Manchester proxy
 

When did the buggers re-install the Manchester proxies?

Netools shows I am now on cache4-bagu.server.ntli.net

No wonder I have probs getting to some of my fave sites :naughty:

Re: Manchester proxy
 

noticed that i've got my proxy back tto :(

Re: Manchester proxy
 

Last few days I think but I havent seen any problems so lets see what happens.

Re: Manchester proxy
 

I noticed about a week ago that browsing was strangely slow, and looked and there were the proxies again - They appear to be different hardware this time, and lets hope that they can cope with the demand better

Re: Manchester proxy
 

Shucks - I hadn't noticed they were back.
Let's hope it stays that way :)

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Not proxied here yet

Re: Manchester proxy
 

Already had problems the other morning was able to use MIRC, MSN ICQ or anything through the internet aslong as I didn't try to surf webpages none would load. They was working again a little later in the day. Lets hope it was just a hiccup and not the proxies showing they are not reliable.

Re: Manchester proxy
 

Dont tempt fate MAL:D
As said before if you have problems call your local franchise director

Re: Manchester proxy
 

I did post a link to some *free proxys* you could use on the NTL service a few weeks back (before i formatted my hard drive to re-install xp pro) unfortunatly i cant find the post to re-post the link again as the link is handy favourite to keep if you have any NTL proxy problems.

Re: Manchester proxy
 

Im on a Proxy again (bastids) and its really annoying, some of my regular WWW haunts now do not work properly WHY!?!?!?!

Re: Manchester proxy
 

thats a good idea but these proxies are supposed to be bomb proof design according to some of our NTL friends:D

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I found the free proxy link 8o)

I think good information & links should be kept for future reference instead of getting burried.

Re: Manchester proxy
 

Still proxy free here, :) for the moment:(

Re: Manchester proxy
 

The proxies have been back up for a while now (at least a month), well for us down in Stoke anyway (cache4-bagu...) keep having to change proxies away from the default every now and again as browsing goes to a crawl.

WTF? Proxies are back in Manchester!!!!
 

I went to a site i wanted to download something from. They only allow a certain number of downloads per IP (for obvious reasons) per day.

And it said: Sorry 62.252.192.4! Only 10 downloads per day!

Please visit us tomorrow.

WTF? That isnt my IP. So, I make sure I have no proxy set in IE. I don't.

I then said...OH NO, surely ntl havent turned default proxies on in Manchester (war coming up, i see it now)....

The proof of the pudding came when i checked a proxy lookup.

Oh no....

Re: WTF? Proxies are back in Manchester!!!!
 

Change to a different proxy - http://forum.nthellworld.co.uk/showthread.php?t=8783

They propobly only had the proxy servers off to work on them !

Re: WTF? Proxies are back in Manchester!!!!
 

I dont intend to have to change my proxy every few hours. That is no good for me. The point im making is that why havent we even been asked, or at least notified. Same old ntl. Action before plan.

So what now, slow browsing (again), banned from some sites unless i keeping changing proxy...

heck, cant even get to www.microsoft.com now I'm being proxied.

Re: WTF? Proxies are back in Manchester!!!!
 

Can anyone else in Manchester get to www.microsoft.com ?

Re: WTF? Proxies are back in Manchester!!!!
 

Yep, loads fine here badnbusy.

Re: WTF? Proxies are back in Manchester!!!!
 

yeah no problem with that site here :shrug:

Re: WTF? Proxies are back in Manchester!!!!
 

Thats weird then...Still cant get there

Re: WTF? Proxies are back in Manchester!!!!
 

The microsoft site is running slowly atm - I have tested it from non NTL connections. I can't access from my default proxy on NTL either.

Re: WTF? Proxies are back in Manchester!!!!
 

I pointed this out earlier
http://forum.nthellworld.co.uk/showt...930#post149930

wondered how long before we started having problems again. :mad:

Re: WTF? Proxies are back in Manchester!!!!
 

I can access the site no problems from Manchester

Re: WTF? Proxies are back in Manchester!!!!
 

try this adress and it should be displaying an ip but is showing a proxy address :confused: http://www.whatismyip.com/

Re: WTF? Proxies are back in Manchester!!!!
 

:cry: :cry: I'm proxied now :cry: :cry:

Re: WTF? Proxies are back in Manchester!!!!
 

