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Stuartbe 05-03-2004 22:26

Is Steve Gibson A Fraud ?
 
What do you think of Steve Gibson. www.grc.com

A good software engineer thats clued up or a spin doctor thats full of BS ?

I have taken apart some of his code and its pretty good. I must admit that he does overdo things a tad... !

Your thoughts please !

dilli-theclaw 05-03-2004 22:30

Re: Is Steve Gibson A Fraud ?
 
I have no idea :( - but I still check my systems security on his site...

Any better recommendations.

Stuartbe 05-03-2004 22:31

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Quote:

Originally Posted by dilligaf1701
I have no idea :( - but I still check my systems security on his site...

Any better recommendations.

I use both grc and dslreports for my scans.... The dsl reports site has a more comprehensive scan but you have to pay for it....

Saying that I have never got conflicting results !

iadom 05-03-2004 22:37

Re: Is Steve Gibson A Fraud ?
 
An alternative view, if somewhat jaundiced, can be found here, it makes interesting reading.



http://grcsucks.com/

Stuartbe 05-03-2004 22:38

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Quote:

Originally Posted by iadom
An alternative view, if somewhat jaundiced, can be found here, it makes interesting reading.



http://grcsucks.com/

Sure does.... Some of the coments on there are a bit unfair IMHO...

Ramrod 05-03-2004 22:43

Re: Is Steve Gibson A Fraud ?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dilligaf1701
I have no idea :( - but I still check my systems security on his site...

Any better recommendations.

I'm with diligaf on this one. I don't know enough about the field to comment technically but I have always found grc to be useful.

danielf 05-03-2004 22:44

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I really can't judge as I lack the relevant knowledge, but I've read both sites in the past. The grcsucks site makes very valid points regarding the amount of spin and writing on the GRC site. On the other hand Steve Gibson must do something right, and seems to at least make people aware of some of the issues in internet security? And he provides a free service, which I believe is quite popular?

iadom 05-03-2004 22:45

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Quote:

Originally Posted by stuartbe
Sure does.... Some of the coments on there are a bit unfair IMHO...

One thing I used to like when I was on dial up was the tiny downloads, due to the code he was using, all his utilities took seconds to download.

Stuart 05-03-2004 23:02

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I've put "Not sure", because, as stuartbe says, he does seem pretty clued up, but he does tend to produce a lot of BS as well.

zoombini 05-03-2004 23:02

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Having used his software in the past & finding it worked exceedingly well aslo using his freeware & site for info I think I'd go for his side of things.
He knows more than me about it all.

Stuartbe 05-03-2004 23:03

Re: Is Steve Gibson A Fraud ?
 
Got to admit - his web pages are nicely coded !

Bifta 05-03-2004 23:37

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Quote:

Originally Posted by stuartbe
Got to admit - his web pages are nicely coded !

No they're not .. the dude clearly doesn't realise what CSS is.

Stuart 05-03-2004 23:37

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Originally Posted by Bifta
No they're not .. the dude clearly doesn't realise what CSS is.

He does write his own webserver though.

Stuartbe 05-03-2004 23:38

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Originally Posted by Bifta
No they're not .. the dude clearly doesn't realise what CSS is.

I think they are simple and nicely laid out.... No un needed code !

I can see your point though !

What do you think to his security testing tools ?

Bifta 05-03-2004 23:39

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Quote:

Originally Posted by scastle
He does write his own webserver though.

The GRC Custom Hybrid NanoProbe Engine? Yeah .. *ahem*

Bifta 05-03-2004 23:40

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Quote:

Originally Posted by stuartbe
I think they are simple and nicely laid out.... No un needed code !

I can see your point though !

What do you think to his security testing tools ?

I'm with attrition.org, one of my favourite site's. I've never used anything from grc.com.

Stuartbe 05-03-2004 23:40

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Bifta
The GRC Custom Hybrid NanoProbe Engine? Yeah .. *ahem*

I take it you dont think a lot of it m8 ? :D

Do you ever use it ?

Stuart 05-03-2004 23:41

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Bifta
The GRC Custom Hybrid NanoProbe Engine? Yeah .. *ahem*

I was being sarky..

