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iain_herts 07-03-2004 11:18

AMD2400+ cpu temp
 
hi all i wonder if any1 can help me out i have had a AMDXp 2400+ CPU. For a while before i have a new mobo put it the cpu temp was something like 20'c but since then i have had 2 new mobo's put in and now the cpu runs at 43.5'c is this right or is it to hot i am thinking of getting a new cpu heatsing with fan.

I was thinking of getting this one COOLERMASTER JET 7 AMD BLOWER COOLER but it says Application for AMD 3200+ and higher would this work on my AMDXp 2400+CPU THANKS FOR ANY HELP

IAIN

Stuartbe 07-03-2004 11:19

Re: AMD2400+ cpu temp
 
Thats a little hot for that cpu... Did you use the existing cooler when you changed the board. It could be that some of the compound was damaged when you removed it.

Steve H 07-03-2004 11:20

Re: AMD2400+ cpu temp
 
That temps fine mate, my 2000 runs at about 45 idle, and 50 load.. dont worry about it.

Stuartbe 07-03-2004 11:21

Re: AMD2400+ cpu temp
 
Is it a barton athlon ?

Have a look at this page - http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/...4_3748,00.html

Find the version of your chip and look up the temp. It does sound a bit hot to me !

iain_herts 07-03-2004 11:25

Re: AMD2400+ cpu temp
 
No just a plain amdxp 2400+ and im not to sure about the compund i built the pc at college and we had some problems with the mobo first 1 i blowed up and the seconed they change it for a new make and modle which i am glad they did its alot better but they did it at college so im not to sure if it is the case wot should i do and can i use that cpu cooler

Stuartbe 07-03-2004 11:27

Re: AMD2400+ cpu temp
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by iain_herts
No just a plain amdxp 2400+ and im not to sure about the compund i built the pc at college and we had some problems with the mobo first 1 i blowed up and the seconed they change it for a new make and modle which i am glad they did its alot better but they did it at college so im not to sure if it is the case wot should i do and can i use that cpu cooler

There is no problem with using a more powerfull cooler. I allways overrate the coolers when I build a system. It could be that the compound was damaged during the moving of the cooler.

There is cirtainly no harm in buying the larger cooler. It will allso future proof you if you ever upgrade the chip.

iain_herts 07-03-2004 11:30

Re: AMD2400+ cpu temp
 
thank you very much about the info i was just comfirming i did 2 years ict but that was 1 year ago now how do i go about removeing the old compund and putting new 1 on thanks

Bifta 07-03-2004 11:33

Re: AMD2400+ cpu temp
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by iain_herts
thank you very much about the info i was just comfirming i did 2 years ict but that was 1 year ago now how do i go about removeing the old compund and putting new 1 on thanks

That temp. is absolutely fine, I had a machine with a 2400+ in running at just under 50oC for ages (until I upgraded).

Stuartbe 07-03-2004 11:34

Re: AMD2400+ cpu temp
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by iain_herts
thank you very much about the info i was just comfirming i did 2 years ict but that was 1 year ago now how do i go about removeing the old compund and putting new 1 on thanks

If you are just going to replace the compound :-

Get some cotton wool buds and isoprpile alcahol (you can get these from maplin) take off the chip and the cooler carefully and make sure you wear an antistatic wrist strap. Using the IPA clean of the compound from both the cooler and from the die in the centre of the cpu. Dont forget to clean the edges of the die. Place a small blob of compound (about a pin head) of compound on the centre of the raised die on the chip. Then replace the cooler.

Do not put too much compound on. To much compound can be worse than none at all.

There are lots of good compounds around. I like arctic silver myself.

HTH

Bifta 07-03-2004 11:36

Re: AMD2400+ cpu temp
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by stuartbe
Is it a barton athlon ?

Have a look at this page - http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/...4_3748,00.html

Find the version of your chip and look up the temp. It does sound a bit hot to me !

The 2400 is thoroughbred, Bartons don't start until 2500.

Bifta 07-03-2004 11:37

Re: AMD2400+ cpu temp
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by stuartbe
If you are just going to replace the compound :-

Get some cotton wool buds and isoprpile alcahol (you can get these from maplin) take off the chip and the cooler carefully and make sure you wear an antistatic wrist strap. Using the IPA clean of the compound from both the cooler and from the die in the centre of the cpu. Dont forget to clean the edges of the die. Place a small blob of compound (about a pin head) of compound on the centre of the raised die on the chip. Then replace the cooler.