I can't either

Re: WTF? Proxies are back in Manchester!!!!
 

we all seeem to be showing the proxy IP with those online ones but a script I use in MIRC shows my correct IP address.

Re: WTF? Proxies are back in Manchester!!!!
 

You can test with this > http://romulas.zmnt.co.uk/forum/vars.asp

Re: WTF? Proxies are back in Manchester!!!!
 

REMOTE_ADDR 62.252.192.12 CLIENT_IP HTTP_X_FORWARDED_FOR XX.X.XXX.XX

Proxied :@

Damn NTL, why cant they leave the proxy off - it causes more trouble than its worth...

[Admin Edit(Mick):- Real IP Address Removed.]

Re: WTF? Proxies are back in Manchester!!!!
 

Leicester proxies were turned on when they did that major maintenance 2 weeks ago, before then they were turned off since I signed upto ntl and that was last august in 2003.

Since they been turned on I have suffered drasticly reduced http performance.

kitty proxies only affect http web pages, they not used for other applications like mirc.

Re: [Merged] Manchester Proxies.
 

Thank you.

Your complaint has been registered under ref ONXXXXX.

Once we have investigated your issue, we will contact you in order to gain a resolution and bring the matter to a close.


As you can see I registered a complaint, I also rang up 2 days ago threatening to not pay, so far they only offered to look into it.

Re: [Merged] Manchester Proxies.
 

What's a new style proxy?

Re: [Merged] Manchester Proxies.
 

The ones that take 1.5 mintes to load if someone from NTL can read this cache 10 is playing up.

:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

[Admin Edit] (Neil)-Innappropriate comment removed. :nono:


Suggest everyone get onto customer services in the NW ask for Alan Grant

Re: [Merged] Manchester Proxies.
 

And the reason that you continue to be an ntl customer is.......? :erm:

Re: [Merged] Manchester Proxies.
 

geezz im proxied as well!!! it aint half cockin up my dynamic dns!!! :(

Re: [Merged] Manchester Proxies.
 

Looks like the gangs all gathering again.

[Another Admin Edit (Neil)-please stop provoking other members Th'eng. :nono: :

Re: [Merged] Manchester Proxies.
 

Not noticed any problems ATM, going through cache 10 as well.

Re: [Merged] Manchester Proxies.
 

lol been a bit quiet on the forum front recently but im comin back with avengance l:D :D :D

Re: [Merged] Manchester Proxies.
 

surprised im on winnerish proxy cache 10 was playing up

Re: [Merged] Manchester Proxies.
 

I did wonder if something was up, I'd get about 3k of a webpage loading and it'd freeze, I just put in a proxy in Cambridge instead and it's been fine since, I don't mind swapping proxies as long as I have a connection.

To all those whining like little girls about this, why not do something about it yourselves, instead of waiting for NTL to resolve it, we've had proxy issues before in a lot of areas, just switch to another one, it's that easy!

:rolleyes:

Re: [Merged] Manchester Proxies.
 

Don't switch to another one, it masks the real problem and upsets our load calculations.

th'eng - how do you know you were going through cache10? Just testing how much people know of how caches work. I'm perfectly willing to admit there's a problem if I see some evidence.

Re: WTF? Proxies are back in Manchester!!!!
 

I know
I was showing another way for someone to get you IP number as the webpage that many use to check their IP numbers only shows the proxy number.

Re: [Merged] Manchester Proxies.
 

I am on cache1-mant.server.ntli.net and have found pages slow loading and I was trying to register a domain name with 123-reg and gave up as it never finished checking if it was available.

I have to say things have slowed down since proxies was put back on. I can get around the websites just they are slow and since the proxies I can't access the BB+ it apears my 3 months free are now up early as it never opens the page for me to look or listen to anything. I cannot reregister as when you click to use it now nothing happens..

:(

Re: [Merged] Manchester Proxies.
 

How do you know?

Also, I hope anyone having problems is calling in to report them. As usual I look a fool when I tell people unofficially that I think there are issues and then can't back it up.

Re: [Merged] Manchester Proxies.
 

checked on all net tools BBK

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'cos we use things like THIS that tell us the proxy. :D

Re: [Merged] Manchester Proxies.
 

Robin walker link gives you the ip and cache. http://www.all-nettools.com/pr.htm

Re: [Merged] Manchester Proxies.
 