Bifta 05-03-2004 23:42

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Quote:

Originally Posted by scastle
I was being sarky..

:erm: Sorry, in which case, we agree

Bifta 05-03-2004 23:43

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Quote:

Originally Posted by stuartbe
I take it you dont think a lot of it m8 ? :D

Do you ever use it ?

Er no, I don't think anyone in the known world apart from Steven Gibson does, most people prefer to use a real web server.

Stuartbe 05-03-2004 23:44

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Originally Posted by Bifta
Er no, I don't think anyone in the known world apart from Steven Gibson does, most people prefer to use a real web server.

Nope - I meant the security tests !

Stuart 05-03-2004 23:46

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Actually, the thing that worries me is the SpinRite program.

Now, totally ignoring the people I know who have lost data to this program, it still worries me. Why? It's a program that works directly on the structure of a disc, yet has been at version 5 since at least 1999. Disc technology has changed quite a bit since 1999.

Bifta 05-03-2004 23:47

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Originally Posted by stuartbe
Nope - I meant the security tests !

No, any security test that thinks a freshly installed copy of Xp running it's own inbuilt XP firewall is leak proof needs disassembling and recycling as a hentai game!

Stuartbe 05-03-2004 23:49

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Quote:

Originally Posted by scastle
Actually, the thing that worries me is the SpinRite program.

Now, totally ignoring the people I know who have lost data to this program, it still worries me. Why? It's a program that works directly on the structure of a disc, yet has been at version 5 since at least 1999. Disc technology has changed quite a bit since 1999.

Thats very true !!!! Did try it once but I was a bit concerned that it needed dos to run and did not use its own OS.

Stuartbe 05-03-2004 23:49

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Originally Posted by Bifta
No, any security test that thinks a freshly installed copy of Xp running it's own inbuilt XP firewall is leak proof needs disassembling and recycling as a hentai game!

I have never used the leak test thingy myself....

What is it suposed to do ?

Alan Waddington 05-03-2004 23:50

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Steve's good at marketing himself, but in my opinion he's full of it.
Here's an example: http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/archive/24189.html

Stuartbe 05-03-2004 23:54

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Alan Waddington
Steve's good at marketing himself, but in my opinion he's full of it.
Here's an example: http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/archive/24189.html

LOL - they dont think much of the system do they :)

Stuart 06-03-2004 00:06

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Did you all realise that Hackers worked out a way to use ShieldsUP! as a hacking tool? http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/archive/23033.html

Bifta 06-03-2004 00:08

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Quote:

Originally Posted by scastle
Did you all realise that Hackers worked out a way to use ShieldsUP! as a hacking tool? http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/archive/23033.html

I read something about some dude using it to scan IP addresses of his choice, of course Gibson being a spacktard did nothing about it ....

Gareth 06-03-2004 00:46

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OK, my 2¢... I believe he is very clued up, but he's also a gob-shÃÃâ€*’ÂÂÂÂ*te. I think he's actually kinda dangerous because he becomes popular with the average PC user as he cleverly uses non-techie language to introduce techie terms. He's loved by certain media (Tech TV for example, but that's kinda a joke anyway) cause he's so opinionated - however check out the radio interview where he was on the same show as the guy from The Register. When he's up against someone who knows their stuff, he becomes an easy target ;)

Oh, and I won't use his tools - even if they are free! ;)

Gareth 06-03-2004 00:50

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Quote:

Originally Posted by scastle
Did you all realise that Hackers worked out a way to use ShieldsUP! as a hacking tool? http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/archive/23033.html

OMG - just read the article about using his tools to do a DoS - all I can say is..... Bwahahahahahaha :D :D :D

abailey152 06-03-2004 01:06

Re: Is Steve Gibson A Fraud ?
 
Some of the stuff on Steve Gibson's site is useful. Some less so, and yes, he's a bit (no, maybe a lot!) paranoid. I think "The Register" has a definite anti-GRC slant, and Steve Gibson is very good spin doctor. I think the truth is somewhere in between.


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