Do not put too much compound on. To much compound can be worse than none at all.

There are lots of good compounds around. I like arctic silver myself.

HTH

You need more than pin head size! The point of heatsink compound is to even out the imperfections in the machining of the heatsink/CPU die, generally a pea sized amount does the trick.

(as for antistatic straps, it's doubtful that most people own them, so earthing yourself on the case chassis is just as effective, i.e. hold it with your spare hand)

Stuartbe 07-03-2004 11:38

Re: AMD2400+ cpu temp
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bifta
The 2400 is thoroughbred, Bartons don't start until 2500.

Normaly no... There were a batch of OEM cpu's at that speed with the barton chip...

The only reason I recomended changing the compound or cooler is that the chip temp has gone up since the board change. Could be that its on a faster chipset I supose !

Bifta 07-03-2004 11:40

Re: AMD2400+ cpu temp
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by stuartbe
Normaly no... There were a batch of OEM cpu's at that speed with the barton chip...

Can you provide more details? I've only ever seen thoroughbred 2400's which would actually indicate "normally yes".

Quote:

The only reason I recomended changing the compound or cooler is that the chip temp has gone up since the board change. Could be that its on a faster chipset I supose !
It's still running at a perfectly reasonable temp. no point spending more money when there's no need to.

Stuartbe 07-03-2004 11:40

Re: AMD2400+ cpu temp
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bifta
You need more than pin head size! The point of heatsink compound is to even out the imperfections in the machining of the heatsink/CPU die, generally a pea sized amount does the trick.

(as for antistatic straps, it's doubtful that most people own them, so earthing yourself on the case chassis is just as effective, i.e. hold it with your spare hand)

If it leaks over the side of the die it can cause problems m8..... It would have to be a small pea :)

The air gap around the die can have air temperatures that are very very high. This can dry the compound and actualy insulate the die from the heat sync.... I have seen this happen thousands of times.

Bifta 07-03-2004 11:43

Re: AMD2400+ cpu temp
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by stuartbe
If it leaks over the side of the die it can cause problems m8..... It would have to be a small pea :)

The air gap around the die can have air temperatures that are very very high. This can dry the compound and actualy insulate the die from the heat sync.... I have seen this happen thousands of times.

Yes I'm sure you have (slightly exaggerated that is), just about every article I've ever read in magazines, online .. anywhere, have recommended a pea sized amount of HSC.

Bifta 07-03-2004 11:45

Re: AMD2400+ cpu temp
 
But I digress, what about these "Barton 2400's"? (And don't even think about offering up information on Mobile processors) :D

iain_herts 07-03-2004 11:45

Re: AMD2400+ cpu temp
 
thanks all i will have a go later or 2morrow

Stuartbe 07-03-2004 11:47

Re: AMD2400+ cpu temp
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bifta
Yes I'm sure you have (slightly exaggerated that is), just about every article I've ever read in magazines, online .. anywhere, have recommended a pea sized amount of HSC.

I used to work for a pc building/sales company as QA manager. We used to have 2/3 pc's a week that had this problem. I worked there for 4 years so that would be about right :) Still its up to iain_herts what he wants to do...

Personaly I dont see any harm in overrating the cooler. After all the cooler you can run the chip the better it will perform...

Oh and iain_herts make sure that if you just hold the case and dont use a strap that you leave the power cable plugged into the psu with the mains off at the plug. That way you will have a good earth and reduce the risk of ESD damage.

Stuartbe 07-03-2004 11:48

Re: AMD2400+ cpu temp
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bifta
But I digress, what about these "Barton 2400's"? (And don't even think about offering up information on Mobile processors) :D

The 2400's were a small batch that AMD only delivered to OEM's we had loads of problems with them getting to hot on via chipsets.

Bifta 07-03-2004 11:52

Re: AMD2400+ cpu temp
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by stuartbe
The 2400's were a small batch that AMD only delivered to OEM's we had loads of problems with them getting to hot on via chipsets.