Thats what i use

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ntl are hard to understand, their aup is designed just for web browsing, then they turn on proxies that remove the advantage of having a faster connection in the first place.

Re: [Merged] Manchester Proxies.
 

It's alright saying don't switch to another one but we do want to actually connect to sites at times. I would sooner have your load calculations upset and be able to use my connection rather than you having accurate load calculations and me having no access to most of the sites I want to go to.

Re: [Merged] Manchester Proxies.
 

Except that by switching en masse you're merely transferring the problem. I don't particularly want to get into an argument about it, apart from anything else I'm beginning to think there might be a problem here, but it won't get fixed except by people biting the bullet and ringing up about it.

Oh, and that link doesn't show you which proxy you're on, it merely shows the proxy caching content from the IP address of that particular web server. Different thing entirely. You're on a set of proxies, not a single one, it's important to remember that when it comes to diagnosing problems*

*apart from anything else, if you can see that page it indicates that there *isn't* a problem with the cache it thinks you are on, as you have been served a page by it, thus giving the opposite diagnosis to what's really happening.

Re: [Merged] Manchester Proxies.
 

Having read this thread I am also suffering a similar problem here is Surrey. I am/was on "cache1-herm.server.ntli.net". When I sent a document via IE to the Open Uni it couldn't be opened, but when I sent it via mail it was fine. I have changed the proxie all is fine.
I do agree with BB King that changing masks the problem, but I needed to resolve my problem pronto or I lose marks

Re: [Merged] Manchester Proxies.
 

NTL will never learn they will just end up losing customers in the north west as BBK says phone up complain see here for Alan Grant in the NW

Re: [Merged] Manchester Proxies.
 

I'm in the South mate. I will be phoning Crawley Court NMC and DTOC Langley (IP Sur) in the morning. Its ****e TBH, this happened last year and no one wanted to know!.

Re: [Merged] Manchester Proxies.
 

I can honestly say that I have noticed no difference at all, just tried BB+ ( forgot I had 3 months free) and it seems faster than when I signed up last month.

Re: [Merged] Manchester Proxies.
 

I have a theory that in the NW people have more than one PC connected therefore the proxies need to handle up to three times the normal load.

Thats why they fall over as they are only speced to handle assumed load not x3

Re: [Merged] Manchester Proxies.
 

They would have three times the load if they were all being used simultaneously. Mind you it's a good point, the average BB equipped household these days will have >1 PC, although possibly not much greater.
No you aren't, as explained earlier. The sooner people grasp that they aren't 'on' a particular proxy the better. You're on Hersham proxies. Thanks for the report though.

Ringing DTOC will just annoy them, partly because they aren't customer facing but mainly because they're the wrong people - they look after proxies for STB interactive, but have nothing to do with broadband apart from STB registration and provisioning. NMC do look after them though, but aren't customer facing either.

Re: [Merged] Manchester Proxies.
 

Yeah, I love annoying them!!. I'm not only a customer but also a network engineer, and its bloody hard for me to get them off their fat a***s to do any thing!!....but here goes

Re: [Merged] Manchester Proxies.
 

AHEM can anybody retrieve their msn hotmail thru msn messenger and btw im on cache 10 in Lovely Bolton :pp

Re: [Merged] Manchester Proxies.
 

Yes it's the port 80 traffic redirectors (e.g. Cisco WCCP routers or Layer 4 switches) which dynamically assign which cache that you're going through for any particular request.
They can redirect the request based on various things such as cache load, requested URL or source ip. The requested URL is a useful consideration so that content doesn't get duplicated across caches.
So that's why if you are having problems then ntl will prolly require at least your ip and destination URL (and region) if they are to know which cache you are likely to be going through.
Of course if you manually specify a proxy then it is fixed and you bypass all that mechanism.

Re: [Merged] Manchester Proxies.
 

well its not fixed because you still using a proxy, I want to make one thing clear here I do NOT want to be using a proxy to access web pages, it was working fine for months so I can see no good reason why ntl need me to be using proxies now.

Re: [Merged] Manchester Proxies.
 

BTW are they working tonight or should i stay on the winnerish proxy

Re: [Merged] Manchester Proxies.
 

Seems OK here ATM., Th'eng :)

Re: [Merged] Manchester Proxies.
 

