schools as a recent documentary demonstrated!

The point is, once again, to educate children so they understand that sex is not the be-all and end-all of a relationship.

One final point, I wonder what opinion Jackie Storer, of the BBC News Online political staff, has about the matter? Let's look at her closing statement:

"Bracing, but fresh, Southport air"? Could it be she's implying that the whole discussion was so nasty that people had to get away from it?

If so, *why* did they wait until the *end* rather than walking out early and only coming back for the vote...???