Are you sure?

iain_herts 07-03-2004 11:57

Re: AMD2400+ cpu temp
 
the i have is a oem and i have the kit anyway pc tools riststrap so thats not a prop but the cooler is for Application for AMD 3200+ and higher is that ok with a 2400+ i think it would be

SMHarman 07-03-2004 12:21

Re: AMD2400+ cpu temp
 
Asus probe on my AMD 2400 indicates

CPU 44
MB 32
Fan 5500

Looks fine to me

ZrByte 07-03-2004 13:06

Re: AMD2400+ cpu temp
 
My machine is really letting me down these days. once upon a time mine would run full load @ 40C while all my friends would run around about 50C idle, it was a good time :D.
A couple of months ago I took off my heatsink to fit a 'better' one. im currently using the stock retail AMD heatsink and have been ever since installing this cpu, when it came to clipping the new HS I found that the clip was broken and as such it wasnt seccure so I decided to reattatch My old HS, only problem was I was all out of thermal compound, I tried my best to smooth out what was left of the compound but clearly there must have been airbubbles as my CPU now Idles at 48C - 49C (dont know full load, only just reinstalled my mobo monitor a few mins ago ;) )

paulyoung666 07-03-2004 13:09

Re: AMD2400+ cpu temp
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ZrByte
My machine is really letting me down these days. once upon a time mine would run full load @ 40C while all my friends would run around about 50C idle, it was a good time :D.
A couple of months ago I took off my heatsink to fit a 'better' one. im currently using the stock retail AMD heatsink and have been ever since installing this cpu, when it came to clipping the new HS I found that the clip was broken and as such it wasnt seccure so I decided to reattatch My old HS, only problem was I was all out of thermal compound, I tried my best to smooth out what was left of the compound but clearly there must have been airbubbles as my CPU now Idles at 48C - 49C (dont know full load, only just reinstalled my mobo monitor a few mins ago ;) )



might be best to invest in a fire extinguisher as well :Yikes:

Ramrod 08-03-2004 00:05

Re: AMD2400+ cpu temp
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SMHarman
Asus probe on my AMD 2400 indicates

CPU 44
MB 32
Fan 5500

Looks fine to me

Me too, mines at 47(cpu) and 33(mobo) degs.
In the summer it went up to 65 degs. Gets up to 57 degs when gaming.
(I've got the 2400xp as well (oc'd to 2600))

bopdude 08-03-2004 02:56

Re: AMD2400+ cpu temp
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by stuartbe
Oh and iain_herts make sure that if you just hold the case and dont use a strap that you leave the power cable plugged into the psu with the mains off at the plug. That way you will have a good earth and reduce the risk of ESD damage.

:Yikes: Yes I would agree "IF" you are sure about your mains polarity. I have seen mains boards wired reverse polarity at the suppliers end, ( this would mean a permanant live and a switched neutral at the end of any cable ) not saying this is common but with anything concerning electricty, BE SAFE RATHER THAN SORRY. If you are not sure then don't do it,

Can't see it
Can't hear it
Can't smell it
Can't taste it
( Normaly ) :)
But boy it packs a punch

ZrByte 08-03-2004 04:05

Re: AMD2400+ cpu temp
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by paulyoung666
might be best to invest in a fire extinguisher as well :Yikes:

Your telling me. Its actually quite annoying though, ive given away 2 retail AMD fans, countless aplications of my thermal compound and one massive HS& Fan wich wieghed a ton and had an 80mm fan attatched to the top, now I could do with any one of those back and wouldnt you know the same friends I helped out by giving these things to dont wanna know when I need a favour :dozey: Typical.

Its not like I want any of the stuff back, Just a little Dab of thermal Compound would do.... Gonna go down my local PC shop tomorrow and use my few remaining pennies to buy some, Im skint now until payday (2 weeks away :yikes: ) saving up for Driving lessons & Riding lessons.

Dave Stones 08-03-2004 08:02

Re: AMD2400+ cpu temp
 
that temperature is shockinigly low for me... my p4 idles at 65C and under load it does to 75... :erm::erm:

Nutty 08-03-2004 09:38

Re: AMD2400+ cpu temp
 
Read arctic silvers own instructions...

http://www.arcticsilver.com/arctic_s...structions.htm

You should spread it out over the die, before putting the heatsink on.

I've got a Barton 2500.. with the stock retail HSF, it would idle mid 40's and under load mid 50's.. sometimes over 60 if the missus had the heating turned right up..

I bought a Thermaltake Silent Boost cooler (the Athlon one, theres 2, one for athlons, one for AMd64's). Now I have it overclocked to 3200+ (2.2ghz), and it max's out at 50 under load. Sometimes alot lower depending on house temperature..

Dave Stones 08-03-2004 12:05

Re: AMD2400+ cpu temp
 
just bouncing along from my previous thread... ive just dismantled my laptop, cleaned out 5 decades worth of dust from the heatsink/heatpipe thingy and my cpu is now at 37C, and hdd at 38C. ambient room is 20C.

hurrah!

only problem is i dont have a hand warmer anymore :(. oh, and the thermal paste connecting the heatpipe to the processor block has dried and gone crusty... is that a bad thing?