Still think we have more users up here they switch em on they fall over in the first few days .
Wheres justanothernoob to explain why, he ranted about how good they are.

[Admin Edit(Mick):- Personal comments removed-Please lets not inflame the situation.]

Re: [Merged] Manchester Proxies.
 

I wondered why n00b had stopped talking to you, eng. Useful chap to annoy into silence, wasn't he?

As I've said before, Manchester's been split in two since the last proxy f-up, and there are six more caches in your half than there were in the whole area the last time. Are the problems as bad as they were then (when I fully accept they were chronic).

AAArrgh. Stop it.

Re: [Merged] Manchester Proxies.
 

Then if you think we all come out with BS then dont bother phoning me when you have a problem again phone 151 like everyone else. i dont want you to come on here and say i or any other ntl person gave you a load of bull****. And yes i did take offence to that comment that ntl is BS.

If this is the way this site is going allowing members who want to help be called BS'S then please remove my member ship forwith i dont want to be involved with it.

Re: [Merged] Manchester Proxies.
 

Where did he say your name? I would assume he meant ntl, the company BS, not individual ntl employees.

Re: [Merged] Manchester Proxies.
 

Look he may not have given my name but its the way it is said that he cannot take the word of another engineer so thats it for me please remove my login and all details i will not be logging in here again.

Re: [Merged] Manchester Proxies.
 

So one person does not agree with everything an engineer says and you take the hump? You can just choose to ignore him and carry on and do what you do best and help people that do appreciate it. Reconsider? :)

Re: [Merged] Manchester Proxies.
 

With comments like this it's no wonder he and all the other NTL people have left here, or are leaving fast. I hope you are proud of the fact that you manage to drive such helpful people away from the site - I'm sure all the other users with Network/UBR/etc problems that are no longer looked into are really grateful. :mad:

Re: [Merged] Manchester Proxies.
 

I think its sad that NTL people leave and Pem does have a point.......

NTL bods.... I can see why you get fed up with the moaning... You have to remember that the people who come to site usualy have a problem and have been p$ssed of by NTL. I am sure that the moaning is not aimed at you personaly...

Cant we all be freinds ? Life is to short to scrap like schoolboys IMO......

Bill C..... I can asure you that 99% of the memberts here are truly greatfull for your help and asistance.

Justanothernoob.... Come back m8 :)

Orangebird... Thanks for all the help you have given..

To the other NTL bods.... Thankyou from me at least - I hope you decide to stay !


For gods sake - why cant we all help each other ?????????????????



Stop the NTL staff bashing NOW !!!!!..... Yes NTL are naff.. I know I have experienced it first hand but the customer service culture is the management's fault not the staff !!!!

Lets stop this NOW before we loose all the helpfull NTL guys and girls !!!

P L E A S E ! ! ! !

Re: [Merged] Manchester Proxies.
 

The "fixed" to which I was referring was the fact that you would be using one cache exclusively if you define it manually. That means that your traffic isn't load-balanced optimally (for either you or ntl) across the cache farm or protected against a cache being unavailable.
Of course that's of little interest to you if you are having problems ;) . All I can suggest is that you continue to log any issues with ntl with as much detail as possible.

I'm guessing that is basis of your objection to using proxies - the flipside of course being that they usually allow ISPs to scale internet services whilst minimising costs.:)

Re: [Merged] Manchester Proxies.
 

I'm thicker skinned than most, besides I enjoy more than just the ntl based forums. So I'll be staying.

Bill C is often rung up by th'eng and has bent over backwards to help (he's a *very* conscientious chap) even when there turns out not to have been a serious problem. Thus you can see why he would see eng's comments as being a slap in the face, and I can understand his attitude.

However, I think th'eng actually had one of his grammar free moments and it's difficult to be certain what he was saying (that n00b was BSing, that ntl always BS you, that ntl posters on nthw BS you? I'm not certain I can be sure *what* he meant, to be honest).

Incidentally, I've met (not in person) both Bill and n00b through this forum and its predecessor. I met Peter M in person after getting to know him online too, IIRC.

Re: [Merged] Manchester Proxies.
 

I can understand your point m8....

I am glad you are going to stay... You are most welcome.... I will have to msn justanothernoob and ask him of he will come back... Its a sad loss.

This site needs you guys !!!

Forum members - dont forget that these guys are risking getting in trouble with there managers - I am sure mr (I dont give a t0ss about my customers) husian would not like them being here...

Lets support them.. thats what I say... And I am no NTL lover I can tell you !!!!

Re: [Merged] Manchester Proxies.
 

I am fed up of all this bickering like most customers want it working, not falling over.

It was not meant to be a dig at Bill C or BBKing who i have great respect for, its aimed at certain forum members who jump in on threads critising customers about proxies and other things implying NTL are perfect .

I would have thought the reference to only one particular person in the thread would have explained that.

We all have to act like adults both customers and Engineers and sort out the problems not bicker between ourselves.

Re: [Merged] Manchester Proxies.
 

I agree - there service is carp and they dont give a hoot about there customers - BUT we must be carefull not to take it out on the NTL forum members... Its not there fault after all - they have a loyalty to the compant they work for and that is a good thing IMHO. It makes them want to help more...

Perhaps its time for the mod team to set up a petition that we could send to the management !!!

Re: [Merged] Manchester Proxies.
 

Great improvement these proxies:rolleyes:
Traceroute www.ntlworld.com (62.253.162.30) HopIP AddressHostnameAverage RTT11192.168.1.8baal.pair.net0.37 ms2144.232.248.125sl-gw9-rly-6-0.sprintlink.net5.90 ms3144.232.14.37sl-bb23-rly-3-0.sprintlink.net6.21 ms4144.232.14.133sl-bb21-rly-9-0.sprintlink.net6.22 ms5144.232.20.123sl-bb20-tuk-0-0.sprintlink.net12.45 ms6144.232.20.133sl-bb21-tuk-15-0.sprintlink.net12.57 ms7144.232.19.70sl-bb21-lon-14-0.sprintlink.net81.75 ms8213.206.128.59sl-gw11-lon-15-0.sprintlink.net80.20 ms9213.206.159.246sle-ntl-2-0.sprintlink.net90.72 ms1062.253.185.138win-bb-a-so-300-0.inet.ntl.com94.18 ms1162.253.187.222win-dc-a-v902.inet.ntl.com98.62 ms12Time-out13Time-out14Time-out15Destination host unreachable

Re: [Merged] Manchester Proxies.
 

Eng - repeat two hundred times - I Must Not Confuse ICMP Echo Packets With TCP Packets On Port 80.

Then repeat two thousand times - Not All Hosts On The Internet Implement RFC 1122 Correctly.

Re: [Merged] Manchester Proxies.
 

Well i picked a right week to give up smoking so yes i am a bit touchy at the moment, But you started the bickering by having a go at someone that is trying to help 10 out of 10 on the good moves table if you ask me.

lets give the poeple that control the systems the chance to check them and fix them if it needs that but having a go at those poeple will not help.

Just my feelings on the subject :)

Re: [Merged] Manchester Proxies.
 

It's not so much that, it's that recent virus outbreaks e.g. the W32.Welchia.Worm, have used ICMP to check for potential hosts to infect, and because of the increased traffic many web hosters and service providers have either turned off ICMP or else drop the packets at any hint of any Denial of Service attacks.
Therefore traceroute and ping are just not reliable indicators of network connectivity.
So there's no substitute for looking at network traces to see exactly what's going on.
Some free tools are www.ethereal.com or its relation http://www.networkchemistry.com/products/packetyzer/

Re: [Merged] Manchester Proxies.
 

any comments made by me are aimed at ntl as a company and I appreciate ntl staff been here helping out users.

thought I would just say that.

Re: [Merged] Manchester Proxies.
 

All my servers block ICMP unless it comes from specific IP's (which obviously belong to support staff). So we can ping them and trace to them, but joe public cannot. This is not uncommon these days.

Most people tend to confuse pings and tracerts with web traffic (and tcp/udp traffic in general) - I would love a pound for everyone who posts a tracert when they are having http/https problems. It is an easy mistake to make (the same problem happens with gamers, who post ICMP pings when their games use UDP or TCP). :)

Re: [Merged] Manchester Proxies.
 

Its allright Me and Bill are still speaking.

Re: [Merged] Manchester Proxies.
 

hmm I had problems downloading a small file from a site, the file changes every few hours and it turned out because this proxy wasnt keeping it up to date, will ring up ntl again later as they have yet to get back to me on either of my complaints and my billing date is tommorow.