Nutty 08-03-2004 21:05

Re: AMD2400+ cpu temp
 
Quote:

the thermal paste connecting the heatpipe to the processor block has dried and gone crusty... is that a bad thing?
Yep.. What kind was it? One of those pink thermal pads? Get some Artic Silver.. the little tubes they come in last years.

Avatar 08-03-2004 22:57

Re: AMD2400+ cpu temp
 
i run my Barton 2800@2.2ghz and under load only produce 46C with the fan at about 3800rpm oO if i turn it to max i get about 43C out of it but it sounds like ive got a TVR sat under the desk :/

the best system ive built was my old Dual PIII 550 running at 32C under load with 10delta 80mm fans and two stock HS fans :D....could only turn them all on to showboat though due to noise polution :/

snuffs99 08-03-2004 22:59

Re: AMD2400+ cpu temp
 
AMD chips are prety much guaranteed to 85-90C so i wouldn't give it a second thought.

ZrByte 08-03-2004 23:11

Re: AMD2400+ cpu temp
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by snuffs99
AMD chips are prety much guaranteed to 85-90C so i wouldn't give it a second thought.

Stability becomes an issue when you excede 50C (Depends on the quality of your chip thogh I think, since mines running stable at 50C right now), you also significantly reduce the lifespan of you chip by running it above 50C. Not that big a problem considdering how often people upgrade CPUs but if you (Like I do) want your CPU to last longer than about 1 1/2 years its a good idea to get some decent cooling going in you case.

Also on a side note, I have never known an AMD chip to make it past POST into windows running above 65C (So I think that 85C - 90C thing is a bit of a lie on AMDs part).

Jon T 08-03-2004 23:20

Re: AMD2400+ cpu temp
 
My Athon XP2400 runs at about 20 degrees idle, and about 35 degrees under full load.

The CPU cooler is an aero7+, m'board is a Abit NF7-S and the case is a Casetek 1018BLM(with two intake fans at the front, and two exhaust fans at the back)

BTW, the aero7+ is runnning no where near full speed, got it set to just over a 1500RPM.

Jon

SMHarman 08-03-2004 23:36

Re: AMD2400+ cpu temp
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jon T
My Athon XP2400 runs at about 20 degrees idle, and about 35 degrees under full load.

The CPU cooler is an aero7+, m'board is a Abit NF7-S and the case is a Casetek 1018BLM(with two intake fans at the front, and two exhaust fans at the back)

BTW, the aero7+ is runnning no where near full speed, got it set to just over a 1500RPM.

Jon

Now your just showing off :cool:

Ramrod 08-03-2004 23:44

Re: AMD2400+ cpu temp
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jon T
My Athon XP2400 runs at about 20 degrees idle, and about 35 degrees under full load.

The CPU cooler is an aero7+, m'board is a Abit NF7-S and the case is a Casetek 1018BLM(with two intake fans at the front, and two exhaust fans at the back)

BTW, the aero7+ is runnning no where near full speed, got it set to just over a 1500RPM.

Jon

20 degs?! My house isn't that cool :D
...is it sitting outside in the garden? :D

ZrByte 08-03-2004 23:51

Re: AMD2400+ cpu temp
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SMHarman
Now your just showing off :cool:

It seems more likeley that his thermal sensor isnt reccording the temperature properly, Im pretty sure its not possible to get temps hes talking about with Air cooling.

Kudos to You if its accurate though Jon T :cool:

Jon T 09-03-2004 07:53

Re: AMD2400+ cpu temp
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ZrByte
It seems more likeley that his thermal sensor isnt reccording the temperature properly, Im pretty sure its not possible to get temps hes talking about with Air cooling.

Kudos to You if its accurate though Jon T :cool:

Now that is a distinct possibility, when I installed the the m'board, cpu, and heatsing/fan, I had to bend the thermal sensor at the center of the cpu socket, it was sticking straight up and I couldn't get the CPU in the socket, howeever I didn't bend it down completely, and installing the CPU still required a slight downward force as it came into contact with the thermal sensor. So the CPU thermal sensor is touching the bottom of the CPU.

When I was rinning my old m'board, a Abit KR7-133, same CPU but with a Volcano 9 on it, the temperatur was around 26-37 depending on the load on it.

I'm not showing off that much, but I have got an Aerogate 2 fan controller/temperature monitor to install!!

#Jon


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