Re: [Merged] Manchester Proxies.
 

the site in question is to do with firefox, it is a development site for firefox extensions and new extensions get uploaded daily sometimes every few hours and this proxy is causing me all sorts of problems at the moment :(

I am wondering if its possible to setup a a straight pass thru proxy on a linux box that doesnt actually cache page, but allowing me to bypass ntl's proxies, you think this is possible?


come across this

http://www.squid-cache.org/

only problem is I will be setting it up on a us box, wether this makes things faster and better for me than ntl's local server's I dont know.

Re: [Merged] Manchester Proxies.
 

I think this has been covered elsewhere in this forum, but the short answer is no, you cannot bypass the upstream proxies by using your own. This is because your proxy will use port 80 (like any browser) to talk to web sites and so it will get redirected as well.

Regarding your problematic site, is it possible to do Ctrl-Refresh (for IE) as shown in Robin Walker's cablemodem help pages?
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/robin.d...l#refreshstale

Also you could enter your problematic web page into the Cacheability Engine to see if it's actually cacheable.
http://www.web-caching.com/cacheability.html

The HTTP headers that are usually used to gauge content freshness are:
Expires, Cache-Control, Last-Modified

If the headers indicate that the content is old, then it won't get its freshness verified as often as new content.

Re: [Merged] Manchester Proxies.
 

I am not planning on using port 80 for my proxy I am aware port 80 wont bypass but I got the impression that using a different port does bypass ntl.

Re: [Merged] Manchester Proxies.
 

There are two different ports - the http proxy port (which is commonly set to 3128 or 8080) which is used for inbound traffic (from your browser) and the outbound http port (which is used to fetch content from web servers on port 80).
Changing the inbound proxy port won't make any difference to the fact that outbound http traffic on port 80 will get redirected.
You can configure your proxy to use a parent proxy on say port 8080 if you want to bypass the redirection process if that is broken, but you will still be using an upstream proxy.

The only real way to completely bypass proxies is to encapsulate your web traffic via an application web tunneling gateway on the internet somewhere. But that in itself can caus all sorts of performance problems with packet fragmentation etc. and you need a server on the internet.

http://www.htthost.com/ may be one.

Re: [Merged] Manchester Proxies.
 

Couldn't get to microsoft.com earlier, guessing its ntls proxies rather then ms falling over

Turn them off they are crap!

Re: [Merged] Manchester Proxies.
 

grrrrrr

f***in ntl why dont they just turn these proxies off, no users like them and use traffic shaping instead if they that desperate for bandwidth.

Re: [Merged] Manchester Proxies.
 

Have either of you actually reported a fault to TS ?

Re: [Merged] Manchester Proxies.
 

I know that our friends at NTL are looking at this, for some reason they appear to have problems with proxies in the North West.

If you are having problems you also need to let NTL know by phoning Customer Services and telling them the problems.

You need to do this! Anyone in the North West that has problems with proxies get on that phone.

NTL can not do anything if they do not know about the problem remember this site is independant and not owned by NTL

Re: [Merged] Manchester Proxies.
 

because it saves them money!

Re: [Merged] Manchester Proxies.
 

and it allegedly improves the users experience:D

Re: [Merged] Manchester Proxies.
 

traffic shaping achieves the same thing as far as I am aware it should be no more expensive then using these proxies.

Pem well I have rang them up and reported that I want my proxy disabled as it is wrecking my internet experience, but they only said they will pass it on and thats all I got so far.

Re: [Merged] Manchester Proxies.
 

traffic shaping queues traffic intelligently. this will not save external bandwidth which is the whole point of the proxies. internal (core) bandwith is plentiful - hence using proxies

Re: [Merged] Manchester Proxies.
 

that aint gonna happen unless they get loads of ppl calling up about browsing speeds

Re: [Merged] Manchester Proxies.
 

Isn't the idea tho when you maxing out your bandwidth is just to ensure the right things still have good performance, sounds like ntl are deliberatly not utilising all of their external bandwidth, which is different to what I would want them to do to solve the problem, fact is proxies reduce performance and cause problems on frequently updated sites, it can also cause problems where ip addresses are used to allow/dissallow access, ntl shouldnt be forcing these on users without their permission.

Re: [Merged] Manchester Proxies.
 

I'll agree with the above statement about Bill C. He was a great help to myself when I was having problems on .com. Be a shame to see him leave :(